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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2018 1:54 pm 
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I have determined I am sick of being gouged by Comcast. Even changing my cable package will only get me down to 143/month. I won't do satellite because losing connectivity in the Rain isn't on the table.

I was looking for input from people trying to get games if you have an internet only connection. What is our there and available.

I was thinking about getting a Roku and talking out from there...

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I did this a few years ago and trying to watch local sports blew donkey balls. Which is why I eventually went back to cable (and because I got married and my wife watches a lot of TV).

You can buy a digital TV antennae that'll help you get some stuff that's broadcast on local stations. I was able to watch all non-nationally televised football games that way, but it didn't help me for hockey.

I think most of the leagus now offer some sort of subscription streaming service, but they're probably more expensive than just keeping cable would have been...or at least close enough to nullify the inconvenience of cutting the cord. e

Alternatively, there used to be some seedy sites that'd let you stream games. Quality used to be suspect, but I believe they've gotten better. But it's still kind of a pain in the ass to chase links down for games as these sites frequently get shut down.

Lastly, you can find a friend who is keeping their cable and offer to buy them a slingbox that will let you stream their cable feed over the internet and watch it that way. The downside being that they can't watch another station on the same cable box while you're watching the game.

Again, it's probably been 5 years since I've had this setup, so things have maybe gotten easier.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2018 2:23 pm 
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DirectTV Now is like 50 dollars a month gets you like 80 channels with espn, espn 2, big ten network, fox sports 1, nbc sports network, and the local sports related channel on there as well. plus you get all the local feeds ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX, CW etc. If you have amazon prime that is $100 a year you get a ton of TV and movies available. If you know someone with a Plex server and is willing to share it with you. Netflix is 10-15 dollars a month depending on which package you get.


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I have spectrum for internet (only internet I can get where I'm at in Ohio). I use Sling for most of my channels. Spectrum also offers a streaming service too that gives me my local channels. Some people also get HD antennas for local channels. My bill is under $100/month for what I have.


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I have a Roku and it works great. Sling is $40/month and you can cancel anytime - it gets me all the major sports networks (here's the full list). There's a promotion near the bottom of that link to get a free Roku if you sign up. I just use the antenna for network broadcasts. I use NHLtv for the Pens, and that's $100 for the year. Our connection is 12 mbps and we have no issues

One negative for Sling (and DirectTV now) is that broadcasts are delayed by about a minute. I've had a few buddies text me about a goal (or a touchdown) before it actually happened on my broadcast.

Full accounting for what I'm paying monthly:
$40 Sling
$10 NHL TV
$11 Netflix
$10 Amazon Prime (we'd have this regardless, but it's nice to have the free movies)
$45 Internet
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$116/month for everything

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2018 3:26 pm 
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I only pay for internet. I stream or download everything I want to watch for free including sports, tv shows and movies. Been doing that for several years. There are plenty of sites if you start searching. Very rarely is there something I can't find. The cable and satellite costs are out of control. Internet is already expensive without piling on everything else. Only thing I haven't figured out is how to record live sports. I bought an HD antenna too. Games on free tv look great with that.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2018 3:49 pm 
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I use Roku and stream a handful of services. I was relying, with considerable success, on a traditional antenna for many games. But my brother-in-law shared his YouTube TV account which I expect to use frequently this season. It's been great for soccer. Good luck!


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2018 3:53 pm 
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Pabst wrote:
I have a Roku and it works great. Sling is $40/month and you can cancel anytime - it gets me all the major sports networks (here's the full list). There's a promotion near the bottom of that link to get a free Roku if you sign up. I just use the antenna for network broadcasts. I use NHLtv for the Pens, and that's $100 for the year. Our connection is 12 mbps and we have no issues

One negative for Sling (and DirectTV now) is that broadcasts are delayed by about a minute. I've had a few buddies text me about a goal (or a touchdown) before it actually happened on my broadcast.

Full accounting for what I'm paying monthly:
$40 Sling
$10 NHL TV
$11 Netflix
$10 Amazon Prime (we'd have this regardless, but it's nice to have the free movies)
$45 Internet
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$116/month for everything


I endorse what Pabst wrote. I think the Roku is one of the better ways to go. Couldn't take TWC anymore here in Brooklyn.

