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NFL Players Renew Anthem Protests As Pre-Season Starts

Malcolm Jenkins #27 of the Philadelphia Eagles raises his fist during the national anthem as Chris Long #56 puts his arm around him prior to the preseason game against the Pittsburgh Steelers at Lincoln Financial Field on Thursday, in Philadelphia.

Several NFL players knelt, raised fists or simply refused to take the field during the playing of the national anthem as a controversial protest against police brutality dragged into the 2018 preseason.
As The Associated Press reports, in Philadelphia, Eagles safety Malcolm Jenkins, who suspended his protest last December, and cornerback De'Vante Bausby, raised their fists while defensive end Chris Long stood with his arm around Jenkins' shoulder.
Defensive end Michael Bennett walked out of the tunnel during the anthem and walked toward the bench while it played.

Sports Illustrated reports that the Jaguars' Jalen Ramsey, Telvin Smith, Leonard Fournette and T.J. Yeldon did not join their teammates skipping the pre-game performance of the anthem.
In Seattle, three Seahawks also declined to take the field.

NFL, Players Agree To Temporarily Halt Enforcement Of Anthem Protest Rules
The renewed protests come after the National Football League sought to put the controversy behind it by formulating a new policy requiring athletes and staff to "stand and show respect for the flag and the Anthem."
However, that policy, announced in May, was put on hold last month when the NFL and the NFL Players Association agreed to suspend enforcement of the new rules.

"Everybody is waiting for what the league is going to do," Jenkins said, according to AP. "We won't let it stop what we stand for."
"I think it's important to utilize the platform as we can because for whatever reason, we have framed this demonstration in a negative light, and often players have to defend why we feel the need to fight for everyday Americans, and in actuality we're doing the right thing," he said.

"As a black man in this world, I've got an obligation to raise awareness," Quinn was quoted by the AP as saying. "If no one wants to live in unity, that's why we're in the situation we're in."
The protest controversy began in 2016, when then-San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick knelt during the rendition of the anthem to call attention to injustices faced by people of color, particularly at the hands of the police. Several other players joined the protest.


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I don't think I can handle another year of this stupid debate clogging up the sports headlines. If they want to kneel, who gives a shit? I still have to go to work the next day and pay my bills. It has exactly 0 impact on anybody's life other than hurt feelings.

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I don't think I can handle another year of this stupid debate clogging up the sports headlines. If they want to kneel, who gives a shit? I still have to go to work the next day and pay my bills. It has exactly 0 impact on anybody's life other than hurt feelings.


Agreed 100%.

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fortythree wrote:
StillerInCT wrote:
I don't think I can handle another year of this stupid debate clogging up the sports headlines. If they want to kneel, who gives a shit? I still have to go to work the next day and pay my bills. It has exactly 0 impact on anybody's life other than hurt feelings.


Agreed 100%.


Thirded. I think most people are just insanely tired of hearing about it.

Yet, the NFL keeps finding ways to stir it back up and creating more headlines around it.

Just stop fucking with it, let the players do what they want, let it die does after this season, and it'll go away.


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Still raising awareness about that anti-black federal police force during national anthem.

Good for them.


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I'm a white dude, so my initial instinct is why do they have to do it then and there? But I try to be empathetic, and I know that black people don't get treated by police officers the same way white people do. And that no doubt feels really shitty and makes you feel a lot less good about this country.


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Im not a Trump supporter at all but these unending protests are annoying. The players should have protested 1 game and spoke their peace and moved on. The nfl should just keep them in the locker room until after the anthem is over or maybe not play the anthem at all.


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This seems like a wonderful idea....I mean what could go wrong, right????

If they protest all year for the second year in a row, it’s a virtual guarantee that the issues they are protesting will all be resolved making their continued protests (and alienation of half of their paying customers) totally worth it....

Why doesn’t the NBA have these issues?


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 Post subject: Re: NFL Players Renew Anthem Protests
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Louis Lipps Service wrote:
fortythree wrote:
StillerInCT wrote:
I don't think I can handle another year of this stupid debate clogging up the sports headlines. If they want to kneel, who gives a shit? I still have to go to work the next day and pay my bills. It has exactly 0 impact on anybody's life other than hurt feelings.


Agreed 100%.


Thirded. I think most people are just insanely tired of hearing about it.

Yet, the NFL keeps finding ways to stir it back up and creating more headlines around it.

Just stop fucking with it, let the players do what they want, let it die does after this season, and it'll go away.


