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 Post subject: Re: NFL Players Renew Anthem Protests
PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:22 pm 
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Maybe next time one takes a knee in protest they can explain how destroying & looting the very businesses that serve their community helps to ”raise awareness”...


You're doing the same thing that offends you about the generalizations about police. A few people, who maybe aren't even there to protest, are just being opportunists and you're condemning everyone else there out of sincerity.

And studies show the "mob" mentality really has nothing to do with race (just watch some of the soccer games over the pond).

I think organizers know that hurts the movement, but I'm not sure what they could do about it. And if you're into conspiracy theories, some of those looters are being paid.

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There are actually FBI statistics that show blacks are actually shot with less frequency than whites & latinos. And what about the black cops who take the shots? They are now “race traders”.


And if I recall, the Harvard study showed the black cops were more likely to shoot than their white counterparts. Both showed a tendency to hesitate or less likely to shoot blacks.

But those are inconvenient facts. And identity politics is about emotion, anyway.

There are obviously racial inequities in the justice system. Cop shootings is not where it is and not where the focus should be. And when you make martyrs out of Michael Brown, you aren't attracting sympathy and bringing people together. But as I've said before, that is by design - the stories that dominate the national news cycle are the ones that, predictably, drive a wedge between black and white.

Again, the data would indicate there are maybe 50-100 cases a year of actual wrongful deaths (half of those, by the way, non-black) from police. It's unfortunate and one is too many, but it's a far cry from racist white cops running around like some hit squad killing young black men.


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 Post subject: Re: NFL Players Renew Anthem Protests
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Kodiak wrote:
955876 wrote:
Maybe next time one takes a knee in protest they can explain how destroying & looting the very businesses that serve their community helps to ”raise awareness”...


You're doing the same thing that offends you about the generalizations about police. A few people, who maybe aren't even there to protest, are just being opportunists and you're condemning everyone else there out of sincerity.

And studies show the "mob" mentality really has nothing to do with race (just watch some of the soccer games over the pond).

I think organizers know that hurts the movement, but I'm not sure what they could do about it. And if you're into conspiracy theories, some of those looters are being paid.



Fair enough. That was a generalization. However, looting and destruction of property do tend to go hand in hand with these protests.

And it does detract from the very thing they are protesting.


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955876 wrote:
Fair enough. That was a generalization. However, looting and destruction of property do tend to go hand in hand with these protests.


If you're talking Antifa - which is an entirely different topic - then I agree.

However, when you have the emotion and anger in these protests, it only takes a few to set-off the powderkeg. And that true of any such gathering.

Whether or not the looters are outside the community or not, the very nature of the protest is tailor-made to attract opportunists.

Now in Chicago what they have done is shutdown a few major highways. I don't agree with that, but there's no nearby stores to loot. And, shocker, no looting or violence.

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If you're talking Antifa - which is an entirely different topic - then I agree.


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There are no lack of places to spew one's political beliefs, no lack of arenas to hate on your fellow (wo)men because they voted differently than you, no lack of opportunity to bitch about one side or the other or both. Do we really need to bring it to our little corner of the world where we get away to enjoy Steelers and football talk?

I know we all have opinions on this, but can't we check them at the door?


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Well, the thread is appropriately titled anthem protest. It’s not like you clicked on a thread about the game or how Rudolph looked only to find this.

Begs the question, why click on a thread you had no interest in discussing other than to tell others not to discuss it?

Is your ability to participate and enjoy the other threads available somehow diminished simply because you’ll know this one exist?

Could be moved to Around NFL given it’s not particularly Steelers related.

Aside from that, I would say if you know you don’t like oh I dunno Chinese food then don’t order Chinese.


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I will say this I do not believe all white cops are bad or out to get Blacks. Unfortunately there are bad apples (just like there are in the Black community) that make the good ones look bad. Plus I am Half White (Mother\ German, Jew & Czech) and I love that side of my family. We hang out, chill and are close. BTW, I like Trump. I voted for him. I'm a Conservative Republican, YES there are Black Republicans. I don't really like what the Democratic party has done to the Black Community. They have essentially made Blacks slaves again by making them rely on the Guvmint for financial aid (Welfare, Section 8 etc etc). I truly HATE seeing Blacks who CAN WORK rely on the Gov't to take care of their families. Which unfortunately comes from the taxes of the Middle Class. If I have to get my Black Ass up everyday to goto work to take care of my family, others should as well. I hate hearing Blacks say the Man (Whitey) is keeping them down. That's utter BS. The only one keeping you down is YOU. I went to College (BAS in Electronic Engineering) and have worked as an IT Support Analyst for the last 15 years. I understand there are those who need help, but if you are able to work then get your butt up and work.


