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 Post subject: Re: JC > LB
PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:44 pm 
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James Washington needed to sit one game while a less talented and trusted vet got his chance. ( Hunter )

Not sure of what the mind chart says on this, but maybe Samuels needs 2 games or more ( Switz )

I think Switz is a nice upgrade at punt and kick off returns from last year, last 6-7 years.

But would like to think Samuels is a better all around weapon as second or third back into game.
After all he did get a pretty good workload in Pre-season. Played in all 4 games, 28 carries.

Didn't Ridley get some good snaps in pre-season too.
Didn't he carry the ball 26 times for over 100 yards with the PS last year.

How we went from Connor getting 31 carries and 36 touches.....to the extreme of having Switz as the second man in and back-up running back.
I do not think he played any pre-season games with the Steelers.



Its just beyond comprehension.


It’s so Tomlin - - - signing Switzer as the PR/KR was a great move and one Tomlin should be applauded for. Good Tomlin.

Then we tie Cleveland and the only other guy who got a carry that game was Switzer and for shit. Does anyone fear Switzer as a running back? Fuck no. Bad Tomlin.


Yea I don't mind Switz as an OCCASIONAL guy in the backfield, but they've tried him twice in consecutive weeks. He reminds me of Chris Rainey when he runs the ball. Glad to have him as a WR and Returner though. After 4 yrs looks like Tomlin FINALLY learned his lesson


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 Post subject: Re: JC > LB
PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:48 pm 
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I like Switz a lot on punt returns. Think he has some potential on this offense.

In the past I would have preferred a longer strider on KO returns but due to less KO returns in the league I don't really care.


I've not seen anything from Switzer that convinces me he should get RB/WR snaps.

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 Post subject: Re: JC > LB
PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:50 pm 
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John Connor on his best day....I mean everything is perfect.

Could not carry Bells stinky smelly jockstrap.

Connor's lack of vision and questionable ball security make the comparison moronic IMO

Bell greatness is taken for granted by Steelers fans.

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 Post subject: Re: JC > LB
PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:55 pm 
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Bell greatness is taken for granted by Steelers fans.


I don't think that's the case- AT ALL

Everyone knows Bell is a great RB, elite.
But when you look at the results and stat lines you can reasonable conclude that the production of the featured back is more a function of the OLine vs anything else.

Conner is a very average back but yet he's putting up some damn good #'s. Hmmm...wonder why...


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 Post subject: Re: JC > LB
PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:07 pm 
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I don't think that's the case- AT ALL


4 threads at this site started by 4 different posters stating Connor is better than Bell.

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Everyone knows Bell is a great RB, elite.


Actually they dont or I would not have posted what I did.

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But when you look at the results and stat lines you can reasonable conclude that the production of the featured back is more a function of the OLine vs anything else.


Trust me I love Oline play...And I give the Steelers Oline plenty of credit. IMO Bell would have rushed for 40-60 yards more against the Chiefs than Connor. Connor's lack of vision is staggering. 8 rushes 16 yards?

Does Ben Brown Juju make Bell's job easier....Yes. It also can be said Bell makes Brown Ben and Juju job easier

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 Post subject: Re: JC > LB
PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:15 pm 
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Trust me I love Oline play...And I give the Steelers Oline plenty of credit. IMO Bell would have rushed for 40-60 yards more against the Chiefs than Connor. Connor's lack of vision is staggering. 8 rushes 16 yards?


I agree that Bell likely rushes for more yards than what Conner has (and will) produced, but at some point those yards become marginal. Because yards DO NOT EQUAL points

Bell doesn't make it in the EZ as often as he should and that's a problem, especially with a team that has significant RZ problems.

Bell makes the Steelers better but not significantly so. RB's are fungible when you have a good Oline.


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 Post subject: Re: JC > LB
PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:24 pm 
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Who’s Connor?


The Highlander!

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 Post subject: Re: JC > LB
PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:26 pm 
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Is Bell better than Conner? Yes, absolutely. To me, it comes down to a cost/benefit for paying Bell so much money.

I personally don't view it as "Bell vs. Conner"; I view it as "Bell vs. Conner & Patrick Peterson"; or Bell vs. Conner & Carlos Dunlap; or Bell vs Conner & Luke Kuechly. For the money saved in not signing Bell, the Steelers can go after a premier defensive player. Every guy I just listed would cost less than Bell is asking.

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 Post subject: Re: JC > LB
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Conner had 9.6 Y/R in the passing game which does not include a spectacular catch he made not in bounds.


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 Post subject: Re: JC > LB
PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:33 pm 
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FC wrote:
John Connor on his best day....I mean everything is perfect.

Could not carry Bells stinky smelly jockstrap.

Connor's lack of vision and questionable ball security make the comparison moronic IMO

Bell greatness is taken for granted by Steelers fans.


So much this. JC has shown to be an NFL caliber back. LB has a chance to be a HOFer. As for the “more points” argument, that’s on coaches not LB.


