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 Post subject: Bouchette On The Fan: Steelers Likely Done Making Changes
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Accidentally listened to The Fan and Ed was on with Ron Cook and Joe Starkey and said he's pretty sure the team is done making coaching changes and says that he thinks they're gonna be conservative (no shit) because they feel they were a few plays away from being a 12-4 team.

So...fuck?

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Ed has the access.

Sigh...if true...this means nothing will change.

No understanding that game management philosophy magnified the impact of those missed plays.

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Oh well, alas...... Maybe we can still split with Cleveland.


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 Post subject: Re: Bouchette On The Fan: Steelers Likely Done Making Change
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Both positions are correct:
1. team was a couple of plays from being the #1 seed in the AFC
2. choices they made on a few plays were the difference in missing the postseason

If we had finished as, say, the #2 or 3 seed, there would have been some reasons for hope... Red Zone and TD scoring, FG kicker won't be as bad next year, officiating robbery will probably even out over time, close games will likely work out more in our favor next year, defensive adjustments were made vs Patriots, defense played pretty well vs NO & LAC, after getting embarrassed by Chiefs.

IF they add the right pieces, get a positive resolution to the AB drama, and just get away from their strategy of getting into shortening the game mode with any 2nd half lead... next year could be really promising.

For those who don't think a philosophical change like that is possible with this head coach, you also thought the adjustments vs NE and getting away from ball control/shortening the game early in games would never change. Both those things clearly changed this year.
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If this AB thing isn’t handled the right way, with the schedule we face next year, I could see 8-8 maybe even 7-9.


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fortythree wrote:
...they were a few plays away from being a 12-4 team.



Whether you want to believe it or not. That is probably factual.


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Orangesteel wrote:
If this AB thing isn’t handled the right way, with the schedule we face next year, I could see 8-8 maybe even 7-9.

We need to bring him back.


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...get away from their strategy of getting into shortening the game mode with any 2nd half lead...


This is their biggest flaw philosophically. To me, in 2019 NFL football, if I'm up 16 in the 3rd quarter, I'm desperate for another TD- fast, who cares about the clock, because I feel like UP 16 WE ARE BEHIND! So you never care about the clock, nothing matters but more points ! Think about it, teams can score 2 TDs really fast today, a two score lead is TINY, not something you should feel comfortable to sit on.


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A few plays AND several mind numbingly stupid coaching decisions.

IF both issues are addressed there is reason for some optimism.

Highly doubt both issues are addressed however. I don’t think they believe there to be a problem with philosophy.

Reason for the belief is there is never any accountability. Ever. It’s always something else.

Cowher would routinely say “that was on me”.

When has Tomlin said that? Always always always the fault of something else.

He would likely defend coming home from Oakland with time outs still in pocket today if the subject were brought up.

He does not see the flaws in his own decisions and as a result will most certainly continue to make the same or similiar moronic decisions.

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 Post subject: Re: Bouchette On The Fan: Steelers Likely Done Making Change
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This theory is in direct opposition to the Tim Benz article

https://triblive.com/sports/columnists/timbenz/breakfastwithbenz/14477623-74/tim-benz-dont-kid-yourself-steelers-were-more-than-a-few-plays

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Tim Benz: Don't kid yourself. Steelers were more than 'a few plays away.'
Tim Benz | Monday, Jan. 7, 2019, 6:21 a.m.

It was maddening, wasn't it?

Viewing the NFL playoffs this weekend with no Pittsburgh Steelers game on the ledger.

Watching the Houston Texans get whitewashed at home. Seeing the Los Angeles Chargers and Baltimore Ravens trade special teams gaffes and squandered offensive opportunities. Witnessing the Colts get shut out in the second half, yet win anyway.

The Steelers could've beaten any of those teams, right?

Right?

Or maybe they would've just lost at home again to the Chargers like they did earlier this season.

As Mike Tomlin might say, "You can paint whatever picture you want."

Well, the 2018 season kind of looked like a Jackson Pollock creation. Paint splattered on a canvas creating a confusing, chaotic image.

Little known fact: That Pollock piece is actually entitled "Steelers lose in Oakland."

Fascinating.

The low-hanging rationalization is that the Steelers were a playoff-worthy team that simply endured a few bad breaks.

