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 Post subject: Re: NFL Players Renew Anthem Protests
PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:59 pm 
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It's about 5 to 1. left to right wing news


Baloney.


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 Post subject: Re: NFL Players Renew Anthem Protests
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Poltargyst wrote:
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It's about 5 to 1. left to right wing news


Baloney.

Your right Polt. That is a low number.
Probably more like 6 to 1.
Throw in all the opinionated morning and day time talk shows and late night slander talk shows and it may be 8 or 9 to 1.

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 Post subject: Re: NFL Players Renew Anthem Protests
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Still Lit wrote:
The media is freaking out more, but the right was just as nasty about Obama, every bit.


I don't disagree with anything else you said....but the above is false. No one of consequence on the Right was nearly this retarded.

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Suwanee88 wrote:
I think the NFL Players are protesting bad cops....that’s mostly white cops who shoot innocentt blapck people.


Slight quibble - it's a bit more black cops shooting black people....but don't let that stop you you're rolling....

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Jeemie wrote:
The arguments never change...only the sides making the arguments change...dependeing on who’s in power.


And that is the most honest statement in this thread. But people are either too stupid, or too partisan, to acknowledge it.

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It's about 5 to 1. left to right wing news


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Kodiak wrote:
Still Lit wrote:
The media is freaking out more, but the right was just as nasty about Obama, every bit.


I don't disagree with anything else you said....but the above is false. No one of consequence on the Right was nearly this retarded.


I’m not referring to media personalities or those who fall under the unmbrella of “consequence.” I’m talking about the amorphous population known as the right.

The main diff I see is the media freak out. But Trump asks for it and even wants it. It’s obvious.

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 Post subject: Re: NFL Players Renew Anthem Protests
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Kodiak wrote:
Still Lit wrote:
The media is freaking out more, but the right was just as nasty about Obama, every bit.


I don't disagree with anything else you said....but the above is false. No one of consequence on the Right was nearly this retarded.


Apples and oranges
No previous president uses twitter and the media like the current president nor did any previous president throw about insults and untruths like this one. So you reap what you sow ... can't create a disfucntional and illogical conversation and then complain it's disfunctional and illogical. They are all a bunch of blathering tools intent on misleading the public or dealing in innuendo and not facts and that includes CNN and Fox and the ringleader President.


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 Post subject: Re: NFL Players Renew Anthem Protests
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Still Lit wrote:
Kodiak wrote:
Still Lit wrote:
The media is freaking out more, but the right was just as nasty about Obama, every bit.


I don't disagree with anything else you said....but the above is false. No one of consequence on the Right was nearly this retarded.


I’m not referring to media personalities or those who fall under the unmbrella of “consequence.” I’m talking about the amorphous population known as the right.

The main diff I see is the media freak out. But Trump asks for it and even wants it. It’s obvious.


Don't get me wrong - I didn't vote for that Trittard......He does ask for it......But this is way worse then it was with the last guy,

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 Post subject: Re: NFL Players Renew Anthem Protests
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Kodiak wrote:
Still Lit wrote:
The media is freaking out more, but the right was just as nasty about Obama, every bit.


I don't disagree with anything else you said....but the above is false. No one of consequence on the Right was nearly this retarded.


And ... they were pretty retarded
Just a different flavour of stupidity


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And ... they were pretty retarded
Just a different flavour of stupidity


I didn't say they weren't.

But still not nearly this batshit crazy stupid. TDS is real.

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Poltargyst wrote:
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It's about 5 to 1. left to right wing news


Baloney.


Excluding those who identify as "independents", FiveThirtyEight found that Democrats outnumbered Republicans in the Media 4 to 1: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/there-really-was-a-liberal-media-bubble/

In sports media, that number is roughly 9 to 1: https://thebiglead.com/2017/03/08/big-lead-sports-media-politics-survey-only-4-of-media-surveyed-voted-for-donald-trump/

NPR's former CEO estimated that his newsroom was about 9 to 1 as well: https://nypost.com/2017/10/21/the-other ... snt-cover/

96% of campaign donations from journalists went to Clinton: https://www.publicintegrity.org/2016/10/17/20330/journalists-shower-hillary-clinton-campaign-cash

I've said this so many times (not on here): Trump is not the cause of media distrust, Trump is the result of media distrust. Fox News and Talk Radio exist because conservatives don't see their view represented in mainstream outlets.

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Trump is the result of media distrust.


Very true. Put on a rain coat.

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 Post subject: Re: NFL Players Renew Anthem Protests
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Kodiak wrote:
Gonzo wrote:
And ... they were pretty retarded
Just a different flavour of stupidity


I didn't say they weren't.

But still not nearly this batshit crazy stupid. TDS is real.


As is LDS.
It has been batshit crazy stupid for years. It’s simply sappy PC crazy as opposed to angry crazy. And as it is currently right-focused it is louder. Fox is just as asinine as CNN and just as knee-jerk rationalizing. As Alba stated above there are simply more voices and IMO it’s a different kind of voice

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 Post subject: Re: NFL Players Renew Anthem Protests
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The idea that the left and the right, be it media or politics, are on equal terms is laughable.

That wasn't the case since 1990. I'm guessing most here are too young to realize this.

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The best part about Bone Spurs getting elected is the c*nt flap Republicans losing all right to any fake moral high ground.

I pray the next Dem pres fucks porn stars on pay-per-view live in the Oval Office.

The repercussions of this Orange Fuckface’s term will be felt for centuries.

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 Post subject: Re: NFL Players Renew Anthem Protests
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Ignoring all of the side issues of what is or isn't a protest, where you can or can't do one etc, I have no problem with social protests generally. Lest we all forget that our nation, in some degree, is the product of protesting something.