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 Post subject: Re: JC > LB
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Havoc wrote:
Conner had 9.6 Y/R in the passing game which does not include a spectacular catch he made not in bounds.


I still think he caught that. 1 foot and 1 hand in bounds. Great catch.


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 Post subject: Re: JC > LB
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Baltostiller wrote:
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Conner had 9.6 Y/R in the passing game which does not include a spectacular catch he made not in bounds.


I still think he caught that. 1 foot and 1 hand in bounds. Great catch.


More to the point the knee hit in bounds.


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 Post subject: Re: JC > LB
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This offense is averaging 28 pts/g after 2 games without Bell and that includes a downpour for part of the game in cleveland (plus 1 extra quarter)


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 Post subject: Re: JC > LB
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 Post subject: Re: JC > LB
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Steel Mike wrote:
Who’s Connor?


The running back with fumbling issues going back to college

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 Post subject: Re: JC > LB
PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:14 pm 
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FC wrote:
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The running back with fumbling issues going back to college

Yeah, he's just like the Bus. If it weren't for JB's fumbling issues, he would have been a great rb. That fumble on the goal line against the Colts sealed it for me. Why didn't we trade Bettis after that? Obviously, you can't fumble in a situation like that. If it weren't for Ben's miraculous shoe string tackle, we lose that game, and the subsequent SB. Bettis was a bum. Fat, slow, couldn't hang on to the ball when it mattered. What a waste of a roster space. We should have learned from that mistake and never drafted Connor in the first place.

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 Post subject: Re: JC > LB
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Who’s Connor?


The running back with fumbling issues going back to college

Yeah, he's just like the Bus. If it weren't for JB's fumbling issues, he would have been a great rb. That fumble on the goal line against the Colts sealed it for me. Why didn't we trade Bettis after that? Obviously, you can't fumble in a situation like that. If it weren't for Ben's miraculous shoe string tackle, we lose that game, and the subsequent SB. Bettis was a bum. Fat, slow, couldn't hang on to the ball when it mattered. What a waste of a roster space. We should have learned from that mistake and never drafted Connor in the first place.


I understand the sarcasm...And at no point did I compare Conner to another NFL back. Since you asked

John Conner is a poor mans version of Tim Worley

He should not be mentioned in the same breathe as Bettis

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 Post subject: Re: JC > LB
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John Conner


Is he here to lead the resistance against Skynet?

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 Post subject: Re: JC > LB
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John Conner


Is he here to lead the resistance against Skynet?


No, that would be John Connor.

John Conner is the poor schmuck that gets lit-up in a nightclub because Skynet can't spell.

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 Post subject: Re: JC > LB
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Bell now removed from the roster.


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Bell now removed from the roster.
ill go out on a limb and posit Bell will no longer be a steeler from this point forward. As far as I remember, no steeler has held out two games and joined the roster in good faith. Someone correct me if I’m wrong.

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 Post subject: Re: JC > LB
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Bell now removed from the roster.
ill go out on a limb and posit Bell will no longer be a steeler from this point forward. As far as I remember, no steeler has held out two games and joined the roster in good faith. Someone correct me if I’m wrong.

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 Post subject: Re: JC > LB
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Bell now removed from the roster.
ill go out on a limb and posit Bell will no longer be a steeler from this point forward. As far as I remember, no steeler has held out two games and joined the roster in good faith. Someone correct me if I’m wrong.

Rod Woodson.


Sign him up at CB or S.


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Bell now removed from the roster.
ill go out on a limb and posit Bell will no longer be a steeler from this point forward. As far as I remember, no steeler has held out two games and joined the roster in good faith. Someone correct me if I’m wrong.

Never see the field again as a Steeler, I agree. Never a Steeler? I wouldn’t be surprised if they tag him again next year out of spite.


Does anyone else think Bell has put on some pounds from the wave runner video?

What is all this talk about Connor doesn’t have vision? Did you all see that spin move against two Chefs? If he can see that, the rest will come. I think we have a pretty good RB coach who will help him pause at black and get to day light. He needs games under his belt, and confidence that he is the bell cow.


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 Post subject: Re: JC > LB
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I'm going to continue to pound this drum...

This offense will keep rolling without Bell sans a dumpster fire at the rb position. No dumpster fire (yet at least).

2017... 26.4 ppg
2018... 28 ppg

2017... 5th in Pts/Dr
2018... 15th in Pts/Dr. We were 25th after the cleveland hurricane plus the extra possessions in OT without scoring. We jumped 10 spots after game 2.

I expect Pts/Dr to keep climbing sans key injuries.

Arguably the best stretch of offense we ever had since the drafting of Bell was without Bell on the field...

In 2015 during the stretch of games DWill started and finished Oak thru Balt we averaged 30+ ppg. And that includes the loss in Baltimore when we reverted to our play it close to the vest attrition annual dumbfest only scoring 17 pts. We ran the offense differently during the first half of those games sans the attrition dumbfest than we usually did with Bell. It was more dangerous, more dynamic, and most importantly scored more points.


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