It's not the NFL doing it.

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StillerInCT wrote:
I don't think I can handle another year of this stupid debate clogging up the sports headlines. If they want to kneel, who gives a shit? I still have to go to work the next day and pay my bills. It has exactly 0 impact on anybody's life other than hurt feelings.


And I'm still deployed for at least the next 6 months defending their right to do it. I don't agree with it, but the beauty is that I don't have to...


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fortythree wrote:

It's not the NFL doing it.


So the NFL didn't try to enact a "No Kneeling" policy before this season that had no chance of ever flying under the radar....then rescind the same rule shortly thereafter when the NFLPA and media got up in arms all over again?

Cause I'm pretty sure they did.

And yeah, that fire would still be burning right now even they haven't, but they added their brand of gasoline to it, prolonging that flame. And that's what I'm talking about. If they don't touch it, it'll go away after a while, when the media runs out of headlines to write about it. But they can't keep supplying new headlines.


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AF Stiller Fan wrote:
StillerInCT wrote:
I don't think I can handle another year of this stupid debate clogging up the sports headlines. If they want to kneel, who gives a shit? I still have to go to work the next day and pay my bills. It has exactly 0 impact on anybody's life other than hurt feelings.


And I'm still deployed for at least the next 6 months defending their right to do it. I don't agree with it, but the beauty is that I don't have to...


Thank you for your service! My father spent 20 years in the Air Force.

I don't agree with it either. I stand for the anthem when I go to sporting events, but the outrage over it is just unbearable at this point. I think based on your statement you realize that they aren't protesting your service. Hell, most of them are probably grateful for your service. They are just speaking out against injustices that a white male such as myself will never have to deal with in a way they feel will get the right attention (Whether it will or not is TBD). Is it the most effective way to do it? I don't know. But as long as they aren't rioting in the streets, murdering people, or some other crimes against humanity, then it's harmless.

I think everyone needs to take a step back and take inventory of their own lives and stop taking everything personally all the time. It's no way to go through life.

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 Post subject: Re: NFL Players Renew Anthem Protests
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Louis Lipps Service wrote:
fortythree wrote:

It's not the NFL doing it.


So the NFL didn't try to enact a "No Kneeling" policy before this season that had no chance of ever flying under the radar....then rescind the same rule shortly thereafter when the NFLPA and media got up in arms all over again?

Cause I'm pretty sure they did.

And yeah, that fire would still be burning right now even they haven't, but they added their brand of gasoline to it, prolonging that flame. And that's what I'm talking about. If they don't touch it, it'll go away after a while, when the media runs out of headlines to write about it. But they can't keep supplying new headlines.


I agree, but let’s be perfectly honest. The NFL and the owners are getting tooled by the master of ceremonies here, the Buffoon in Chief sitting on an inflatable raft at Mir-A-Lago.

If you guys were sick of it last year, wait until this year. His greatest power is his ability to incite his base from his twitter account. It will not end. His followers cling to that twitter account like heroin addicts do the needle.


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StillerInCT wrote:
AF Stiller Fan wrote:
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I don't think I can handle another year of this stupid debate clogging up the sports headlines. If they want to kneel, who gives a shit? I still have to go to work the next day and pay my bills. It has exactly 0 impact on anybody's life other than hurt feelings.


And I'm still deployed for at least the next 6 months defending their right to do it. I don't agree with it, but the beauty is that I don't have to...


Thank you for your service! My father spent 20 years in the Air Force.

I don't agree with it either. I stand for the anthem when I go to sporting events, but the outrage over it is just unbearable at this point. I think based on your statement you realize that they aren't protesting your service. Hell, most of them are probably grateful for your service. They are just speaking out against injustices that a white male such as myself will never have to deal with in a way they feel will get the right attention (Whether it will or not is TBD). Is it the most effective way to do it? I don't know. But as long as they aren't rioting in the streets, murdering people, or some other crimes against humanity, then it's harmless.

I think everyone needs to take a step back and take inventory of their own lives and stop taking everything personally all the time. It's no way to go through life.


Well said.
People are offended by everything these days. Makes for a bunch of keyboard Social Justice Warriors who do diddly squat to improve other peoples' lives when it actually comes down to doing shit and making changes.

People want to block traffic and protest, but don't have the wherewithal to ask for a meeting with the mayor or their councilperson or police chief to make grass roots changes with whatever issue they may have.

