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 Post subject: Re: steelers looking at new punters
PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 11:32 am 
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Berry needs to be replaced. We need to start winning the field position battle.

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 Post subject: Re: steelers looking at new punters
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But he's the holder so FG percentage may drop off if we get rid of Berry. /Sarcasm


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 Post subject: Re: steelers looking at new punters
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They had a punter in camp that had the second highest net in all of preseason, and in limited real-game action also looked good....and now has gone on to look good for the Vikings.

They let him go.

ST coach should be fired if they're looking for a punter now.

I'm not kidding.

This is fucking ridiculous.



Mentioned in another thread that Tomlin even alluded to the fact that the position wasn't secure late in the preseason. Struggling to understand the grading standard.


The standard is obvious. They keep crappy vets over rookie talent. Complacency is the standard with kickers.

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Seemed to me last season's ST's production wasn't in the shitter. Or perhaps it's just been so bad for so long I was misguided by a few good games?

Or maybe you're looking at last year through this year's lens. After these first two games, last year looks amazing.


I'd say I'd be happy to end up with last year's record, but that went out the window when you tie with the freaking Cleveland Clowns.

Where's Bobby April when you need him?


I believe he was available last year, but we had to stick with The Winged God of Inadequacy Danny Farmer.

Things don't appear to reach the point of urgency with Fraudlin unless his ass is on fire.

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 Post subject: Re: steelers looking at new punters
PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:16 pm 
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Berry needs replaced. He was mediocre last year, bad in preseason, and awful through two games. I watched him punt in pregame on Sunday and he is really struggling. Hit one off the side of the foot that went out of bounds after about 30 yards. Hit another completely wrong and it went about 20. Watching him vs the Chiefs punter in warm ups it was painfully obvious one guy didn’t belong on that field and it played out that way in the game.


He needed to be replaced before the season started, as it was painfully obvious during the preseason that he didn't belong on the field. I'm pretty sure I wasn't the only one who posted here that he was threat to be a difference maker in the wrong direction once it counted. The fact that they already had a preferable alternative in camp makes it even worse. Inexcusable.


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Berry needs replaced. He was mediocre last year, bad in preseason, and awful through two games. I watched him punt in pregame on Sunday and he is really struggling. Hit one off the side of the foot that went out of bounds after about 30 yards. Hit another completely wrong and it went about 20. Watching him vs the Chiefs punter in warm ups it was painfully obvious one guy didn’t belong on that field and it played out that way in the game.


He needed to be replaced before the season started, as it was painfully obvious during the preseason that he didn't belong on the field. I'm pretty sure I wasn't the only one who posted here that he was threat to be a difference maker in the wrong direction once it counted. The fact that they already had a preferable alternative in camp makes it even worse. Inexcusable.



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 Post subject: Re: steelers looking at new punters
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And it’s just further evidence of how handicapped we are because of coaching and talent evaluation. Can a competent punter win you a game? You bet your ass. In fact, through two weeks I’ve seen the Seahawks nearly win both games not because of their offense (which sucks) or their defense (which is decent) but because their punter is absolutely killing it out there and giving them a field position advantage.

I think I read the Steelers are DEAD last on average starting field position. Our coach completely ignored what appeared to be an obvious position battle in camp and picked this dipshit on our team now.

Meanwhile Wile looks like a very solid punter punting for a very solid team not named the Steelers.

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 Post subject: Re: steelers looking at new punters
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And it’s just further evidence of how handicapped we are because of coaching and talent evaluation. Can a competent punter win you a game? You bet your ass. In fact, through two weeks I’ve seen the Seahawks nearly win both games not because of their offense (which sucks) or their defense (which is decent) but because their punter is absolutely killing it out there and giving them a field position advantage.

I think I read the Steelers are DEAD last on average starting field position. Our coach completely ignored what appeared to be an obvious position battle in camp and picked this dipshit on our team now.

Meanwhile Wile looks like a very solid punter punting for a very solid team not named the Steelers.

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It’s sad when every single, slightly educated fan can see a positional deficiency that Capt Cliche can’t.....amazing.