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 Post subject: Re: Cord cutting, not satellite options.
PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2018 4:46 pm 
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If you have a roku TV and a moderate knowledge of how to find streams on twitter, ,y advice is:

digital antenna for local channels
the cheapest high-speed internet you can find
$40/mo for sling so you have authorizations for most streaming channels that are on cable
+Netflix/Amazon Prime/Hulu/Starz/HBO/Showtime to taste

it's been at least a couple of years since I haven't been able to find a sporting event streaming free online, with the exception of this year's Tour de France (and I could have had that if I wanted to go through the trouble of spoofing my VPN to Australia)

You could even forego the sling if you have a friend or family member who will let you use their cable login to verify the app for whatever channels are included in their package. We paid for my mom's cable to have lots of channels and then used the login to stream everything here.

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 Post subject: Re: Cord cutting, not satellite options.
PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2018 5:57 pm 
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Also, I just wanted to agree about the delay you get from live sporting events, and it's about 45 seconds to a minute. If you have any friends that are texting you during live games then you will get spoiled (and annoyed) constantly, or if you play fantasy and are looking at your phone, same thing. I actually don't really look at texts anymore during Steelers games til maybe commercial, halftime and end of game.


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 Post subject: Re: Cord cutting, not satellite options.
PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2018 9:18 pm 
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I am out in Stamford and was previously in Danbury. There is no competition as you probably already know. Danbury was Comcast and that was if for broadband speed. Then I move to Stamford and miraculously it is Optimum territory and nothing else with broadband speed. DSL is too slow unless you are near the connection hub. Amazing how their territories are determined by town borders.

I’d recommend getting the internet only package. Comcast and Optimum both had that with the barebones TV package which gets you the networks. I would then sign up for DirectTvNow and get the free AppleTV4K or the free Amazon 4K, they might be doing Roku too for free. If you have ATT you get the free HBO. Cinemax is $5 on DTVNow. If you get the AmazonTV you can easily put Kode on the device for free movies and sporting events.

If you know someone in college get their birthday and sign up for Sunday Ticket for cheap.

Game Pass is another option if you have the easily attainable skills to make it look like you are in Europe with your IP, DNS or VPN.

I trained Sling very early on and it was awful. I am sure it is like DTVNow at this point. DTVNow is pretty solid. League passes are better than any local sports packages, but you have to do the math and really like to watch other teams or sports stars to make it worthwhile.

The nice thing about the above scenario is you have redundancy and perhaps a few more options on Network channels. Internet hiccups go to the barebones TV with Comcast. I am grandfathered in the The GoBig DTV now package at $35...just raised it to $40...some grandfather.


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 Post subject: Re: Cord cutting, not satellite options.
PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2018 9:34 pm 
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That sucks. I have AT&T (and DirectTV, which somehow AT&T was allowed to buy) and Comcast as options. I pay around $85 a month for a good cable package with high-speed internet.

But after a year or two I have to play the negotiating game when the promo expires and price doubles. They've gotten stingier on the retention offers, and so for the third time now in 6-7 years I've actually had to switch providers. And that in itself is NOT a trivial matter because customer service at pretty much every cable company is horrendous.

While I could "cut the cord" and put together a similar package for about the same price I'm paying, I'd still have an issue where after the promo is up my internet price would jump like $20-30 a month. I think they deliberately make switching/negotiating extremely painful so people decide it's just not worth their time.

The good news is Verizon is rolling out 5G services next year, and it looks like their first priority is disrupting the cable/home broadband market. I still expect the tacit collusion we already see in markets with multiple providers, but for those of you getting screwed with only one option that should be changing soon.

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 Post subject: Re: Cord cutting, not satellite options.
PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:47 pm 
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Cord cutting is a very laughable term. It would be more accurate to call it cord cutting with Play-Doh scissors. Or hitting the throw switch between a skinnier cord and a fatter cord every 12-24 months. Or paying the same amount of money to 5 different entities instead of 1.


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 Post subject: Re: Cord cutting, not satellite options.
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
If you have a roku TV and a moderate knowledge of how to find streams on twitter, ,y advice is:

digital antenna for local channels
the cheapest high-speed internet you can find
$40/mo for sling so you have authorizations for most streaming channels that are on cable
+Netflix/Amazon Prime/Hulu/Starz/HBO/Showtime to taste

it's been at least a couple of years since I haven't been able to find a sporting event streaming free online, with the exception of this year's Tour de France (and I could have had that if I wanted to go through the trouble of spoofing my VPN to Australia)

You could even forego the sling if you have a friend or family member who will let you use their cable login to verify the app for whatever channels are included in their package. We paid for my mom's cable to have lots of channels and then used the login to stream everything here.


