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 Post subject: The Steelers have become a complacent franchise
PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:44 pm 
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Yes this is where we are

Archaic thinking for the modern NFL

EMR simply is running a perception scheme

Tomlin creates a circus and side show for the past 8 years

Guess who just verbalized the same thing

The Green Bay Packers

Its you know who but let’s the comparisons rain down

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They staunchly denied it while Mike McCarthy served as head coach, but they’re admitting it now.
The Packers had grown satisfied, and it was time to rid the team of that feeling.

During Wednesday’s press conference introducing new coach Matt LaFleur, CEO Mark Murphy explained that he gathered information from nine players (one from each position group) regarding what the players hoped to achieve under a new coach.

“They wanted someone who would hold the players accountable,” Murphy explained. “They felt a complacency had set in among some players and coaches. . . . Is there something we could do to shake people up so they don’t have the complacency?”

That’s the key word: Complacency. As in getting rid of it. Which means, obviously, that McCarthy was ultimately responsible for creating it.

It’s no surprise, especially in light of the absence of a traditional owner. Indeed, PFT has pointed out the signs and symptoms of complacency, and the friction it created, over the past several years. During the 2016 season, quarterback Aaron Rodgers complained openly about a lack of energy on the sidelines. Not long after that, he bemoaned the absence of a healthy fear of getting fired if players weren’t doing their jobs.

Both gripes trace to the head coach, and Rodgers’ willingness to openly comment on those dynamics were interpreted by some (us) as a passive-aggressive tug-of-war between Rodgers and McCarthy.

Aaron didn’t appreciate that very much. He didn’t appreciate it perhaps because the arrow hit the bull’s-eye. And Murphy has now admitted it.

It’s a bit stunning that Murphy was so candid, and it’s not a good sign for McCarthy, if as he claims he intends to return to coaching in 2020. Beyond concerns about an overly simplistic (and obsessively rigid) offensive philosophy, McCarthy will (or at least should) have to answer tough questions about how and why complacency descended onto the Packers under his watch

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 Post subject: Re: The Steelers have become a complacent franchise
PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:56 pm 
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BethlehemSteel wrote:
Yes this is where we are

Archaic thinking for the modern NFL

EMR simply is running a perception scheme

Tomlin creates a circus and side show for the past 8 years

Guess who just verbalized the same thing

The Green Bay Packers

Its you know who but let’s the comparisons rain down

We are currently here

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They staunchly denied it while Mike McCarthy served as head coach, but they’re admitting it now.
The Packers had grown satisfied, and it was time to rid the team of that feeling.

During Wednesday’s press conference introducing new coach Matt LaFleur, CEO Mark Murphy explained that he gathered information from nine players (one from each position group) regarding what the players hoped to achieve under a new coach.

“They wanted someone who would hold the players accountable,” Murphy explained. “They felt a complacency had set in among some players and coaches. . . . Is there something we could do to shake people up so they don’t have the complacency?”

That’s the key word: Complacency. As in getting rid of it. Which means, obviously, that McCarthy was ultimately responsible for creating it.

It’s no surprise, especially in light of the absence of a traditional owner. Indeed, PFT has pointed out the signs and symptoms of complacency, and the friction it created, over the past several years. During the 2016 season, quarterback Aaron Rodgers complained openly about a lack of energy on the sidelines. Not long after that, he bemoaned the absence of a healthy fear of getting fired if players weren’t doing their jobs.

Both gripes trace to the head coach, and Rodgers’ willingness to openly comment on those dynamics were interpreted by some (us) as a passive-aggressive tug-of-war between Rodgers and McCarthy.

Aaron didn’t appreciate that very much. He didn’t appreciate it perhaps because the arrow hit the bull’s-eye. And Murphy has now admitted it.

It’s a bit stunning that Murphy was so candid, and it’s not a good sign for McCarthy, if as he claims he intends to return to coaching in 2020. Beyond concerns about an overly simplistic (and obsessively rigid) offensive philosophy, McCarthy will (or at least should) have to answer tough questions about how and why complacency descended onto the Packers under his watch



Yup and the one responsible is none other than Mike Tomlin. See my post at the end of the Munchak thread. Coaches who won the superbowl early with one team, rarely get back and win another (BB the exception) and NEVER after 10 years. #firemiketomlin


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 Post subject: Re: The Steelers have become a complacent franchise
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Baltostiller wrote:
BethlehemSteel wrote:
Yes this is where we are

Archaic thinking for the modern NFL

EMR simply is running a perception scheme

Tomlin creates a circus and side show for the past 8 years

Guess who just verbalized the same thing

The Green Bay Packers

Its you know who but let’s the comparisons rain down

We are currently here

Quote:
They staunchly denied it while Mike McCarthy served as head coach, but they’re admitting it now.
The Packers had grown satisfied, and it was time to rid the team of that feeling.

