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PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 11:01 pm 
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Earlier this week, Pittsburgh Steelers wide receiver Martavis Bryant posted on Snapchat that he was in New York City and had a “big day” upcoming.

A source told Sporting News Bryant met Thursday with the NFL’s Management Council as part of his efforts for reinstatement from a year-long drug suspension. Among the conditions for being cleared to play again, Bryant was told to assemble a plan detailing safeguards that would help him prevent a relapse upon returning to Pittsburgh, the source said.

Bryant also will have to meet with Commissioner Roger Goodell or one of his representatives once the league’s medical director and medical advisor submit their recommendation about reinstatement per the NFL’s substance-abuse policy. http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/news/ma ... reid8f79r3


Hoping Martavis was going to be reinstated before the draft but it's not looking likely.


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It's absolutely ludicrous that they didn't inform Martavis of the conditions soon enough to allow for this to be resolved before the draft. Disgusting.

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 Post subject: Re: Martavis Bryant
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It's absolutely ludicrous that they didn't inform Martavis of the conditions soon enough to allow for this to be resolved before the draft. Disgusting.


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 Post subject: Re: Martavis Bryant
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You know B2B, who knows if that is the case or not? I have been saying for some time now, that it might not just be an automatic approval after his year was up. Washington's former S Tanard Jackson once had to wait 18 months before he was reinstated.

I just have no optimism with Bryant. His agent, his people in his corner, his support group, they did not make contact with former year long suspended players? They did not seek advice, counsel on what they did to get reinstated? Really? Did they not do that? Do their due diligence and try and anticipate what Bryant might need?

Again, this all somehow comes as a shock with Bryant? And people still blindly believe that this is all a formality and that he will come back and have a monster season with 100 catches, for 1800 yards and 20 TDs?

If Corey Davis is there at pick 30, I take him without a second thought, I don't care what edge rusher is available. If we go LB or CB in round 1 and Chris Godwin is there at pick 62, I take him.

This offense is not going to get it done without a legitimate WR opposite of Brown. Gambling on Bryant's reinstatement and subsequent clean behavior, or Coates hand and fragile ego is a huge mistake.

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 Post subject: Re: Martavis Bryant
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The one thing about Bryant coming back from suspension and realizing his potential is that it is really, really so against the odds. I mean the odds are so ridiculous that the Steelers should spend a high pick on a WR in this draft.

I have looked over the list of suspended players the past 10 years and it is grim. Show me a player who was suspended for 10 games, suspended for an entire season and then had a come to Jesus moment, cleaned up his act and then emerged as a great player. All I see are players that continue the downward spiral, continue to get suspended, get suspended indefinitely, move from team to team, and never live up to their potential.

My outlook on Bryant is that I don't expect anything from him and if he does get reinstated, if he does play well, then great, but it does not stop me from taking a WR high in this year's draft, first or second round.

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 Post subject: Re: Martavis Bryant
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Why didn't Bryant already have a plan together? Seems pretty reasonable to have a plan in place for a guy who failed god knows how many drug tests and been suspended multiple times. If I'd been out for a year and was trying to prove I could stay clean and my professional career depended on it, I would've had a goddamn dossier showing every little detail of what I had done up to now and what I plan to do going forward to stay clean.

Everything the Steelers have done and said this offseason suggest they're not expecting to count on him this season.

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 Post subject: Re: Martavis Bryant
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It's absolutely ludicrous that they didn't inform Martavis of the conditions soon enough to allow for this to be resolved before the draft. Disgusting.


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 Post subject: Re: Martavis Bryant
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The one thing about Bryant coming back from suspension and realizing his potential is that it is really, really so against the odds. I mean the odds are so ridiculous that the Steelers should spend a high pick on a WR in this draft.

I have looked over the list of suspended players the past 10 years and it is grim. Show me a player who was suspended for 10 games, suspended for an entire season and then had a come to Jesus moment, cleaned up his act and then emerged as a great player. All I see are players that continue the downward spiral, continue to get suspended, get suspended indefinitely, move from team to team, and never live up to their potential.

My outlook on Bryant is that I don't expect anything from him and if he does get reinstated, if he does play well, then great, but it does not stop me from taking a WR high in this year's draft, first or second round.

