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 Post subject: Hindsight Draft
PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2019 7:13 pm 
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OK smart guys, who would you select with all of the Steelers picks given the gift of hindsight. Let’s see your draft classes.


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 Post subject: Re: Hindsight Draft
PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2019 7:18 pm 
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Would the Bengals have taken Bush had we not moved up?


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 Post subject: Re: Hindsight Draft
PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2019 7:30 pm 
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1. Montez Sweat OLB
2. Juan Thornhill S
3. Dionte Johnson WR
3. Justin Layne CB
4. Foster Moreau TE
5. Vosean Joseph ILB
6. David Long ILB
6. Kelvin Harmon WR
6. Rodney Anderson RB
7. Dontavius Russell DT


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 Post subject: Re: Hindsight Draft
PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2019 7:35 pm 
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1.) Montez Sweat EDGE Miss St
2.) Taylor Rapp or Juan Thornhill take your pick Safety big miss in this draft
3T) Diontae Johnson WR Toledo
3) Justin Layne CB Mich st
4) Foster Moreau TE LSU
5T) Vosean Joseph LB UF
6T) Armon Watts DT Arkanas
6) Kelvin Harmon WR NcST
6T) Rodney Anderson RB OU
7) Stephen Denmark DB Valdosta st

Or if trading up to 10 could've gone

1T) Brian Burns EDGE FSU- Bud Sucks
3T) Diontae Johnson WR Toledo
3) Justin Layne CB Mich St
4) Foster Moreau TE LSU
5T) Vosean Joseph LB Florida
6T) Armon Watts DT Arkansas
6) Kelvin Harmon WR NcSt
6T) Rodney Anderson RB OU
7) Stephen Denmark DB Valdosta St

Or for those of you who like Bush (Hopefully y'all do...not that there's anything wrong with that if you don't)

1T) Devin Bush LB Michigan
3T) Diontae Johnson WR Toledo
3) Justin Layne CB Mich St
4) Foster Moreau TE- Key for me in all 3 of these hindsights is no Zach Gentry-HATED that pick
5T) Vosean Joseph LB Florida
6T) Armon Watts DT Arkansas
6) Kelvin Harmon WR NcSt
6T) Rodney Anderson RB OU
7) Stephen Denmark


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 Post subject: Re: Hindsight Draft
PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2019 7:36 pm 
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1. TE Fant
2. FS Thornhill
3a. Edge Winovich
3b. CB Layne
4. WR Ridley
5. ILB Joseph
6a. RB T. Johnson
6b. DL Buggs
6c. ILB Gilbert III
7. CB Denmark


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 Post subject: Re: Hindsight Draft
PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:51 pm 
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Could we have gotten Dionte in R4, even using a few late picks to move up if need be? Then we can grab another stud at #66.

I don't mind the trade up for Bush. But I think on Dionte they reached trying to fill needs at WR and returner. I think they overdrafted him, and it cost us another quality player.

They got Layne, who some thought wouldn't last that long...so if you flip those two picks it's better aligned with "draft expectations". They're supposed to be good at finding receivers, and I'm sure they could have gotten a good one in early R4 if Dionte happened not to be there. I think they took him where they did because they really liked him as a returner, forgetting Danny Smith is still the ST coach.

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 Post subject: Re: Hindsight Draft
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Kodiak wrote:
Could we have gotten Dionte in R4, even using a few late picks to move up if need be? Then we can grab another stud at #66.

I don't mind the trade up for Bush. But I think on Dionte they reached trying to fill needs at WR and returner. I think they overdrafted him, and it cost us another quality player.

They got Layne, who some thought wouldn't last that long...so if you flip those two picks it's better aligned with "draft expectations". They're supposed to be good at finding receivers, and I'm sure they could have gotten a good one in early R4 if Dionte happened not to be there. I think they took him where they did because they really liked him as a returner, forgetting Danny Smith is still the ST coach.


According to Drake, Uncle Brucie was going to take Dionte in the third.

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 Post subject: Re: Hindsight Draft
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Kodiak wrote:
Could we have gotten Dionte in R4, even using a few late picks to move up if need be? Then we can grab another stud at #66.

I don't mind the trade up for Bush. But I think on Dionte they reached trying to fill needs at WR and returner. I think they overdrafted him, and it cost us another quality player.