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 Post subject: Re: steelers looking at new punters
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you know. if the preseason punter was even close to berry in ability and showed flashes of upgrade why not go with him anyhow? u already know berry is shit. why repeat the same shit? I know im preaching to the choir!


Choosing between the average to below average, known veteran player................ or the potential upside of a younger player, showing promising skills, with salary cap savings and infusion of youth to the roster.
Pattern.

Its why DHB ............ANNNNNND Hunter,
are both on the roster over getting some youth with more upside like Tevin Jones or Trey Griffey as the #5 or #6 WR.

All due respect Stosh both Patterson and Marcus Tucker were injured. Both had a legit chance at making the roster. Heyward-Bey Did his usual disappearing act and is still on a milk carton somewhere. Hunter did his patent 'I'll do just enough to keep them interested' and then I'll go hang out with Heyward-Bey in the Bermuda Triangle.


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 Post subject: Re: steelers looking at new punters
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The real irony here, that seems to be lost on many, is that the #1 reason why Tomlin did NOT want to make a change from Berry is that he did not want to mess with the holder for the extra points and field goals.

It probably kept him up at night. Tomlin probably had nightmares of a new punter, a new holder screwing the pooch and Boz starts to miss and go wide!

So, of course what happens? Tomlin living in his fears, risk averse, keeps Berry and Boz starts to miss extra points and field goals anyway!!!!

Sometimes Tomlin can't get out of his own way. The real tragedy here is that if Tomlin had kept Wiley at $555,000 and cut Berry and his $1.907 million, the team would have been $1.352 Million more under the cap.

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 Post subject: Re: steelers looking at new punters
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Berry makes nearly $2 mil??? Holy shit!

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The real irony here, that seems to be lost on many, is that the #1 reason why Tomlin did NOT want to make a change from Berry is that he did not want to mess with the holder for the extra points and field goals.

It probably kept him up at night. Tomlin probably had nightmares of a new punter, a new holder screwing the pooch and Boz starts to miss and go wide!

So, of course what happens? Tomlin living in his fears, risk averse, keeps Berry and Boz starts to miss extra points and field goals anyway!!!!

Sometimes Tomlin can't get out of his own way. The real tragedy here is that if Tomlin had kept Wiley at $555,000 and cut Berry and his $1.907 million, the team would have been $1.352 Million more under the cap.

If any of this is actually true...if Aviators kept the inferior punter due to holding for kicks, then he should be fired tonight(over reacting for effect)!
I understand that there needs to be a chemistry between kicker, holder, and snapper, but I’ve seen high school kids learn to be efficient holders in one day. That’s what practice is for.
These guys are specialists. What are they doing during practice if not working on their craft? Sitting on a bucket, sipping Gatorade and playing Candy Crush Saga?

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 Post subject: Re: steelers looking at new punters
PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 8:10 pm 
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Last week for Berry IMO


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 Post subject: Re: steelers looking at new punters
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Last week for Berry IMO



Until he punts one this week and gets a nice roll and it registers as a 59 yarder.


Then they'll keep him longer.


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 Post subject: Re: steelers looking at new punters
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Not that I'm defending berry or the decision to keep him, but shit sometimes hits the fan unexpectedly/ players get in a funk. Berry seemed to be adequate last year - enough to boot what's his name to the gints. Boz has fucked up massively. Do we start looking for a new PK?

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 Post subject: Re: steelers looking at new punters
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Not that I'm defending berry or the decision to keep him, but shit sometimes hits the fan unexpectedly/ players get in a funk. Berry seemed to be adequate last year - enough to boot what's his name to the gints. Boz has fucked up massively. Do we start looking for a new PK?


Berry was barely adequate and often not.
Boz was great.

Your analogy is shit.

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 Post subject: Re: steelers looking at new punters
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Berry needs to be replaced. We need to start winning the field position battle.


This defense is not talented enough to withstand added pressure.

We need clean games as far as...

Good solid punting and ST coverage. No long returns by our opponent.