There's a first time for everything Scunge. Bryant's abilities are too superior to just write off/ignore. I believe in giving second chances to those that make mistakes, especially in their youth. It is to be expected. We were all young at some point and made our share of mistakes. Someone gave us that second, third, fourth etc... chance at success.
That said, I do agree with the option of drafting a WR but not as high as a 1st, 2nd or even the first of their 3rd RND. Much, much more important needs for this team than a WR. I believe the 'legitimate' 1st RND WR's will be long gone by 1. 30 anyway. I would not panic reach for one at 1.30 if the projected 1st RND'ers are gone. Pass rush has to be addressed. Simply put. Inside backer should be higher on the priority list these days. If they look at WR I think the Steelers do what they do every draft and either draft one at the end of day 2 or wait and take one day 3. JMO


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 Post subject: Re: Martavis Bryant
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
It's absolutely ludicrous that they didn't inform Martavis of the conditions soon enough to allow for this to be resolved before the draft. Disgusting.


NFL doesn't owe us anything.

They owe their teams! They owe their players. IDGAF about the fanbase.

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 Post subject: Re: Martavis Bryant
PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 11:13 am 
Martavis is the most talented WR in the NFL since Randy Moss. Legit HOF talent. You do whatever you can to hold to that and make the most of it the last 2 yrs of his rookie deal because he isnt staying here.

This a deep draft in at least 3 Steeler need areas. I am hoping like hell they trade down in the 1st and pick up at least a 4 and 6.

Right now their are only 2 players who might drop to 30 Id consider not trading down for.

Jordan Willis and Pat Mahomes. I will be somewhat disappointed if we stay at 30 and take anyone else who has even an outside chance of being there.

All that said. I am finding a way to get some JuJu at WR if I am Colbert in this draft. I think he will be there in the 3rd. Bug Howard I would consider spending a 5th on if we can trade down and get more picks JuJu Bug and AB has some big potential even considering we would be cheaping out at WR


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 Post subject: Re: Martavis Bryant
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Fully Agreed B2B. Where's the 'Transparency' the NFL claims to be about? I do agree too with the post above suggesting it is Bryant's responsibility to research into what hoops he has to jump through as the process unfolds. At the same time you'd think the players association would be very 'jonny on the spot' with any/all information regarding what Bryant will need to do preparation wise. It's a massive failure of communication if this is indeed the case. Yes, Disgusting!


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 Post subject: Re: Martavis Bryant
PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 11:23 am 
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Fully Agreed B2B. Where's the 'Transparency' the NFL claims to be about? I do agree too with the post above suggesting it is Bryant's responsibility to research into what hoops he has to jump through as the process unfolds. At the same time you'd think the players association would be very 'jonny on the spot' with any/all information regarding what Bryant will need to do preparation wise. It's a massive failure of communication if this is indeed the case. Yes, Disgusting!


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 Post subject: Re: Martavis Bryant
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SteelerChef wrote:
Martavis is the most talented WR in the NFL since Randy Moss. Legit HOF talent. You do whatever you can to hold to that and make the most of it the last 2 yrs of his rookie deal because he isnt staying here.

This a deep draft in at least 3 Steeler need areas. I am hoping like hell they trade down in the 1st and pick up at least a 4 and 6.

Right now their are only 2 players who might drop to 30 Id consider not trading down for.

Jordan Willis and Pat Mahomes. I will be somewhat disappointed if we stay at 30 and take anyone else who has even an outside chance of being there.


You're going to be disappointed then.

0% chance we or any other team takes Jordan Willis in the first round. Steelers have shown no interest at all. Willis is a day 2 player.

0.003% chance we take Mahomes. He won't be at 30 and if he is I doubt we'd take him. Seems pretty clear we're looking for a mid round developmental type QB.

Unless we're blown away in a trade, we aren't moving out of the first round. Giving up that 5th year option is huge. When our pick comes up we'll take all of 30 seconds running up to the podium the way we always do. And we'll probably draft somebody the board hates and they'll probably
turn out to be a good player ala Shazier, Burns, Davis...

