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 Post subject: Re: Fichtner/Tomlin screwed up
PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:36 am 
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Switzer got a underneath handoff in the first half,conner should of been more than rested.


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 Post subject: Re: Fichtner/Tomlin screwed up
PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:40 am 
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They should have given Conner some rest even though Tomtom wants to run the wheels off. He doesn't take any responsibility and says Conner can handle a heavy work load. Right!

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OC Randy Fichtner on James Conner getting all the RB snaps vs Browns: "Thats on the young coordinator. I shoulda got the other running backs in there."


Baby steps boys.
One step at a time.
Admitting a problem is the first step.

I am encouraged a bit, because this admission of taking the wrong approach and looking to change is not something that will come out of Tomlins mouth.
His stubbornness at failure to change and adapt, is prouder than playing winning football.
How can he back down from his proud and clever.............."Run the wheels off" mantra. Would certainly take the sting out of his clever comments.
I put the prick Haley in the same ilk, as he too was thick headed and obtuse to change and adapt.

If Fitch is putting it out there, I expect to see at least Ridley and hopefully Samuels for a few snaps.
How does he not........and then answer questions after he spelled it out.

Good signs.

I am sure Tomlin is working hard on some new clever lines, rather than a clever game plan.

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 Post subject: Re: Fichtner/Tomlin screwed up
PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:41 am 
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"Young Offensive Coordinator" WTF?? Fichtner graduated from Purdue in 1985 and has been a full time coach since 1989.

It's not like he's some 29 year old just figuring things out.


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 Post subject: Re: Fichtner/Tomlin screwed up
PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:28 am 
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Baltostiller wrote:
"Young Offensive Coordinator" WTF?? Fichtner graduated from Purdue in 1985 and has been a full time coach since 1989.

It's not like he's some 29 year old just figuring things out.


Yeah that was a weird comment. Young coordinator? Has he watched a football game where one or both teams use a variety of backs? The dude has been on football sidelines pretty much his entire adult life.


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 Post subject: Re: Fichtner/Tomlin screwed up
PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:32 am 
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No wonder our backs have nothing left in the tank come playoff time.


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 Post subject: Re: Fichtner/Tomlin screwed up
PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:33 am 
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Yeah, but come on fellas, this is his first ever season being an offensive coordinator in the NFL calling the plays, designing the offense, etc.

The last time he was an offensive coordinator, calling the plays, designing the offense was 2006 in college at Memphis, that was 12 years ago. Give the guy a break, he IS a relatively inexperienced offensive coordinator, and he is learning as he goes, he really is figuring things out.

And remember he is wearing two hats, he is the offensive coordinator and the Quarterbacks coach. Most teams have an OC and QB coach and don't put pressure on one coach to do both. Hell, there have been instances where many NFL teams will have an OC, a QB coach and then even another coach, like for example Todd Haley when he was in Dallas with Parcels and Romo, he was the passing game coordinator.

Steelers are really doing no favors to Fitchner expecting him to do all of that alone.

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 Post subject: Re: Fichtner/Tomlin screwed up
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I’m giving fitchner slack. OC for the Steelers is a job some poor sucker in the world has to take.

What I’m looking to see is if tomlin is truly hands off which I think he mostly is especially with offense, then Randy really has to step up himself himself.

I mean it seems very obvious an OC would want to score shit tons of points. Assuming the OL and Ben play reasonably well there’s no reason this offense shouldn’t be threatening every possession.


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 Post subject: Re: Fichtner/Tomlin screwed up
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Tomtom is a defensive genius. Let him concentrate on that.


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 Post subject: Re: Fichtner/Tomlin screwed up
PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:36 am 
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Again, focus on how the line has changed as opposed to what was said and take that as a sign of heat being applied from somewhere.

On Sunday the line was, from both Tomlin and Fichtner, “Connor can take all those carries...he gets stronger with all those carries”.

On Thursday we’re hearing “My bad...I should have been rotating the other guys in”.