No TOs inside our RZ


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 Post subject: Re: steelers looking at new punters
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Berry sucked last year too. Ranked 31 in Avg and Brad Wing sucked too (dude that went to the Giants). He ranked 23. They flip/flop with each other for net yds.

I can't believe this team has continually marched out such below average punters year after year. Every one of these guys was ranked 23 or below for avg.

Brad Wing
Drew Butler
Zoltan Mesko
Mat McBriar
Jeremy Kapinos

This team always has had to rely on Ben to flip field position because these guys couldn't (can't).


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 Post subject: Re: steelers looking at new punters
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Berry sucked last year too. Ranked 31 in Avg and Brad Wing sucked too (dude that went to the Giants). He ranked 23. They flip/flop with each other for net yds.

I can't believe this team has continually marched out such below average punters year after year. Every one of these guys was ranked 23 or below for avg.

Brad Wing
Drew Butler
Zoltan Mesko
Mat McBriar
Jeremy Kapinos

This team always has had to rely on Ben to flip field position because these guys couldn't (can't).
Fair enough. But I guess Brad Wing was good enough for the Giants last year, so I guess Tomlin isn't the only idiot that used him.

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 Post subject: Re: steelers looking at new punters
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COR-TEN wrote:
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Berry sucked last year too. Ranked 31 in Avg and Brad Wing sucked too (dude that went to the Giants). He ranked 23. They flip/flop with each other for net yds.

I can't believe this team has continually marched out such below average punters year after year. Every one of these guys was ranked 23 or below for avg.

Brad Wing
Drew Butler
Zoltan Mesko
Mat McBriar
Jeremy Kapinos

This team always has had to rely on Ben to flip field position because these guys couldn't (can't).
Fair enough. But I guess Brad Wing was good enough for the Giants last year, so I guess Tomlin isn't the only idiot that used him.


Well, to be fair, Tomlin is still a head coach. Ben McAdoo is back to selling lane oil to bowling alleys.


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 Post subject: Re: steelers looking at new punters
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Havoc wrote:
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Berry needs to be replaced. We need to start winning the field position battle.


This defense is not talented enough to withstand added pressure.

We need clean games as far as...

Good solid punting and ST coverage. No long returns by our opponent.

No TOs inside our RZ


This 100%. We can't continue to put ourselves at a situational disadvantage. Have to replace Berry and hopefully this week.

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 Post subject: Re: steelers looking at new punters
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Berry indeed sucks, but it's ironic that he made the play of the game against the chiefs and gave them a chance to win.

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 Post subject: Re: steelers looking at new punters
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Anyone have any word on who they tried out and what the result was?


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Anyone have any word on who they tried out and what the result was?



Steelers tried out punters Jeff Locke (UCLA) and Justin Vogel (Miami) as well as LS Nick Meadows (WVU).


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 Post subject: Re: steelers looking at new punters
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14Thumb wrote:
Berry sucked last year too. Ranked 31 in Avg and Brad Wing sucked too (dude that went to the Giants). He ranked 23. They flip/flop with each other for net yds.

I can't believe this team has continually marched out such below average punters year after year. Every one of these guys was ranked 23 or below for avg.

Brad Wing
Drew Butler
Zoltan Mesko
Mat McBriar
Jeremy Kapinos

This team always has had to rely on Ben to flip field position because these guys couldn't (can't).

But the name Zoltan is too awesome not to have given him a try.


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[quote][quote="Poltargyst"][quote="14Thumb"]Berry sucked last year too. Ranked 31 in Avg and Brad Wing sucked too (dude that went to the Giants). He ranked 23. They flip/flop with each other for net yds.

I can't believe this team has continually marched out such below average punters year after year. Every one of these guys was ranked 23 or below for avg.

Brad Wing
Drew Butler
Zoltan Mesko
Mat McBriar
Jeremy Kapinos

Please don't forget, PS did try to address this with Sepulveda. Had that worked out we'd still be set at punter. Remember the guy who thought he was a linebacker? This just brings up one of my pet-peeves is coaching and especially scouting. I'm sure they heard about his knee, but were impressed with his foot.


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