"There were some (games) we definitely should have won, but a couple plays here and there, that's all it takes in the NFL. You never know when they're coming," guard David DeCastro told Steelers.com.

There's been a lot of that explanation in Pittsburgh over the last week. From players, fans, some of the "team friendly" members of the media.

"The Steelers were just a few plays away."

We all know those plays.

• Chris Boswell's field-goal slip in Oakland

• The pass interference calls in New Orleans

• The missed false start against the Chargers

• Xavier Grimble's fumble around the pylon in Denver

• James Conner's fumble at Cleveland in the opening week

Don't buy that. Don't let the Steelers off the hook that easily.

For every one of those plays, there were a series of Steelers unfortunate events that allowed those games to be decided by those moments.

• Blowing a fourth-quarter lead and keeping Ben Roethlisberger on the bench in Oakland

• Allowing the Saints to convert a third-and-20 and trying a dumb fake punt. (It was dumb, no matter how hard Mike Tomlin apologists try to defend the decision)

• Blowing a 16-point second-half lead against the Chargers

• Roethlisberger's two interceptions in Denver

• Twelve penalties and five other turnovers in Cleveland

That's more than a few plays. That's a season's worth of miscues. And that's how teams with only two losses on Thanksgiving end up missing the playoffs.

It wasn't a few plays here and there. It was a bushel of tragic errors and rotten coaching decisions.

The Bears didn't leave the field defeated last night just because of Cody Parkey's "double-doink" field goal miss.

They are at home because they allowed a 12-play, fourth-quarter touchdown drive with the season on the line.

The Ravens season isn't over exclusively because of Lamar Jackson's fumble on the team's final possession. They are golfing now because of Jackson's other turnover. And Kenneth Dixon's fumble. And Justin Tucker's rare field-goal miss.

This narrative of "these Steelers were just a few plays away" stinks. Frankly, it's dangerous to advance. It makes people think that changes aren't necessary. It softens the blow of a season with potential going tragically awry.

I laugh when I hear that notion advanced. I wonder what people would've said in January 2018 when the Steelers were 13-3. What if I had advanced a theory to the tune of, "C'mon. They aren't that good. They are just a few plays away from being 9-7!"

I would've been laughed out of the room.

However, if that thinking is true this year as we attempt to mollify this team's failure, then it's similarly appropriate to marginalize its success last year. After all, they had eight wins by less than a touchdown and four by a field goal or less.

So, if they were "just unlucky because of a few bad breaks" in 2018, then they were "just lucky because of a few good breaks" in 2017.

The Jacksonville playoff finale would certainly suggest so.

Much like the results for the Bears, Ravens, Texans, and Seattle Seahawks, the final scores don't lie. Those teams are one-and-done in the playoffs and deserving of whatever criticism they are receiving today as a result.

The Steelers are none-and-done. Let's avoid giving them "a get out of jail free" card just because it makes ourselves feel better to obscure the reality of their collapse.



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 Post subject: Re: Bouchette On The Fan: Steelers Likely Done Making Change
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fortythree wrote:
Accidentally listened to The Fan and Ed was on with Ron Cook and Joe Starkey and said he's pretty sure the team is done making coaching changes and says that he thinks they're gonna be conservative (no shit) because they feel they were a few plays away from being a 12-4 team.

So...fuck?

A 12-4 team that can't hold a lead in the 4th quarter? It's pretty clear they won't fire MT so they should hire William as defensive coordinator, give MM the additional position of assistant head coach & if they don't win the SB next year give Tomlin the position of head coach emeritus.


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I wouldn't hang my hat on the NE win as a reason Tomlin should be back. We won that game because they actually played worse than we did for the first time in BB's career as their coach. We certainly didn't win because of the game plan.

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 Post subject: Re: Bouchette On The Fan: Steelers Likely Done Making Change
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We' be fine.

They'll hire a dedicated replay challenge specialist because Tomlin sucks at that.
They'll hire a timeout specialist because Tomlin sucks at that.
They'll hire a therapist to handle the locker room drama because Tomlin sucks at that.
They'll hire an assistant HC to handle in-game management decisions because Tomlin sucks at that.

They may even hire him a personal ass wiper, just like in 'Coming to America.'

All Hail Pope Tomlin!

The less he has to do, the better off we are.


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 Post subject: Re: Bouchette On The Fan: Steelers Likely Done Making Change
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955876 wrote:
Cowher would routinely say “that was on me”.



