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 Post subject: Re: Art II speaks...all but shoves AB out the door
PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:27 pm 
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“My belief is there’s more to it than an incident one day at practice,” Rooney said. “That’s one of the reasons I would have liked to talk to him about it — what it was and how it got to this point.”

How it got to this point???
How can the owner of the team not know how it’s gotten to this point?” WTF?
Hey Art maybe tune into Aditi K on Pete kings podcast and at least get the gist ya barrel of monkey nuts!

I want to go back to liking the Steelers.
Fire Butler
Tomlin won’t get fired but hopefully contract not renewed/extended
Trade AB. Hopefully for much more than a 5th rd pick
I need to de-sour on Ben because he’s not going anywhere
Art2 needs replaced as owner. Little brother Daniel ready yet?


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 Post subject: Re: Art II speaks...all but shoves AB out the door
PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 8:18 am 
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“My belief is there’s more to it than an incident one day at practice,” Rooney said. “That’s one of the reasons I would have liked to talk to him about it — what it was and how it got to this point.”

How it got to this point???
How can the owner of the team not know how it’s gotten to this point?” WTF?
Hey Art maybe tune into Aditi K on Pete kings podcast and at least get the gist ya barrel of monkey nuts!

I want to go back to liking the Steelers.
Fire Butler
Tomlin won’t get fired but hopefully contract not renewed/extended
Trade AB. Hopefully for much more than a 5th rd pick
I need to de-sour on Ben because he’s not going anywhere
Art2 needs replaced as owner. Little brother Daniel ready yet?


Your poasting handle is perfect for these dark times, however. Obviously a prescient choice on your part. :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Art II speaks...all but shoves AB out the door
PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:54 pm 
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Scunge wrote:
Havoc, one other stat that has been bothering me the past couple seasons with Brown is that he really has a lower first down percentage than other WRs. What does that mean? Well, how many of his catches are going for first downs?? Moving the chains, etc.

I look around and see that many of the great WRs, many of the very good WRs all have first down percentages in the 70s, even 80%.

Mike Evans and Kenny Golladay were at 80%.
The Rams Robert Woods as at 77%
Alston Jeffrey and Amari Cooper were at 74%
Julio Jones and Hopkins and Tyler Boyd, Brandin Cooks they were all between 70-72%

Where was Antonion Brown on this list for first down percentage??

Brown was all the way down at 60.6%

So, Ben was completing 61.9% of his passing attempts to Brown and only 60.6% of those passes resulted in first downs. And then look at all of the INTs that Ben threw trying to fit passes into Brown. How many INTs? 7,8? That is a special connection, really??

There are a lot of QB/WR combos out there where they are completing 70-75% of their passes and those completed passes are going for first downs 70% of the time and yet the Ben to Brown connection is special??


Interesting stuff, Scunge

AB's gawdy numbers of the past remind me of Kobe Bryant in the nba when Kobe had his highest scoring season. Kobe jacked up a crazy number of shots that season, 27 shots per game. The Lakers rs record was 45 -37 and they lost in the first round of the playoffs. So what did those PPG numbers Kobe put up that season really mean? Well, if you want to be a championship team, they were useless garbage, empty numbers.

AB's gawdy numbers of the past to a degree are empty numbers, like Kobe Bryant's highest ppg season. Show me numbers that mean getting to the SB, winning the SB. Show me numbers that contributed to the highest scoring offense in the league.

The more I think about this, the more I'm on board with moving AB. AB is a HOFer, and he's also a little overrated by some in Steelers Nation, and many in the media.

This team has been too much about entertainment the past several years (before Fichtner), like Kobe entertaining the lower basketball IQ portion of the Lakers fanbase during his highest ppg season, not enough about championship level substance. Fichtner tried to change that this season, and AB didn't like it.

It's about having enough guys who can get separation and make plays in the passing game. The names on the jerseys do not have to include Antonio Brown.


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 Post subject: Re: Art II speaks...all but shoves AB out the door
PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:55 pm 
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I still think there is a money aspect to this as well.

Brown is probably upset that he is making so much less money then other WRs.

Don't give me that per season crap, all Brown is looking at is that OBJ signed for $95 million, or that Evans signed for $82 million, or that cooks signed for $80 million, meanwhile poor Antonio had to settle for $68!!

I bet this is a ploy to get more money out of the Steelers and if traded to get more money out of his new team too.

I think any trade will be contingent upon Brown getting paid more, getting a new contract.


Ding, ding, ding!

Money is a big part of it, imo. AB thinks he's the LeBron/Jordan of the NFL (or wants to be). He wants to be paid the most, live somewhere more conducive to growing his brand, and turning his brand into some sort of conglomerate money making business. He sees the opportunity to accomplish some of that by getting traded, mark my words.

My guess is, MIA, LA or NY are his first choices. Somewhere the city is big enough and the competition from another high-profile WR (JuJu) isn't as strong.