They got Layne, who some thought wouldn't last that long...so if you flip those two picks it's better aligned with "draft expectations". They're supposed to be good at finding receivers, and I'm sure they could have gotten a good one in early R4 if Dionte happened not to be there. I think they took him where they did because they really liked him as a returner, forgetting Danny Smith is still the ST coach.


Maybe. All I know is that the dude has serious COD ability from watching his cut ups. That in my opinion is far more important compared to 40 speed in the modern NFL. I also think it’s underrated.

We will see.


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 Post subject: Re: Hindsight Draft
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Zeke5123 wrote:
Maybe. All I know is that the dude has serious COD ability from watching his cut ups. That in my opinion is far more important compared to 40 speed in the modern NFL. I also think it’s underrated.

We will see.


I love the player, I just think they may have way overdrafted him. We'll probably never know for sure.

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 Post subject: Re: Hindsight Draft
PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2019 9:49 pm 
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1. Devin Bush, LB, Michigan
3a. Chase Winovich, LB, Michigan
3b. Chauncey Gardner-Johnson, S, Florida
4. Benny Snell, RB, UK
5. Amani Oruwariye, CB, Penn St
6a. Armon Watts, DT, Arkansas
6b. Donald Parham, TE, Stetson
6c. Nate Trewyn, C, Wisconsin-Whitewater
7. Emanuel Hall, WR, Missouri

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 Post subject: Re: Hindsight Draft
PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2019 12:39 am 
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SteelDrama wrote:

1T) Brian Burns EDGE FSU- Bud Sucks



This guy is Alonzo Jackson imo


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 Post subject: Re: Hindsight Draft
PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2019 9:46 am 
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1. Noah Fant, TE
2. Taylor Rapp, FS
3. Diontae Johnson, WR
3. Maxx Crosby, EDGE
4. Isaiah Johnson, CB
5. Vosean Joseph, ILB
6. Armon Watts, DL
6. Dexter Williams, RB
6. Ulysses Gilbert III, ILB
7. Stephen Denmark, DB


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 Post subject: Re: Hindsight Draft
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Interesting that there is a lot of agreement on Johnson and Layne.

Apparently the Steelers are not idiots in the third round.


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 Post subject: Re: Hindsight Draft
PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2019 12:16 pm 
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Perch,

you usually put this post out there every year after the draft for all of us draft experts....lol.

wonder how our previous draft insight picks turned out............
and if anyone really nailed it.

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 Post subject: Re: Hindsight Draft
PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2019 12:18 pm 
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Kodiak wrote:
Zeke5123 wrote:
Maybe. All I know is that the dude has serious COD ability from watching his cut ups. That in my opinion is far more important compared to 40 speed in the modern NFL. I also think it’s underrated.

We will see.


I love the player, I just think they may have way overdrafted him. We'll probably never know for sure.

Bruce called Drake and dropped FBombs after the Steelers pick. Drake says Arians told him they were about to take Johnson.

I don't buy that he was overdrafted. I think he was a Rd 3/Rd 4 guy who wasn't 100% healthy in the draft process and apparently had A TON of interest at his pro day. The twitter perception and opinions of blowhards on ESPN/nfl network means nothing to me.

After hearing about both Bush and Johnson in terms of the meetings and behind-the-scenes, I like both picks much, much more. The Steelers (and NFL teams in general) have so much more access to character-identity-medical & face-to-face input than we have.

I regret missing on some high-quality safeties in this class. To that end, when the Broncos asked for next year's #1, Steelers should have countered with: yes, but we want your 3rd from next year back. That way they could have gotten what is likely to be nearly a 2nd in return and avoided going through that giant stretch between 1.10 and 3.66 when all the game-changing safeties went. Maybe they thought one of Rapp-Savage-Thornhill-Blair would make it to the second 3rd rounder? I mean, I like all those players and I sure thought one would make it to the second 3rd round pick.

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 Post subject: Re: Hindsight Draft
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My thought on safeties in this defense... Butler is a linebacker and a former LB coach. He used Shazier much the same way LeBeau used Troy -- maybe not to the same extent, because Troy was a generational player, but Shazier was a "seek and destroy" kind of playmaker. He's going to try to do the same with Bush.

I think if Edmunds can play the run and cover move TEs, and one of the other guys can play centerfield and lay the wood (heh), that's all the team wants from its safeties. I just don't think they see it as a need, and if they do, it's one they addressed in the first round last year. There are a lot of pieces competing for 2 spots. Hopefully Edmunds and someone else stick.