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I won't tune in until kickoff so I don't have to hear or see anything about this. It's their right to protest. It's my right not to pay attention to it. There are plenty of channels and web sites for politics and the news. That's not what I watch the NFL to see. I also don't pay attention to political opinions of athletes, actors or anybody in entertainment. All those rich people along with the rich politicians don't give a shit about us anyway.

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 Post subject: Re: NFL Players Renew Anthem Protests
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Kodiak wrote:
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There are actually FBI statistics that show blacks are actually shot with less frequency than whites & latinos. And what about the black cops who take the shots? They are now “race traders”.


And if I recall, the Harvard study showed the black cops were more likely to shoot than their white counterparts. Both showed a tendency to hesitate or less likely to shoot blacks.

But those are inconvenient facts. And identity politics is about emotion, anyway.

There are obviously racial inequities in the justice system. Cop shootings is not where it is and not where the focus should be. And when you make martyrs out of Michael Brown, you aren't attracting sympathy and bringing people together. But as I've said before, that is by design - the stories that dominate the national news cycle are the ones that, predictably, drive a wedge between black and white.

Again, the data would indicate there are maybe 50-100 cases a year of actual wrongful deaths (half of those, by the way, non-black) from police. It's unfortunate and one is too many, but it's a far cry from racist white cops running around like some hit squad killing young black men.


That’s what’s so annoying about the blue tribe “I’m white so I’ll never know” drivel — based on publicly available data the rate you’ll be killed by a cop isn’t that different compared to a black person. Mother fucker you could end up killed by a cop. Moreover you are part of the problem.

Your whiteness won’t stop a bullet. There are numerous criminal justice issues to fix that negatively impacts both whites and blacks, but the blue tribe person who makes it racial (status play arguably) makes the issue devisve. Pro-tip — an injustice that impacts more people is more likely to be addressed in a democracy. But if something impacts many, well that doesn’t win status points.


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LOL....saw that same chart, which I commented on. And, to be fair, the HBS study I mentioned noted more physical abuse in black arrests. Kind of another thread, but when we're talking murder the facts are NOT the popular perception.

I mean, it's just sad. The focus is on THIS issue, but the data is fairly clear (and repeated, in multiple studies). But it's the wrong thing to focus on.

Still, very rich entitled athletes will virtue-signal by taking a knee next Sunday. And they will have their apologists and enablers. It will cause much divisiveness. But no real solutions. And that's how most politicians, on both sides of the aisle, want it.

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I know we all have opinions on this, but can't we check them at the door?


But isn't this thread/discussion WHY some are choosing to kneel?

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...There are numerous criminal justice issues to fix that negatively impacts both whites and blacks..,


If you're going to get into the actual issues and nuances....That's all real. But what's driving this is a political movement, not social justice. That's why Michael Brown is all over the media but Philando Castile is practically an afterthought.

The latter isn't someone the Right will denigrate, so the Left dropped him. All of you reading this thread need to recognize that and understand why.

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Sooooooooooooo......B2B's LOL post was deleted. Who's going to explain that?

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The culture wars in this country are so fucking stupid.

Teddy Roosevelt needs to rise from the dead and kick all their pussy bitch asses.


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Kodiak wrote:
955876 wrote:
There are actually FBI statistics that show blacks are actually shot with less frequency than whites & latinos. And what about the black cops who take the shots? They are now “race traders”.


And if I recall, the Harvard study showed the black cops were more likely to shoot than their white counterparts. Both showed a tendency to hesitate or less likely to shoot blacks.

But those are inconvenient facts. And identity politics is about emotion, anyway.

There are obviously racial inequities in the justice system. Cop shootings is not where it is and not where the focus should be. And when you make martyrs out of Michael Brown, you aren't attracting sympathy and bringing people together. But as I've said before, that is by design - the stories that dominate the national news cycle are the ones that, predictably, drive a wedge between black and white.

Again, the data would indicate there are maybe 50-100 cases a year of actual wrongful deaths (half of those, by the way, non-black) from police. It's unfortunate and one is too many, but it's a far cry from racist white cops running around like some hit squad killing young black men.


That’s what’s so annoying about the blue tribe “I’m white so I’ll never know” drivel — based on publicly available data the rate you’ll be killed by a cop isn’t that different compared to a black person. Mother fucker you could end up killed by a cop. Moreover you are part of the problem.