I always find it interesting (a great case study, if you will) when people that came from nothing, with very little education and mentorship, reach fame and fortune and then screw it all up because of their own bloated ego and various undoings. Most aren't even smart enough to get out of their own way. It's kind of sad, too, I guess.

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44LetzRide wrote:
Losing Bell & Brown back to back? I'm not buying it. The door isn't closed until it's closed. Why bother extending Ben? Couldn't win the SB with #26 & #84, far less likely to win it without them.


Did we ever have a healthy #26 & #84 in a playoff run?


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Quixotic wrote:
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Losing Bell & Brown back to back? I'm not buying it. The door isn't closed until it's closed. Why bother extending Ben? Couldn't win the SB with #26 & #84, far less likely to win it without them.


Did we ever have a healthy #26 & #84 in a playoff run?

Jacksonville last year and we put up 42 vs the league's #1 defense.

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And still lost. To a team QB’d by Blake Bortles.

The Steel Curtain rolled over in its grave that day...


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 Post subject: Re: Art II speaks...all but shoves AB out the door
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
Quixotic wrote:
44LetzRide wrote:
Losing Bell & Brown back to back? I'm not buying it. The door isn't closed until it's closed. Why bother extending Ben? Couldn't win the SB with #26 & #84, far less likely to win it without them.


Did we ever have a healthy #26 & #84 in a playoff run?

Jacksonville last year and we put up 42 vs the league's #1 defense.


Only because we were behind, forcing the dumbass Mike Tomlin to keep his foot on the gas pedal.

My former college football coach buddy says the Steelers are a better come from behind team, don't play as well with a lead. He says that's coaching. He's right.


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 Post subject: Re: Art II speaks...all but shoves AB out the door
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I think any trade will be contingent upon Brown getting paid more, getting a new contract.


Why? Does his current contract include a no-trade clause?

If not, send his ass to the worst situation that gives us the best offer.


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 Post subject: Re: Art II speaks...all but shoves AB out the door
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That suit....Jesus....


I dig the suit. It has a Von Dutch/Ed Hardy look to it.



sarcasm.....?

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 Post subject: Re: Art II speaks...all but shoves AB out the door
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I think any trade will be contingent upon Brown getting paid more, getting a new contract.


Why? Does his current contract include a no-trade clause?

If not, send his ass to the worst situation that gives us the best offer.


He can make noises he'll hold out and drive his value down.

Not saying he would because it would be a dumb thing to do financially but you never know...

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 Post subject: Re: Art II speaks...all but shoves AB out the door
PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:54 pm 
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On Thursday afternoon, Steelers owner Art Rooney II cast grave doubt on receiver Antonio Brown‘s future in Pittsburgh. Later in the day, Brown had a response.

It’s just not clear what his response means.

Brown tweeted a photo of himself with Rooney, shaking hands presumably on one of the days that one of Brown’s two long-term, big-money contracts was announced to the world. Brown adds this message to the photo: “Good Business #Boomin.”

So . . . does he mean that good business had been done on the day of the photo? Or is he making a sarcastic comment regarding the wisdom of Rooney’s remarks? Or is Brown simply happy to possibly getting that which he may want: A one-way ticket out of town?

Whatever the message, Brown isn’t bashful about speaking his mind. Which, if the goal is to secure a trade, may be the key to getting what he wants.


But i just heard an audio clip on the fan that has AB speaking saying he will give his response shortly. the audio sample was about 10-15 seconds and he's saying he's not done, im only 31 and i have lots left....trying to find a clip

edit AB's instagram (must have an account to see) he's in a video with Chad Johnson..... :roll:

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Brown has reportedly unfollowed the Steelers on Twitter.

https://thebiglead.com/2019/01/11/anton ... elers/amp/

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Jeemie wrote:
Brown has reportedly unfollowed the Steelers on Twitter.

https://thebiglead.com/2019/01/11/anton ... elers/amp/


that is something he did like 10 days ago Jeems

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BethlehemSteel wrote:
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Brown has reportedly unfollowed the Steelers on Twitter.

https://thebiglead.com/2019/01/11/anton ... elers/amp/


that is something he did like 10 days ago Jeems


Well it was being reported like it just happened.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 6:00 pm 
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Jeemie wrote:
955876 wrote:
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I think any trade will be contingent upon Brown getting paid more, getting a new contract.


Why? Does his current contract include a no-trade clause?

If not, send his ass to the worst situation that gives us the best offer.


He can make noises he'll hold out and drive his value down.

Not saying he would because it would be a dumb thing to do financially but you never know...



But he’d be holding out elsewhere so who cares?

Im just confused on those who say a trade could be contingent on him getting paid more elsewhere.

Unless I’m missing something here a trade is a trade. He has zero say unless he has a no trade clause


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