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 Post subject: Re: Martavis Bryant
PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 11:48 am 
Oh I realize thats the more likely scenario but given Willis dropping in some circles I seriously consider moving down

Consider this

2. J Willis OLB
2. Pick your fave here
3. J Jones SS
3. J Smith Schuster WR
4. Q Wilson CB
4. J Mathis OLB
5. M Roberts TE
6. J Clark CB
6. B Howard WR
7. J Jones OLB


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 Post subject: Re: Martavis Bryant
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I don't think the Steelers see Willis as an OLB, looks like a DL/play with your hand on the ground player only. Lotta likable traits, but can he bend and flatten on the edge? Play in space? I don't think the Steelers think so.

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 Post subject: Re: Martavis Bryant
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0% chance we or any other team takes Jordan Willis in the first round.

Avatar bet? I think he goes no later than Atlanta at 31.

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I don't think the Steelers see Willis as an OLB, looks like a DL/play with your hand on the ground player only. Lotta likable traits, but can he bend and flatten on the edge? Play in space? I don't think the Steelers think so.

He literally fits all of the benchmarks (size, testing) set by looking at a decade of OLB picks they've made. Their lack of interest is astounding.

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 Post subject: Re: Martavis Bryant
PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 1:16 pm 
I see the book on Willis as this

Elite football character......gives you everything he has on the field and off
Elite physical measureables........as good any OLB drafted in the top 10

Lacks a plethora of techniques at this point.....isnt polished as it were.....thats coaching.....which I think we have.....and want to on his part....which hes demostrated at every turn so far.....

His floor imo is an Aaron Smith Joey Porter type player......always solid at times great.....the Steelers need those players right now


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 Post subject: Re: Martavis Bryant
PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 1:19 pm 
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I don't think the Steelers see Willis as an OLB, looks like a DL/play with your hand on the ground player only. Lotta likable traits, but can he bend and flatten on the edge? Play in space? I don't think the Steelers think so.

He literally fits all of the benchmarks (size, testing) set by looking at a decade of OLB picks they've made. Their lack of interest is astounding.


I hope its a smokescreen.....imo hes far and away the best 1st pick that has a shot at being there


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 Post subject: Re: Martavis Bryant
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Martavis is the most talented WR in the NFL since Randy Moss. Legit HOF talent.
Wha? He has proven jack shit. He has the potential to be great, but is far from that right now. Not even close to Randy Moss and his HOF status is not fait accompli by any stretch.

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The one thing about Bryant coming back from suspension and realizing his potential is that it is really, really so against the odds. I mean the odds are so ridiculous that the Steelers should spend a high pick on a WR in this draft.

I have looked over the list of suspended players the past 10 years and it is grim. Show me a player who was suspended for 10 games, suspended for an entire season and then had a come to Jesus moment, cleaned up his act and then emerged as a great player. All I see are players that continue the downward spiral, continue to get suspended, get suspended indefinitely, move from team to team, and never live up to their potential.

My outlook on Bryant is that I don't expect anything from him and if he does get reinstated, if he does play well, then great, but it does not stop me from taking a WR high in this year's draft, first or second round.
This. Although unlike everybody else, I haven't given up entirely on Coates being a valuable contributor.

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 Post subject: Re: Martavis Bryant
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I don't think the Steelers see Willis as an OLB, looks like a DL/play with your hand on the ground player only. Lotta likable traits, but can he bend and flatten on the edge? Play in space? I don't think the Steelers think so.

He literally fits all of the benchmarks (size, testing) set by looking at a decade of OLB picks they've made. Their lack of interest is astounding.


I don't think it's astounding, they just don't see him as a OLB in their system IMO. Do you want him out in the flat trying to D up Dion Lewis? Can he drop 30% of the time? To me, he looks like a guy who can't bend and has to take extra steps when trying to run the edge. Like I said, there's a lot to like, but I don't see the fit. I don't think the Steelers do either.

As for the bet, sure. I've got no shame. :D

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 Post subject: Re: Martavis Bryant
PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 3:16 pm 
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I don't think the Steelers see Willis as an OLB, looks like a DL/play with your hand on the ground player only. Lotta likable traits, but can he bend and flatten on the edge? Play in space? I don't think the Steelers think so.