But he still didn't change much, change was slow, it took him a decade to realize that being good at passing was pretty important, and it took Tommy Maddox to come from the XFL cheap to allow that to happen, and even then, story goes he had to be forced by Dan Rooney to draft Ben over an OT or a DB.


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 Post subject: Re: Bouchette On The Fan: Steelers Likely Done Making Change
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955876 wrote:
A few plays AND several mind numbingly stupid coaching decisions.

IF both issues are addressed there is reason for some optimism.

Highly doubt both issues are addressed however. I don’t think they believe there to be a problem with philosophy.

Reason for the belief is there is never any accountability. Ever. It’s always something else.

Cowher would routinely say “that was on me”.

When has Tomlin said that? Always always always the fault of something else.

He would likely defend coming home from Oakland with time outs still in pocket today if the subject were brought up.

He does not see the flaws in his own decisions and as a result will most certainly continue to make the same or similiar moronic decisions.

Yeah, and IF my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle. Nothing will change and this team will be extremely lucky to have a winning record to extend Tomlin's "streak" Fuck me...
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WGAF if we were, or were not, a “few plays away”.

The fact is we didn’t make those plays; we blew far more than we didn’t, and here we are. How bad is the AFC? Did you watch those opening games?

One of the good things about that article posted above is that it is nice seeing a Pollock and a list how our colossal fuck ups this year.

Tomlin is a sloppy ass coach, and in turn, his team is sloppy. We didn’t belong in the post season because we have a bunch of mistake and turnover-prone assholes on this team.

Is Art at all concerned with changing that? If so, who is going to take the lead on that change? Tomlin? Haha.


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 Post subject: Re: Bouchette On The Fan: Steelers Likely Done Making Change
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Nick79 wrote:
955876 wrote:
Cowher would routinely say “that was on me”.



But he still didn't change much, change was slow, it took him a decade to realize that being good at passing was pretty important, and it took Tommy Maddox to come from the XFL cheap to allow that to happen, and even then, story goes he had to be forced by Dan Rooney to draft Ben over an OT or a DB.


Tomlin has been here 12 years. Still does the same dumb shit and makes the same sub-optimal decisions he did as a green ass rookie coach.

I’d argue he’s actually gotten worse over the years.


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bradshaw2ben wrote:
Both positions are correct:
1. team was a couple of plays from being the #1 seed in the AFC
2. choices they made on a few plays were the difference in missing the postseason

If we had finished as, say, the #2 or 3 seed, there would have been some reasons for hope... Red Zone and TD scoring, FG kicker won't be as bad next year, officiating robbery will probably even out over time, close games will likely work out more in our favor next year, defensive adjustments were made vs Patriots, defense played pretty well vs NO & LAC, after getting embarrassed by Chiefs.

IF they add the right pieces, get a positive resolution to the AB drama, and just get away from their strategy of getting into shortening the game mode with any 2nd half lead... next year could be really promising.

For those who don't think a philosophical change like that is possible with this head coach, you also thought the adjustments vs NE and getting away from ball control/shortening the game early in games would never change. Both those things clearly changed this year.
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No- there/s no chance, B2B.

The fact those few plays hurt so much is a DIRECT RESULT of the philosophy...they are linked, not separate issues.

And there’s zero indication Mike Tomlin understands this.

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Nick79 wrote:
955876 wrote:
Cowher would routinely say “that was on me”.



But he still didn't change much, change was slow, it took him a decade to realize that being good at passing was pretty important, and it took Tommy Maddox to come from the XFL cheap to allow that to happen, and even then, story goes he had to be forced by Dan Rooney to draft Ben over an OT or a DB.


In 1995, when he couldn’t get the running game untracked, Cowher let Chan Gailey cut loose with the five wide and also Slash Stewart.

Ron Erhardt pretty much quit because of that.

Cowher adapted more than he was given credit for.

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 Post subject: Re: Bouchette On The Fan: Steelers Likely Done Making Change
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955876 wrote:
Nick79 wrote:
955876 wrote:
Cowher would routinely say “that was on me”.



But he still didn't change much, change was slow, it took him a decade to realize that being good at passing was pretty important, and it took Tommy Maddox to come from the XFL cheap to allow that to happen, and even then, story goes he had to be forced by Dan Rooney to draft Ben over an OT or a DB.