Something has changed in those four days.

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 Post subject: Re: Fichtner/Tomlin screwed up
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Don't know why I have to point this out again, but what Mike Tomlin says at pressers is not for public consumption. It has little to no correlation with the facts... and I am down with that.

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 Post subject: Re: Fichtner/Tomlin screwed up
PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 12:32 pm 
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OC Randy Fichtner on James Conner getting all the RB snaps vs Browns: "Thats on the young coordinator. I shoulda got the other running backs in there."
Horseshit! How in the hell are you going to say something so arbitrary and expect fans to believe you? You know who the fuck is on your roster, who's active and who's not. Laughable!


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 Post subject: Re: Fichtner/Tomlin screwed up
PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 12:38 pm 
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Steelergenie wrote:
No wonder our backs have nothing left in the tank come playoff time.


Can't really buy this, 3 of the last 4 playoff games for Bell he has been a monster, has also had huge games late in the season last few years as well (Buff and Balt xmas day game come to mind) the one bad playoff game he had was the Pats when he got injured...


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 Post subject: Re: Fichtner/Tomlin screwed up
PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 12:46 pm 
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Jeemie wrote:
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Exactly. Which is why...
"OC Randy Fichtner on James Conner getting all the RB snaps vs Browns: "Thats on the young coordinator. I shoulda got the other running backs in there."

...is pure bullshit


What this tells you is somewhere, the coaching staff is getting heat for the run the wheels off philosophy because on Sunday after the game, both Tomlin and Fichtner were intimating Connor getting all the carries was by design.


The refusal to have any sort of RB rotation is a longstanding Tomlin problem. Remember, in 2014 it caused LeGarrette Blount to force himself off the team due to his lack of playing time, which resulted in Tomlin never signing an adequate backup- why bother, because he wasn't going to be playing anyways- and leaving us with no one after Bell was injured against the Bengals. We went into the Ravens game stating Ben Tate, a street free agent, and were completely without a running game. Looking back on it, that series of events was what made me first start questioning Tomlin and his judgment.

Le'veon Bell's holdout has finally put this Tomlin quirk into the spotlight. The fact that Tomlin & Co. couldn't resist giving Conner 36 touches when everyone was taking notice of this issue only served to highlight the depth of the problem. Now that it's being questioned publicly by a media that usually gives Tomlin a free pass, he's making his OC fall on his sword. I'm convinced that Tomlin doesn't think that he did anything wrong and has never second guessed his "run their wheels off" philosophy.


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 Post subject: Re: Fichtner/Tomlin screwed up
PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 12:49 pm 
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Jeemie wrote:
Again, focus on how the line has changed as opposed to what was said and take that as a sign of heat being applied from somewhere.

On Sunday the line was, from both Tomlin and Fichtner, “Connor can take all those carries...he gets stronger with all those carries”.

On Thursday we’re hearing “My bad...I should have been rotating the other guys in”.

Something has changed in those four days.


The media coverage of the issue- spurred on and amplified by the ramifications the "run the wheels off" philosophy has on the Bell holdout- has made the Rooneys take notice, so Tomlin's having his assistant fall on his sword. Pretty petty move by Tomlin, but I guess he's unused to media criticism.


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 Post subject: Re: Fichtner/Tomlin screwed up
PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 1:26 pm 
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W&M_Steeler wrote:
Jeemie wrote:
Again, focus on how the line has changed as opposed to what was said and take that as a sign of heat being applied from somewhere.

On Sunday the line was, from both Tomlin and Fichtner, “Connor can take all those carries...he gets stronger with all those carries”.

On Thursday we’re hearing “My bad...I should have been rotating the other guys in”.

Something has changed in those four days.


The media coverage of the issue- spurred on and amplified by the ramifications the "run the wheels off" philosophy has on the Bell holdout- has made the Rooneys take notice, so Tomlin's having his assistant fall on his sword. Pretty petty move by Tomlin, but I guess he's unused to media criticism.