BUT, the point of a protest is to get attention. When you have it, the next point is that you turn the narrative to a focus on the issue and look to move it forward. Here, the players protested and when they got the attention they wanted they have just spun their wheels debating the protest itself rather than the issue. They got the attention and have done little with it. One side will say that its because they don't know what they are protesting. The other will say it is something very important.

The real issue is that the players never changed the narrative from the protest to the issue. Now they are arguing about the protesting itself. Anyone who may have listened, no matter where they stood, are now tired and checked out. So, effectively, now they are protesting about protesting and most don't care.

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I'll just throw out there that to this day, there are those who think Obama wasn't eligible to be President because he wasn't born in Hawaii.


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 Post subject: Re: NFL Players Renew Anthem Protests
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Poltargyst wrote:
I'll just throw out there that to this day, there are those who think Obama wasn't eligible to be President because he wasn't born in Hawaii.


Trump gave the trailer dwelling dumbfucks their racism back. He laid the groundwork with the Obama birther horseshit. These hatchet wounds bought it all, hook, line and sinker.

Now they’ll follow him anywhere.

I’m shocked.

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 Post subject: Re: NFL Players Renew Anthem Protests
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Pabst wrote:
Poltargyst wrote:
R S wrote:
It's about 5 to 1. left to right wing news


Baloney.


Excluding those who identify as "independents", FiveThirtyEight found that Democrats outnumbered Republicans in the Media 4 to 1: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/there-really-was-a-liberal-media-bubble/

In sports media, that number is roughly 9 to 1: https://thebiglead.com/2017/03/08/big-lead-sports-media-politics-survey-only-4-of-media-surveyed-voted-for-donald-trump/

NPR's former CEO estimated that his newsroom was about 9 to 1 as well: https://nypost.com/2017/10/21/the-other ... snt-cover/

96% of campaign donations from journalists went to Clinton: https://www.publicintegrity.org/2016/10/17/20330/journalists-shower-hillary-clinton-campaign-cash

I've said this so many times (not on here): Trump is not the cause of media distrust, Trump is the result of media distrust. Fox News and Talk Radio exist because conservatives don't see their view represented in mainstream outlets.

It's irrelevent what the leanings of the individual journalists are, all that matters is what the leanings of the guy in charge are. Everyone else gets dictated to how they're going to report, and if the guy in charge is a Republican, and he dictates that all his liberal journalists are going to put a Republican spin on stories, then there will be a Republican spin on stories.

Our media is owned by big corporations. Big corporations want tax cuts and deregulation. It is the Republican party that promises corporations tax cuts and deregulation. Therefore, the corporations owning the media are motivated to have Republicans win. If you think the media is liberal biased, then tell me what their motivation for being so is, and that motivation needs to be bigger than the millions (billions?) of dollars they stand to gain through Republican tax cuts and deregulation.

I saw an article a little while ago about how the conservative Sinclair Broadcast Group owns all these local news stations, and they're dictating that their stations report stories with a conservative spin. It doesn't matter if Joe Blow local news ancor is a liberal, if he is ordered to read a story with a conservative spin, then he's reading the story with a conservative spin.

So, yes, this idea that the media is so liberal biased that poor conservatives can't get their message out is rubbish. This idea that of all the news sources we have on tv and radio that liberal ones outnumber conservative ones 5 or 6 or 8 or 9 to 1 is Bah. Loney.


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 Post subject: Re: NFL Players Renew Anthem Protests
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Poltargyst wrote:
Our media is owned by big corporations. Big corporations want tax cuts and deregulation. It is the Republican party that promises corporations tax cuts and deregulation. Therefore, the corporations owning the media are motivated to have Republicans win. If you think the media is liberal biased, then tell me what their motivation for being so is, and that motivation needs to be bigger than the millions (billions?) of dollars they stand to gain through Republican tax cuts and deregulation.


This is the most intellectually bankrupt argument I've ever seen. You've never heard of a rich liberal? You've never heard of Silicon Valley? LOL is right.


BTW, Trump got BILLIONS in free coverage from mostly liberal media. CNN and MSNBC were covering him about 3X as much as Fox News, who had other Republican candidates they were trying to give time to.

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Kodiak wrote:
Poltargyst wrote:
Our media is owned by big corporations. Big corporations want tax cuts and deregulation. It is the Republican party that promises corporations tax cuts and deregulation. Therefore, the corporations owning the media are motivated to have Republicans win. If you think the media is liberal biased, then tell me what their motivation for being so is, and that motivation needs to be bigger than the millions (billions?) of dollars they stand to gain through Republican tax cuts and deregulation.


This is the most intellectually bankrupt argument I've ever seen. You've never heard of a rich liberal? You've never heard of Silicon Valley? LOL is right.


BTW, Trump got BILLIONS in free coverage from mostly liberal media. CNN and MSNBC were covering him about 3X as much as Fox News, who had other Republican candidates they were trying to give time to.

Yes, Trump absolutely benefitted from a lot of free coverage. And?

If I took the time to look up the political contributions of the corporations that own the major news outlets in this country, I wonder what I would find.


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First during the Obama era and now during the Trump era, folks on both sides have been so trained to see black and white (no pun or racist base intended, just the old cliche) that none of you see that there is something else out there. You are so convinced its A party vs B party that you have lost independent thought.

Let's be clear ... I think third parties are and do want to influence our elections and our lives. It isn't for A or B to win. It's to convince people there is only A and B and then sow discord between the two.

If you think that the world operates in As and Bs you've already lost. If you are unable to think beyond As and Bs the country has already lost. You are giving "them" what they want.

I am not telling you to support or not support any particular politician. I am asking you to think about who really wins this. And it isn't A or B.

At this rate we are just waiting for the US to fall ... fighting over A or B ... while the world laughs at what was once something better.


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Now if all the other networks could get it right!

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