During Wednesday’s press conference introducing new coach Matt LaFleur, CEO Mark Murphy explained that he gathered information from nine players (one from each position group) regarding what the players hoped to achieve under a new coach.

“They wanted someone who would hold the players accountable,” Murphy explained. “They felt a complacency had set in among some players and coaches. . . . Is there something we could do to shake people up so they don’t have the complacency?”

That’s the key word: Complacency. As in getting rid of it. Which means, obviously, that McCarthy was ultimately responsible for creating it.

It’s no surprise, especially in light of the absence of a traditional owner. Indeed, PFT has pointed out the signs and symptoms of complacency, and the friction it created, over the past several years. During the 2016 season, quarterback Aaron Rodgers complained openly about a lack of energy on the sidelines. Not long after that, he bemoaned the absence of a healthy fear of getting fired if players weren’t doing their jobs.

Both gripes trace to the head coach, and Rodgers’ willingness to openly comment on those dynamics were interpreted by some (us) as a passive-aggressive tug-of-war between Rodgers and McCarthy.

Aaron didn’t appreciate that very much. He didn’t appreciate it perhaps because the arrow hit the bull’s-eye. And Murphy has now admitted it.

It’s a bit stunning that Murphy was so candid, and it’s not a good sign for McCarthy, if as he claims he intends to return to coaching in 2020. Beyond concerns about an overly simplistic (and obsessively rigid) offensive philosophy, McCarthy will (or at least should) have to answer tough questions about how and why complacency descended onto the Packers under his watch



Yup and the one responsible is none other than Mike Tomlin. See my post at the end of the Munchak thread. Coaches who won the superbowl early with one team, rarely get back and win another (BB the exception) and NEVER after 10 years. #firemiketomlin

It’s ultimately the owner that has to see this and fix it...ours won’t.
Three head coaches in fifty years....BAYBEEEE!!!


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 Post subject: Re: The Steelers have become a complacent franchise
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Keep the heat on everyone

The flames have not died down on the airwaves

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 Post subject: Re: The Steelers have become a complacent franchise
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BethlehemSteel wrote:
Keep the heat on everyone

The flames have not died down on the airwaves

You seem to think this will matter.
:lol:


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 Post subject: Re: The Steelers have become a complacent franchise
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Jobus Rum wrote:
BethlehemSteel wrote:
Keep the heat on everyone

The flames have not died down on the airwaves

You seem to think this will matter.
:lol:


Try it

Perceptions are changing on Art 2 now that Dan has passed on

He won’t be able to ignore it much longer

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 Post subject: Re: The Steelers have become a complacent franchise
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BethlehemSteel wrote:
Yes this is where we are

Archaic thinking for the modern NFL

EMR simply is running a perception scheme

Tomlin creates a circus and side show for the past 8 years

Guess who just verbalized the same thing

The Green Bay Packers

Its you know who but let’s the comparisons rain down

We are currently here

Quote:
They staunchly denied it while Mike McCarthy served as head coach, but they’re admitting it now.
The Packers had grown satisfied, and it was time to rid the team of that feeling.

During Wednesday’s press conference introducing new coach Matt LaFleur, CEO Mark Murphy explained that he gathered information from nine players (one from each position group) regarding what the players hoped to achieve under a new coach.

“They wanted someone who would hold the players accountable,” Murphy explained. “They felt a complacency had set in among some players and coaches. . . . Is there something we could do to shake people up so they don’t have the complacency?”

That’s the key word: Complacency. As in getting rid of it. Which means, obviously, that McCarthy was ultimately responsible for creating it.

It’s no surprise, especially in light of the absence of a traditional owner. Indeed, PFT has pointed out the signs and symptoms of complacency, and the friction it created, over the past several years. During the 2016 season, quarterback Aaron Rodgers complained openly about a lack of energy on the sidelines. Not long after that, he bemoaned the absence of a healthy fear of getting fired if players weren’t doing their jobs.

Both gripes trace to the head coach, and Rodgers’ willingness to openly comment on those dynamics were interpreted by some (us) as a passive-aggressive tug-of-war between Rodgers and McCarthy.

Aaron didn’t appreciate that very much. He didn’t appreciate it perhaps because the arrow hit the bull’s-eye. And Murphy has now admitted it.

It’s a bit stunning that Murphy was so candid, and it’s not a good sign for McCarthy, if as he claims he intends to return to coaching in 2020. Beyond concerns about an overly simplistic (and obsessively rigid) offensive philosophy, McCarthy will (or at least should) have to answer tough questions about how and why complacency descended onto the Packers under his watch


BINGO

the one responsible is AR2 -- and the old habits of the Steeler franchise, to never change, and give the coaches time to succeed

But Tomfuck has been given more than enough time - he's fat and happy, and should've been fired last year....


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 Post subject: Re: The Steelers have become a complacent franchise
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Won’t ever happen

But if fans got together and said “fuck this” and stayed home.....and just a few thousand Tomlin apologists came to the games.....