Tomlin has been here 12 years. Still does the same dumb shit and makes the same sub-optimal decisions he did as a green ass rookie coach.

I’d argue he’s actually gotten worse over the years.

I agree with you.

When it comes to football, he's not a deep thinker. I feel like the offensive schemes and the defenses are simplistic.

To me anyways, our offense seems to stall, until they seem to me anyways to just say, "OK Ben, we need to win now, go play street ball, AB run to the Chevy then streak to the ice cream truck".


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Nick79 wrote:
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...they were a few plays away from being a 12-4 team.



Whether you want to believe it or not. That is probably factual.

It may be true but it is also true that they were just a few plays away from 4-12. The only games we weren’t in any real danger of losing were Atlanta, Cleveland 2, Carolina & maybe Baltimore 2 (though that ended as a 1 score game):

Cleveland 1 - That tie could have easily been a loss
Tampa - They came close to coming back & beating us
Cincy 1 - We were behind with less than a minute to play
Jags - Nuff said
Pats - One score game
Bungles 2 - trailed late

Last year they found a way to win almost all of the close ones - this year they effectively split them.

In the end Parcells' quote sums up our season & situation as good any anything

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Let’s face it, almost every team can say a few plays here & there that went in their favor would have resulted in a better season but they always forget the few that added wins.

You either think you are heading in the right direction or you don’t. Apparently based on the moves made Deuce thinks things are fine to slide backwards.

By contrast I submit Dabo Swinney who made tough decisions when needed:

https://www.si.com/college-football/201 ... 2CAN%22%7d

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The first such decision came moments after he became the interim coach, when he fired offensive coordinator Rob Spence and decided that he and 29-year-old assistant Billy Napier would handle the play-calling. Another came a little more than two years later after Clemson’s offense had cratered and a 6–7 season in 2010 placed Swinney on the hot seat heading into ’11. Swinney fired Napier and hired Tulsa offensive coordinator Chad Morris, who was only one year removed from coaching high school ball in Texas. “When he did that, I said, ‘He’s got a chance,’ ” former boss Bowden says. “Because he can make the tough decisions.” When Swinney fired Napier, he also fired running backs coach Andre Powell. Swinney replaced Powell with former Clemson walk-on receiver Tony Elliott, who eventually would replace Morris as the Tigers’ play-caller when Morris got his first head coaching job at SMU following the 2014 season.

After Clemson closed a 10–4 season in 2011 by getting torched 70–33 by West Virginia in the Orange Bowl, Swinney fired defensive coordinator Kevin Steele. Steele eventually would become an excellent coordinator in the SEC, but at the time he struggled against the spread offenses taking over the game. Swinney hired Brent Venables away from Oklahoma. At Clemson, Venables became the first coordinator in the country to figure out how to run a dominant defense opposite an up-tempo, spread offense. That success attracted top-shelf players. In ’15, Clemson signed Wilkins, Ferrell and Bryant and a four-star defensive tackle named Albert Huggins (more on him later).


IMHO Key changes are needed for the Steelers, not just the window dressing we’ve seen over the last week…… heavy sigh !!!


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because they feel they were a few plays away from being a 12-4 team.

Nothing will change, they think they’re there, just unfortunate. We do what we do...organizational philosophy.
Fuck me sideways... :roll:

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Tomlin doesnt think you need to out strategize the opponent, he thinks if you execute said play precisley, it wont matter if the defense knows whats coming, iron sharpens iron...its all part of his attrition style, close football games philosophy, a philosophy that more often times than not comes back to expose his glaring game mgmt flaws and bites all of us in the ass,,,every year for 12 years...there is no learning because he knows his way is the right way..if only a refs call had gone our way..if only boseell kicked better..hes just fucking clueless.

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Tomlin doesnt think you need to out strategize the opponent, he thinks if you execute said play precisley, it wont matter if the defense knows whats coming, iron sharpens iron...its all part of his attrition style, close football games philosophy, a philosophy that more often times than not comes back to expose his glaring game mgmt flaws and bites all of us in the ass,,,every year for 12 years...there is no learning because he knows his way is the right way..if only a refs call had gone our way..if only boseell kicked better..hes just fucking clueless.


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How the fuck is Danny Smith still employed? Answer that one, B2B!

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