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PostPosted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:58 pm 
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Collinsworth made a great point on the Ben interception that the NE DB steered the Steeler WR Washington just enough to the inside that his deep help could make the interception. Very obviously perfect technique that isnt seen or talked about by many.

Anyone in the know wanna talk about/go into detail about that a little more ??

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:35 am 
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I am not in the know, but I essentially hint at that in the Ben’s Deep Balls thread on numerous routes.

Everyone thinks Ben was rusty and off for the first game, but when you have arm bars, chicken fighting, and collisions the whole way down the field with our WR, it disrupts every ball and pattern, but shows up more so on the deep balls.

I wrote that if JW kept going straight on the play you are discussing, it would be a completion or incompletion, but not an interception.

It is all over the tape.

And if you think the PS are practicing with that kind of coverage friction on their routes during the week or at camp, go watch Dorsett’s 6 point bomb from TB12 during the game, Dorsett could have run like Laura Ingalls on the intro to Little House on the Prairie the whole way down the field and still caught that ball. NOT ONE SINGLE HAIR or loose article of clothing was touched. Our guys would have started running in the same fashion......Look coach I am a great shadow dancer, but I can’t arm bar, or run receivers off of their lines.
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You have to bring your A game to Gillette, especially a prime time game and super hyped game. I think Ben had his A game. I think JuJu and Connor did too, hell even Switzer brought his A game for him, but that is about it, and can’t think of any A games on defense.

But coaching, and defensively, there were not many additional A games, which then pulls the existing A games down to B territory. I knew it was bad as soon as I saw Barron taking bad lines and getting caught in the wash on the first couple plays on defense. Then zero pressure on Brady. And if everyone had their A game, the Pats definitely had their A game, so it would have been a top to toe battle with us losing by 3.

Just to be clear, an offense A game is nearly zero drops, zero penalties, zero turnovers on offense. You don’t have to convert every 3rd down, because the Pats defense had their A game too. Defensively, an A game would be zero penalties, solid tackling, uncomfortable QB, disrupted WR routes, field goals instead of TDs. You don’t have to make every series 3 and punt, as the Pats offense had their A game.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:56 pm 
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The Steelers need to reevaluate how they grade CBs for the draft. They have no one that can play bump and run. At best they are all off man CBs.

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 Post subject: Re: DB technique
PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:40 am 
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Butler apparently did not like all the pick action by the Patriots, which goes to something I have been saying....Tomlin needs to get himself thrown out of a game for all the shit the Pats DBs do during a game to bring it to the attention of the refs and the league.

I don’t know how I feel about bellyaching about pick plays in football, but I definitely saw them and thought more than one was not called a penalty. I also saw IMLBs taking awful lines too.

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Steelers defensive coordinator questions legality of Patriots offense
By Brian Batko / Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
on Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:34 PM EDT
In responding to a question about Seattle Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson’s scrambling ability, his improvisational skills and, by extension, his tendency to hold the ball longer than, say, Tom Brady, it was Steelers defensive coordinator Keith Butler who spun out of the pocket, took a sharp left turn and went off script after practice Thursday.

“Brady don’t have to,” Butler said of the New England Patriots passer. “He’s got everybody picking for him. That’s what they did to us, they picked a little bit; some of it was legal, some of it wasn’t. Hey, that’s part of the game.”

At that point, Butler got back on track and began breaking down Wilson’s mannerisms within the Seahawks offense, but the wheels were turning. He seemed to be at odds with the legality of the various crossing patterns and wide receiver rub-routes the Steelers encountered for much of the game Sunday night in New England.

Frustration is natural. Heck, Butler began his post-practice session with a tongue-in-cheek but not-at-all-disingenuous opening statement of sorts in reaction to the 33-3 whipping his defense caught in Week 1.

“All right, let’s get this over with,” Butler said before he paused, then started up again in a mock-grilling of himself. “Yeah, we gave up 33 points. Does it suck? Yes, it sucks. We could’ve done a lot better, guys. It was coaching and playing. We busted some dadgum assignments. We as coaches didn't do a good enough job of getting these guys ready to get the right communication on the field, and that was the cause of busted assignments. They scored on those busted assignments three times. They got us. They scored touchdowns.”

But was there a less-than-fair reason for that? Butler didn't mention anything about “pick” plays — when a receiver illegally but intentionally gets in the way of a defender trying to guard another receiver — until evaluating the performance of rookie inside linebacker Devin Bush.

Bush was covering versatile Patriots running back Rex Burkhead on the perimeter midway through the first quarter when he realized he was on an island pre-snap as Burkhead went in motion toward the ball. So, he walked down toward the line of scrimmage in order to jam Burkhead on his route, but once Brady got the snap, tight end Ryan Izzo stopped in his tracks and made contact with Bush. That put Bush behind the eight ball and he allowed a 17-yard catch-and-run by Burkhead that sparked New England’s first scoring drive.