He literally fits all of the benchmarks (size, testing) set by looking at a decade of OLB picks they've made. Their lack of interest is astounding.


I don't think it's astounding, they just don't see him as a OLB in their system IMO. Do you want him out in the flat trying to D up Dion Lewis? Can he drop 30% of the time? To me, he looks like a guy who can't bend and has to take extra steps when trying to run the edge. Like I said, there's a lot to like, but I don't see the fit. I don't think the Steelers do either.

As for the bet, sure. I've got no shame. :D



Lol.....without looking tell me which of these combine results is Lewis ?

I will fill you in on the other 3 later 8-)





40 YARD DASH: 4.53 SEC
BENCH PRESS: 24 REPS
VERTICAL JUMP: 39.0 INCH
BROAD JUMP: 125.0 INCH
3 CONE DRILL: 6.85 SEC
20 YARD SHUTTLE: 4.28 SEC


40 YARD DASH: 4.57 SEC
BENCH PRESS: 17 REPS
VERTICAL JUMP: 34.5 INCH
BROAD JUMP: 112.0 INCH
3 CONE DRILL: 6.90 SEC
20 YARD SHUTTLE: 4.18 SEC



40 YARD DASH: 4.64 SEC
BENCH PRESS: 33 REPS
VERTICAL JUMP: 41.0 INCH
BROAD JUMP: 128.0 INCH


40 YARD DASH: 4.65 SEC
BENCH PRESS: 23 REPS
VERTICAL JUMP: 40.0 INCH
BROAD JUMP: 128.0 INCH
3 CONE DRILL: 7.08 SEC
20 YARD SHUTTLE: 4.18 SEC


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If Willis played to his combine numbers we wouldn't even be having any argument. He'd be a top 20 lock. But he doesn't.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 3:33 pm 
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If Willis played to his combine numbers we wouldn't even be having any argument. He'd be a top 20 lock. But he doesn't.



:lol: :shock:

Again.....to me that says he needs polishing....coaching...

Is it that hard to imagine that a guy with those measureables hasnt needed or recieved the very best training so far in his career ?

The guy lives for football and his team and has HOF elite tools to work with. Whats not to like at 30 ?


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 Post subject: Re: Martavis Bryant
PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 3:37 pm 
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I don't think the Steelers see Willis as an OLB, looks like a DL/play with your hand on the ground player only. Lotta likable traits, but can he bend and flatten on the edge? Play in space? I don't think the Steelers think so.

He literally fits all of the benchmarks (size, testing) set by looking at a decade of OLB picks they've made. Their lack of interest is astounding.


I don't think it's astounding, they just don't see him as a OLB in their system IMO. Do you want him out in the flat trying to D up Dion Lewis? Can he drop 30% of the time? To me, he looks like a guy who can't bend and has to take extra steps when trying to run the edge. Like I said, there's a lot to like, but I don't see the fit. I don't think the Steelers do either.

As for the bet, sure. I've got no shame. :D




Oh....and for those following along....heres the names



Jordan Willis
40 YARD DASH: 4.53 SEC
BENCH PRESS: 24 REPS
VERTICAL JUMP: 39.0 INCH
BROAD JUMP: 125.0 INCH
3 CONE DRILL: 6.85 SEC
20 YARD SHUTTLE: 4.28 SEC

All World Dion Lewis
40 YARD DASH: 4.57 SEC
BENCH PRESS: 17 REPS
VERTICAL JUMP: 34.5 INCH
BROAD JUMP: 112.0 INCH
3 CONE DRILL: 6.90 SEC
20 YARD SHUTTLE: 4.18 SEC


Myles Garrett
40 YARD DASH: 4.64 SEC
BENCH PRESS: 33 REPS
VERTICAL JUMP: 41.0 INCH
BROAD JUMP: 128.0 INCH

Khalil Mack
40 YARD DASH: 4.65 SEC
BENCH PRESS: 23 REPS
VERTICAL JUMP: 40.0 INCH
BROAD JUMP: 128.0 INCH
3 CONE DRILL: 7.08 SEC
20 YARD SHUTTLE: 4.18 SEC


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