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 Post subject: Re: Hindsight Draft
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Laying the Wood wrote:
My thought on safeties in this defense... Butler is a linebacker and a former LB coach. He used Shazier much the same way LeBeau used Troy -- maybe not to the same extent, because Troy was a generational player, but Shazier was a "seek and destroy" kind of playmaker. He's going to try to do the same with Bush.

I think if Edmunds can play the run and cover move TEs, and one of the other guys can play centerfield and lay the wood (heh), that's all the team wants from its safeties. I just don't think they see it as a need, and if they do, it's one they addressed in the first round last year. There are a lot of pieces competing for 2 spots. Hopefully Edmunds and someone else stick.
I just saw tombert's eval of the 2019 draft, and mikey said they are satisfied with the secondary group. IOW, safety's aren't a concern, as Hilton and Sutton have transitioned and situationally played safety. He kept emphasizing positional flexibility.

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 Post subject: Re: Hindsight Draft
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They also emphasized not being able to create enough turnovers.

Sean’s davis has how many in his career? How many at free safety?

For his entire career, Davis created half as many turnovers per start as Earl Thomas, for instance.

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 Post subject: Re: Hindsight Draft
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After Fant at 20 there really wasn't much left worthy of first round selection in my opinion. It was difficult not to want to stand on the trade up to 10. Even then there was slim pickings as to who was worthy after 10. The 52nd pick they gave up to me was smack dab in the middle of ground zero High draft currency. Not having that pick I think may come back to haunt the Steelers. I hope not, but we'll see.


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 Post subject: Re: Hindsight Draft
PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2019 7:25 am 
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1.CB YA-Sin
2.FS Thornhill
3a.ILB Pratt
3b.RB Hill
4.TE Moreau
5.ILB Joseph
6.a.WR Harmon
6b.CB Needham
6c.ILB Gilbert
7.DT/DE PJ Johnson


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 Post subject: Re: Hindsight Draft
PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2019 9:14 am 
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TB wrote:
1. Devin Bush, LB, Michigan
3a. Chase Winovich, LB, Michigan
3b. Chauncey Gardner-Johnson, S, Florida
4. Benny Snell, RB, UK
5. Amani Oruwariye, CB, Penn St
6a. Armon Watts, DT, Arkansas
6b. Donald Parham, TE, Stetson
6c. Nate Trewyn, C, Wisconsin-Whitewater
7. Emanuel Hall, WR, Missouri


There is simply no way in hell the Steelers were going to wait to address new weapons for Roethlisberger until the 6th and 7th round.

No way.

They were going to draft a receiver in the 3rd round, zero doubt about it, especially after trading way their 2nd rounder.

Just wasn't ever going to happen.

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 Post subject: Re: Hindsight Draft
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
They also emphasized not being able to create enough turnovers.

Sean’s davis has how many in his career? How many at free safety?

For his entire career, Davis created half as many turnovers per start as Earl Thomas, for instance.


Good or bad, the Steelers believe they're set at safety.

At least for this upcoming season.

If these guys don't make progress, a change could be made.

If that change is made, Davis will likely be the one replaced. They almost have to give Edmunds a few years to figure his shit out.

Simply too large an investment to bail on quickly.

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 Post subject: Re: Hindsight Draft
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I think the Steelers transition Joe Haden to FS if the 3rd round pick shows he can play.


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 Post subject: Re: Hindsight Draft
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What would be a small miracle is if Burns was to pull his head out of his ass and play up to his/or even exceed his potential. Keeping an outside spot. Nelson transitions to slot, then Haden could transition to FS with Layne playing the other outside corner spot. Or a more likely scenario is Nelson and Haden work outside, Davis stays FS, Edmonds SS with Hilton at slot corner and Burns, Sutton, Layne, Both Allens and a few UDFA's/FA's fighting for those remaining 5 secondary spots. Playing ST's will be the key to those remaining 5 roster spots.


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 Post subject: Re: Hindsight Draft
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Stosh-67 wrote:
Perch,

you usually put this post out there every year after the draft for all of us draft experts....lol.

wonder how our previous draft insight picks turned out............
and if anyone really nailed it.


2016: http://steelerfury.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=6527&p=231711

2018: http://steelerfury.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=10509&p=386866

Couldn't find the one from 2017, but I have a memory of their being one because I remember being all over Carl Lawson and shocked he fell.

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