Basically the model I run plus I run a great plex server. I have a darn tootin' nice about 40TB of good media on that shit.


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 Post subject: Re: Cord cutting, not satellite options.
PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 12:32 pm 
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
If you have a roku TV and a moderate knowledge of how to find streams on twitter, ,y advice is:

digital antenna for local channels
the cheapest high-speed internet you can find
$40/mo for sling so you have authorizations for most streaming channels that are on cable
+Netflix/Amazon Prime/Hulu/Starz/HBO/Showtime to taste

it's been at least a couple of years since I haven't been able to find a sporting event streaming free online, with the exception of this year's Tour de France (and I could have had that if I wanted to go through the trouble of spoofing my VPN to Australia)

You could even forego the sling if you have a friend or family member who will let you use their cable login to verify the app for whatever channels are included in their package. We paid for my mom's cable to have lots of channels and then used the login to stream everything here.


Basically the model I run plus I run a great plex server. I have a darn tootin' nice about 40TB of good media on that shit.



I'm running a plex server as well, but only have around 5 TB as of now. But it's on a 1 gig fiber line, so plenty fast. Wanna trade shares?


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 Post subject: Re: Cord cutting, not satellite options.
PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 3:07 pm 
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Back in the analog days I used to get the CBS signal out of Altoona (KDKA I believe) over the air. I got it best as Fall continued as there was less foliage. When digital was forced on us, I had to get a converter, all was cool till a wind storm took down my tower. So I decided to drop nearly 3 grand on a 50' tower, super receptive antenna, the best wire, gold connectors and installation with guide wires.
The picture is great but using the digital signal I can't get(sometimes) KDKA over the mountains to Chambersburg.
Our schedule is favorable for over-air broadcasts this year and when I can't get the games,I have an excuse to just go to the bar during blackouts. Sorry I don't have any advice for other connections as I hate monthly bills.


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 Post subject: Re: Cord cutting, not satellite options.
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
You could even forego the sling if you have a friend or family member who will let you use their cable login to verify the app for whatever channels are included in their package. We paid for my mom's cable to have lots of channels and then used the login to stream everything here.
How exactly do I use a cable package to watch local channels? I have access to infinity, and get HBO, Showtime, ESPN(not plus), and a few others, but I cannot access local pgh programming. Or I haven't tried? Or I don't know how?

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 5:20 pm 
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I finally got tired of the big bills. It was a combination of too much money (not a finances issue, just feeling I wasn't getting equivalent benefit, paying for tons of channels I don't use and just not watching as much TV as I once did.

So, I got a TiVO OTA for 299 when it was on sale, lifetime included. Now I get a crap-ton of local channels and can DVR whatever I want there. A decent up front cost but I made it up quickly in just a few months, now it is raw savings. I have Netflix but I already had Netflix. I have Amazon Prime but I already had Amazon Prime. I have internet but I had and would have internet anyway. So, I initially had no added cost once the Tivo paid for itself (there are other options for locals, this is just what I did. Wanted to clean and easy DVR for the fam.)

Addons: Tons and tons of free streaming options out there like Pluto, Tubi etc. Add HBO Now when a season of something you must see now pops (Game of Thrones for me) or wait until seasons of shows finish if you don't need it now and binge it all (Ballers, etc for me).

Streaming: I got on Directv Now when it was brand new for $35.00 for a big package. I kept it. Works well enough. That isn't available but if you want something similar there are afforable packages for Youtube TV, Sling, Directv now and others to get AMC etc. This $35.00 is my one true replacement cost after the Tivo was "paid for." That being said, I could live without it.

Shhhh: Want sports stuff? Well, enterprising folks will find a way.

For me, the difference between what I had and have: Old cost, 100+ a month for TV ... replaced by Tivo (299 one time) and $35.00 a month. I lack for nothing and even could do without the latter. Mileage may vary for your needs or costs.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 6:52 pm 
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COR-TEN wrote:
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You could even forego the sling if you have a friend or family member who will let you use their cable login to verify the app for whatever channels are included in their package. We paid for my mom's cable to have lots of channels and then used the login to stream everything here.
How exactly do I use a cable package to watch local channels? I have access to infinity, and get HBO, Showtime, ESPN(not plus), and a few others, but I cannot access local pgh programming. Or I haven't tried? Or I don't know how?