A firing would happen real fast

Fans, concession sales, merchandise

As a group, fans have a lot of power

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 Post subject: Re: The Steelers have become a complacent franchise
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They are risk adverse. Shows in their drafts and shows in their decisions They have been risk adverse for a while now. I do not see that as complacent.

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 Post subject: Re: The Steelers have become a complacent franchise
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Interesting factoid...at 92.6% average capacity filled, the Steelers are ranked 26th out of the 32 teams.

Not sure how this relates to paid attendance, but thought I'd put it out there.

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 Post subject: Re: The Steelers have become a complacent franchise
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This is precisely what is going on with the Steelers, and if you don’t think so, you need to pull your head out of the Southside sand.


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 Post subject: Re: The Steelers have become a complacent franchise
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BarryFoster wrote:
Won’t ever happen

But if fans got together and said “fuck this” and stayed home.....and just a few thousand Tomlin apologists came to the games.....

A firing would happen real fast

Fans, concession sales, merchandise

As a group, fans have a lot of power



There is one owner in Pittsburgh that gets this-Mario.
Lemieux knew the Crosby/Malkin window was closing so he made bold changes. Fired three coaches, one which won a cup another took them to the finals.
Mario saw first hand what happens when the product on the playing surface is not elite during his early ownership. He has done what was needed to get to the championship level and stay there.
How refreshing when you consider what goes on on the South Side.

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 Post subject: Re: The Steelers have become a complacent franchise
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Have become? They’ve been one for a long time.


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 Post subject: Re: The Steelers have become a complacent franchise
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When Jerry Jones purchased the Cowboys, an invisible crack formed in the foundation of that franchise. Jimmy Johnson aided by the historically stupid level Vikings covered it up until those players were washed up (and Jimmy was already gone)

The Cowboys as a franchise spent the next 22 years wandering the football wilderness.

There is a crack in the foundation of the Pittsburgh Steelers organization right now. The franchise qb and the talent around him plus Munchak is covering it up


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 Post subject: Re: The Steelers have become a complacent franchise
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I'd use a different term:

ARROGANT

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 Post subject: Re: The Steelers have become a complacent franchise
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Forward this article to EMR and the minority ownership. Anyone have his email address?

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 Post subject: Re: The Steelers have become a complacent franchise
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R S wrote:
Forward this article to EMR and the minority ownership. Anyone have his email address?


He holds an "Of Counsel" position at Buchanan Ingersoll & Rooney.

His email there is art.rooney@bipc.com

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 Post subject: Re: The Steelers have become a complacent franchise
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Hard not to see this year as a turning point. The Browns have to be division favorites next year. We're a mess, Bengals are a mess, and Lamar Jackson is not an NFL QB.

I fully expect next year's division order to be 1. Browns 2. Ravens 3. Steelers 4. Bengals.

And for it to be that way until we make real changes and eventually find our heir to Ben.

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 Post subject: Re: The Steelers have become a complacent franchise
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They need to change something up. Steelers have been my passion but I find myself losing interest lately. Not because of our W/L record, but because from top to bottom this team is just tough to follow and really just unlikable. I'd gladly watch this team lose games if they decided to blow the current team and administration up. Too much dramatic bullshit for me. I watch sports as an escape. If I wanted to follow a soap opera I'd set my DVR to record Days of Our Lives. Until this team gets it's shit together I'm going to spend far less to no money on their product.

The failed drug tests. Two players showing up high to a team plane to a preseason game. The national anthem "controversy" because we couldn't get the team in unison and had 1 player out on the field while the others in the locker room. The 2 year Bell contract negotiations and hold out. The locker room video. Tomlin looking past the Jags to the Pats. Now the AB bullshit. I mean for fucks sake, what is it going to take for Rooney to make some fucking changes? 8-7-1 only hides the fact that the team is a total dumpster fire right now. This dysfunction is entirely correctable too if someone would just take the initiative to change the culture. Instead we choose a couple of schmucks to fire to make it seem like we're changing things. And for the love of Christ, how was Danny Smith not one of the fired coaches? The guy is absolutely, positively, without any doubt a liability.

We suffer from weak Ownership, a weak GM, and a weak head coach. To compound matters we don't have much in the way of locker room leaders.

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 Post subject: Re: The Steelers have become a complacent franchise
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No, no, no guys...a couple plays here and there. This team is fine.
Just ask A2.


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 Post subject: Re: The Steelers have become a complacent franchise
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need a bigger dumpster

EMR as a late arriving fireman, nothing to see here
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Little late to the party aren't we? :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: The Steelers have become a complacent franchise
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def not late....watching it crack since Mendendunce fumbled it away

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 Post subject: Re: The Steelers have become a complacent franchise
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For Ben it's been since 2006... Tomlin seeing that Ben had plenty of room fit right in there in 07.... :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: The Steelers have become a complacent franchise
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Way past complacent now. Dumpster fire or abortion are terms that suit the franchise more now.

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