Your whiteness won’t stop a bullet. There are numerous criminal justice issues to fix that negatively impacts both whites and blacks, but the blue tribe person who makes it racial (status play arguably) makes the issue devisve. Pro-tip — an injustice that impacts more people is more likely to be addressed in a democracy. But if something impacts many, well that doesn’t win status points.


I'm with these guys on this issue....said it many times before....
*So sick of the "unarmed black man" who turns out to be a thug of the Michael Brown ilk, or the newscaster telling me that the vid is going to be disturbing. Let ME decide this. Hell...the most disturbing thing I saw on TV all week was the shots of the Red Tide impact in Florida...and there was no warning about those vids.
*The protestors can say as much as they want that the protests are not in relation to flag, anthem, military....but if the people whose attention you're trying to grab by the protest, think it is....then, well, all about perception.

Again, I HATE the fuckwad in the White House...and HATE when I'm with him on ANY issue...but...so glad Steelers stayed outta that shit the other night.


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Let's continue to discuss this, guys. I feel like we're on the verge of a breakthrough. I see a lot of minds being changed. This is an extremely productive debate.


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For about 3.5 hours once a week I get to take a mental vacation from life, work, and drama. I just want to watch and hear about football...that's it, nothing more. There are these amazing things called commercials, you can buy them, especially since you have the resources to do so. So you get your time, I get my time. If its truly an issue and you feel so strongly about it, invest in it. Someone earlier mentioned how individuals always share or repost a cause but never contribute financially, or likely time, when really asked to do so. For those about to pick apart your time and my time...I cannot predict when the commentators are going to discuss the issues (will its likely to be all the time), but I know when a commercial is coming and I can mute or get some more wings, chips, and beer.

BTW, anyone see the NFL players do or say anything about the social injustices they are protesting? I'm being serious. I didn't see anything that spotlighted the issues or addressed it. I guess the offseason is a tough time to support causes.


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Cadet Bone Spurs is now Mr. Patriotic.

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Laying the Wood wrote:
Let's continue to discuss this, guys. I feel like we're on the verge of a breakthrough. I see a lot of minds being changed. This is an extremely productive debate.


Kind of like all those football threads where a lot of minds are changed and the debate is extremely productive.

I think we really settled that Hines Ward debate. What was the outcome again? Most certainly there was at least a breakthrough.


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This will be an unpopular opinion, but a study was just released that has data that shows cops are not really racist and when the data is normalized whites, blacks and hispanics are actually equal opportunity victims by the police when involved with police action. Blacks are killed disproportionately more but not necessarily due to racist police. However, the data shows that the policing often contains organizational or institutional racist policies and procedures.

https://phys.org/news/2018-08-bad-policing-law-apples-disproportionate.html (did not check sourcing or references of this study so use a critical mind)

To solve the problem, just do what the UK does. Disarm the police. All the beat cops can have tasers and vests, but no weapons and no access to weapons. All they can do when lethal force is necessary is call in the tactical units who would be armed and obviously certain situations would warrant skipping the unarmed police and going with the tactical units first.

Go into a potential explosive situation with lethal force and your whole mindset is different....you are a hammer and everyone is potentially a nail.

Go into an explosive situation unarmed and all your wits and thinking will be focused on deescalation and patience.

This would be the first step in swinging the pendulum the other way in the current march of militarizing every police force in this country.

I agree also that commercials sponsored by the players would be more impactful then these anthem protest that serve to give Trump a boner and a reason to tweet.


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LakecrestSteeler wrote:
This will be an unpopular opinion, but a study was just released that has data that shows cops are not really racist and when the data is normalized whites, blacks and hispanics are actually equal opportunity victims by the police when involved with police action. Blacks are killed disproportionately more but not necessarily due to racist police. However, the data shows that the policing often contains organizational or institutional racist policies and procedures.

https://phys.org/news/2018-08-bad-policing-law-apples-disproportionate.html (did not check sourcing or references of this study so use a critical mind)

To solve the problem, just do what the UK does. Disarm the police. All the beat cops can have tasers and vests, but no weapons and no access to weapons. All they can do when lethal force is necessary is call in the tactical units who would be armed and obviously certain situations would warrant skipping the unarmed police and going with the tactical units first.

Go into a potential explosive situation with lethal force and your whole mindset is different....you are a hammer and everyone is potentially a nail.

Go into an explosive situation unarmed and all your wits and thinking will be focused on deescalation and patience.

This would be the first step in swinging the pendulum the other way in the current march of militarizing every police force in this country.

I agree also that commercials sponsored by the players would be more impactful then these anthem protest that serve to give Trump a boner and a reason to tweet.

I think the general populace here in the US has more guns than they do in the UK. You still think unarmed police is viable in this country?


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