I gotta say I don’t give tomlin credit for being that Machiavellian. I think he runs the wheels off because it’s the easiest thing to do.

I think there’s a real culture of not going out on limbs. Too risky. If you stay with herd you may lose but you won’t be left hanging.

It takes a guy like arians who doesn’t fit in and doesn’t care to actually change something. We’ll see over the next half season what kind of guy fitchner is. If he’s a groupthink guy or a results anyway you can get them guy


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 Post subject: Re: Fichtner/Tomlin screwed up
PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 1:43 pm 
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it's still yggy wrote:
W&M_Steeler wrote:
The media coverage of the issue- spurred on and amplified by the ramifications the "run the wheels off" philosophy has on the Bell holdout- has made the Rooneys take notice, so Tomlin's having his assistant fall on his sword. Pretty petty move by Tomlin, but I guess he's unused to media criticism.


I gotta say I don’t give tomlin credit for being that Machiavellian. I think he runs the wheels off because it’s the easiest thing to do.

I think there’s a real culture of not going out on limbs. Too risky. If you stay with herd you may lose but you won’t be left hanging.

It takes a guy like arians who doesn’t fit in and doesn’t care to actually change something. We’ll see over the next half season what kind of guy fitchner is. If he’s a groupthink guy or a results anyway you can get them guy


I don't know why Tomlin "runs the wheels off"- it's always been his philosophy. But my post is concerned with answering the question about why Fichtner's story has changed. I think that once the heat started to be turned up about the issue, Tomlin sent out Fichtner to take the blame. It's not like Fichtner implemented some new personnel philosophy on his own. Mindlessly running the wheels off the starting RB has been Tomlin's MO from the start. But Tomlin had Fichtner take the hit on this one.

I'd be surprised if Fichtner is anything other than a groupthink guy. He's one of Tomlin's buddies (along with Butler) from that renowned football powerhouse Arkansas State. They're rich, fat, and happy. Don't expect any of them to rock the boat too much. Winning a wildcard and losing in the divisional would be just fine with them.


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 Post subject: Re: Fichtner/Tomlin screwed up
PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:23 pm 
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W&M_Steeler wrote:
Jeemie wrote:
StillerInCT wrote:
Exactly. Which is why...
"OC Randy Fichtner on James Conner getting all the RB snaps vs Browns: "Thats on the young coordinator. I shoulda got the other running backs in there."

...is pure bullshit


What this tells you is somewhere, the coaching staff is getting heat for the run the wheels off philosophy because on Sunday after the game, both Tomlin and Fichtner were intimating Connor getting all the carries was by design.


The refusal to have any sort of RB rotation is a longstanding Tomlin problem. Remember, in 2014 it caused LeGarrette Blount to force himself off the team due to his lack of playing time, which resulted in Tomlin never signing an adequate backup- why bother, because he wasn't going to be playing anyways- and leaving us with no one after Bell was injured against the Bengals. We went into the Ravens game stating Ben Tate, a street free agent, and were completely without a running game. Looking back on it, that series of events was what made me first start questioning Tomlin and his judgment.

Le'veon Bell's holdout has finally put this Tomlin quirk into the spotlight. The fact that Tomlin & Co. couldn't resist giving Conner 36 touches when everyone was taking notice of this issue only served to highlight the depth of the problem. Now that it's being questioned publicly by a media that usually gives Tomlin a free pass, he's making his OC fall on his sword. I'm convinced that Tomlin doesn't think that he did anything wrong and has never second guessed his "run their wheels off" philosophy.


I cannot endorse this post enough


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 Post subject: Re: Fichtner/Tomlin screwed up
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Me neither. Great stuff W&M_Steeler there is nothing but truth in what you have written.


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 Post subject: Re: Fichtner/Tomlin screwed up
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It took me one whole game to detest Fitchner.

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KC wrote:
It took me one whole game to detest Fitchner.

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