This is sort of off topic, but kind of relates. DirectvNow has a new feature that lets you watch your home channels when you travele or are located in a different city I will now be looking at changing my billing zip to Pittsburgh to see if it works.

Per the DTVNow webpage:

“ Requirements to stream local networks

Local channel availability is based on your billing ZIP Code and market area. To learn more about local channels in your area, including Regional Sports Networks, check out the Channel Lookup Tool.

While at home, stream the local channels available in your market. Traveling to another city? No problem – you can still watch your local channels.

Access to local networks depends on licensing agreements between DIRECTV NOW and local markets at your location. Local, regional, and national providers hold the broadcast rights to these channels. As a reminder, enable location services on your mobile device in order to stream”

I suspect some channels won’t give internet streaming rights to DTVNow.

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I used to have Comcast. The service was good but their prices were beyond criminal. Even for a "bundle" package.

I now have DirecTV. It's way cheaper but the service is spotty. I feel like I'm calling customer support once a month for some kind of glitch or error.

I'm thinking of just going Sling/Roku.


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Lol people with their Netflix, Amazon, Roku, Sling, and all that crap.

Step 1: Well, you already have an internet connection unless you're burning data on your phone. So there you go.

Step 2: Download Ublock to avoid ads.

Step 3: Nfl streams on reddit. View on your big screen TV through a million methods. Have an old PC? Connect it with an HDMI cord. Not an option? Use your laptop or tablet. No good? Buy a $20 Chromecast or Firestick.

Step 4: Enjoy high-quality streams for free

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For all other streams or needs.

Find out what a VPN and Kodi are and watch a 10 minute video on Youtube. Enjoy watching movies that come out three weeks from now.


I pay $70 a month for fiberoptic internet. No cable bill and I can watch more than anyone with satellite or any of that other crap. If anyone is paying anything for media (tv, movies, music) nowadays, they're doing it wrong.


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I did the Kodi thing for awhile. It used to work ok. Now it completely sucks. It's a never ending battle of finding new add-ons which generally don't work well either. I figured the "man" finally found a way to shut it down. what's the secret?

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Hacksaw Jim Duggan wrote:
Lol people with their Netflix, Amazon, Roku, Sling, and all that crap.

Step 1: Well, you already have an internet connection unless you're burning data on your phone. So there you go.

Step 2: Download Ublock to avoid ads.

Step 3: Nfl streams on reddit. View on your big screen TV through a million methods. Have an old PC? Connect it with an HDMI cord. Not an option? Use your laptop or tablet. No good? Buy a $20 Chromecast or Firestick.

Step 4: Enjoy high-quality streams for free

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For all other streams or needs.

Find out what a VPN and Kodi are and watch a 10 minute video on Youtube. Enjoy watching movies that come out three weeks from now.


I pay $70 a month for fiberoptic internet. No cable bill and I can watch more than anyone with satellite or any of that other crap. If anyone is paying anything for media (tv, movies, music) nowadays, they're doing it wrong.

For starters, I'm not that techy and I'm pretty lazy, so that's a big negative from doing what you've described.

Second, Mrs. Pabst had a cousin who was sued for illegally downloading music, so we're a bit weary of the whole thing.

Finally, the more people that are ripping movies/music/shows illegally, the more incentive there is for media companies to police it. I'm doing you a favor by paying for it. You're welcome :P. Plus $100/month isn't much of a dent in the monthly budget.

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My experiment started w/Sling on my Roku this month. It looks OK, not much worse than my HD cable. Certain channels are still in SD and that is a bit annoying, but I find over the past 6 months-year between HBO, Netflix and Amazon Prime, I simply wasn't spending much of any time at all with my super-HD-hifi-premium basic cable package anyways.
Occasionally I would go to XFinity and look for series on-demand, and the selection is good, but most times you get just one season and the rest is PPV. They are price-tiering me out of my inertia. That said, the Sling package you actually would want plus all your extra pay channels plus internet won't save you *that* much per month, and like Lakecrest said earlier, once you add up all your bonzo options its starts to look like getting the same shitty service from five different vendors instead of one.
Regardless, sometime soon we'll have our bi-annual conversation where I start asking about dropping all of my cable packages but the basic internet and see where that goes.

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I'm gonna do Sling this college football season so I can get ESPN, 2 and 3. for 25$ a month. I have a comcast package that gives me the major networks plus PBS and HBO and internet for like $50 a month. Really can't beat that. I do have to bitch at them once a year when the rate goes up.

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