“He made one little minor mistake. He jumped down there and tried to press a guy, and he had a guy next to him that picked him,” Butler said of Bush. “As a rookie, you learn stuff like that. He was trying to do the best he could because he wanted to cover the guy, and he felt like covering the guy, he could get on him and put his hands on him and stuff like that. It just so happens that another guy was right next to him at the same level, and they picked him.”

#Patriots RB Rex Burkhead beats #Steelers rookie LB Devin Bush for 17 yards.pic.twitter.com/yUhFikDe6y

— Dov Kleiman (@NFL_DovKleiman) September 9, 2019


For his part, Bush said Wednesday that particular play stood out to him because he actually could’ve played it tighter. Ostensibly, the speedy first-round pick believes he has the quickness and burst to keep up with Burkhead, 29, but just didn't play it right.

“The 17-yard pickup, definitely that play, I wish I could get that one back,” Bush said. “That’s the learning process, getting smarter.”

To his coordinator, everyone needs to get smarter. Not just to rebound from their most points allowed in Week 1 since 2011, but also in case another Patriots matchup comes to pick — er, pass.

“I’m just saying they get away with a lot of stuff — which, hey, it’s an offensive game. That’s how we sell tickets. That’s how we all get paid. All of us get paid because of the game, know what I’m saying? So, the game, they’re going to make it as exciting on possible and they can sell it on TV, which, hey, I’m all for it, man,” said Butler, who spent 10 seasons in the NFL and has coached in it every year since 1999. “That’s been my whole career. I’m not going to bitch about it too much. They did a good job with it. We’ve just got to make sure we’re aware of it, and do a better job coaching.”

Offensive injuries

Offensive coordinator Randy Fichtner said Thursday he expects to have his entire offensive line against the Seahawks, including injured center Maurkice Pouncey, who hurt his ankle Sunday night and missed practice for the second day in a row, according to the Steelers’ injury report.

“Knock on wood, I believe we’ll be healthy again this week and get another opportunity to show we’re better than last week,” Fichtner said.

Fullback Roosevelt Nix (knee) remains out until further notice.

Defensive injuries

Butler is “still hoping” that cornerback Joe Haden, who has a right shoulder injury that kept him out of practice again Thursday, will be able to play Week 2.

“I think they’ll be OK at the end of the week,” he said of his banged-up defensive backs. “Still hoping for Joe. I’m not sure about what’s going on with him. ... He tells me he’ll be ready to play. ... We’re hoping and thinking we’ll have everybody available.”

At outside linebacker, T.J. Watt said before practice he expects to play Sunday and then got in a full day's work after being limited Wednesday.



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 Post subject: Re: DB technique
PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:46 am 
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Butler can piss and moan all he wants, his scheming was fucking stupid.


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 Post subject: Re: DB technique
PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:57 am 
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Steel Mike wrote:
Butler can piss and moan all he wants, his scheming was fucking stupid.


This. He was taken to the woodshed once again. It’s what makes Bill B. smart;

1. Have your DBs make a shit load of contact because the fact of the matter is the refs are not going to call illegal contacf/DPI on every play. All the hand fighting and ccntact just serves as the baseline; maybe you get called for it once or twice a game (the Pats NEVER get called for it).

2. Same with the pick plays. They called OPI on the Pats once but they picked the entire game. The refs will not continue to call that penalty.

Butler has no answer for Bill B. A lot of the league doesn’t as well, but Butler is particularly bad.


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 Post subject: Re: DB technique
PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:40 pm 
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Orangesteel wrote:
Steel Mike wrote:
Butler can piss and moan all he wants, his scheming was fucking stupid.


This. He was taken to the woodshed once again. It’s what makes Bill B. smart;

1. Have your DBs make a shit load of contact because the fact of the matter is the refs are not going to call illegal contacf/DPI on every play. All the hand fighting and ccntact just serves as the baseline; maybe you get called for it once or twice a game (the Pats NEVER get called for it).

2. Same with the pick plays. They called OPI on the Pats once but they picked the entire game. The refs will not continue to call that penalty.

Butler has no answer for Bill B. A lot of the league doesn’t as well, but Butler is particularly bad.

Orange I agree 100% with bullet #1.

I also disagree with bullet #1 100% too.

I agree it sets a baseline that the refs will never call.

Having umpired before, I can tell you that having a coach severely bitching in your ear on every pitch can impact you too.

Having the second best coach in the league, during a marquee matchup during prime time, going irate up and down the sidelines during the first quarter will definitely alter how the game gets called. Take a page out of Phil Jackson’s book during the “Jordan Rules” that the Pistons employed. He would start before the playoff series even began by holding press conferences and talking about it then. Then going insane during the games. The refs are not immune, nor is the front office.

Tomlin should have ridden the refs up and down the field for the 1st quarter until he was thrown out. That resets the baseline the other way. It only takes a few calls to fix the behavior, and all his yelling and screaming would disrupt the Pats game plan. Coaching level 400!


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