And while I don't agree with the kneeling for NFL players, I respect their right to kneel and it doesn't cause me to clutch my pearls. But if I had a magic wand, I'd ban those who kneel and haven't done any community outreach.

Rag on CK all you want, but he's put his money and time where his mouth was. Wish more NFL players did the same...I'd have a bit more respect for where they're coming from then.


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Donnie Brasco wrote:

Well said.
People are offended by everything these days. Makes for a bunch of keyboard Social Justice Warriors who do diddly squat to improve other peoples' lives when it actually comes down to doing shit and making changes.

People want to block traffic and protest, but don't have the wherewithal to ask for a meeting with the mayor or their councilperson or police chief to make grass roots changes with whatever issue they may have.

And while I don't agree with the kneeling for NFL players, I respect their right to kneel and it doesn't cause me to clutch my pearls. But if I had a magic wand, I'd ban those who kneel and haven't done any community outreach.

Rag on CK all you want, but he's put his money and time where his mouth was. Wish more NFL players did the same...I'd have a bit more respect for where they're coming from then.


Oh, man, "keyboard Social Justice Warriors" hits the nail right on the head.

I've been heavily involved with a camp for mentally disabled people for over 20 years. It's a great camp. 100% volunteer and donation based (ie, no one is pocketing money), very well respected in the community.....wonderful cause. So I decided to do an experiment for my birthday this year. Facebook has that new "Donate to a charity for my birthday" feature, so I thought "why the hell not" and kicked off a campaign for my birthday to benefit this camp.

And the experiment part of it was that before I started it, I made a mental note of all my facebook friends who love to constantly repost dubious articles about social injustice. You know the ones. Kids in Africa starving. Dogs abused. Homeless people starving, etc, etc. All real issues, to be sure, but you know the person posting those stories isn't doing a damn thing about them other than taking a half second to reshare those stories.

So I noted all these people on my friends list and kicked off the campaign.

Sure enough, not a single person on that list, many of which I'm close friends and/or family with, donated a single penny. I posted updates a few times per week for 3 weeks. Even made a general post inviting people to "do more than just reshare viral videos and make an actual impact on a great cause"...and still not a single one of them donated.

That said, I did raise $850. And you know who donated? The people who rarely say a word about that stuff. The quiet ones who roll their eyes when someone starts going on a tirade about some obscure cause.

ie, the people who value real empathy and altruism over the appearance of empathy and altruism.


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 Post subject: Re: NFL Players Renew Anthem Protests
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Louis Lipps Service wrote:
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ie, the people who value real apathy and altruism over the appearance of apathy and altruism.


i think you mean empathy :D

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jebrick wrote:
Louis Lipps Service wrote:
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ie, the people who value real apathy and altruism over the appearance of apathy and altruism.


i think you mean empathy :D


Hahahaha. Good catch.


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jebrick wrote:
Louis Lipps Service wrote:
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ie, the people who value real apathy and altruism over the appearance of apathy and altruism.


i think you mean empathy :D


He's apathetic about empathy :lol:

LLS- nice work you do!


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Im not a Trump supporter at all but these unending protests are annoying. The players should have protested 1 game and spoke their peace and moved on. The nfl should just keep them in the locker room until after the anthem is over or maybe not play the anthem at all.


This is classic. Those damn annoying social injustice protests. What an irritation and inconvenience.

Why can’t they be done somewhere no one sees them?


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Louis Lipps Service wrote:
Donnie Brasco wrote:

Well said.
People are offended by everything these days. Makes for a bunch of keyboard Social Justice Warriors who do diddly squat to improve other peoples' lives when it actually comes down to doing shit and making changes.

People want to block traffic and protest, but don't have the wherewithal to ask for a meeting with the mayor or their councilperson or police chief to make grass roots changes with whatever issue they may have.

And while I don't agree with the kneeling for NFL players, I respect their right to kneel and it doesn't cause me to clutch my pearls. But if I had a magic wand, I'd ban those who kneel and haven't done any community outreach.

Rag on CK all you want, but he's put his money and time where his mouth was. Wish more NFL players did the same...I'd have a bit more respect for where they're coming from then.


Oh, man, "keyboard Social Justice Warriors" hits the nail right on the head.

I've been heavily involved with a camp for mentally disabled people for over 20 years. It's a great camp. 100% volunteer and donation based (ie, no one is pocketing money), very well respected in the community.....wonderful cause. So I decided to do an experiment for my birthday this year. Facebook has that new "Donate to a charity for my birthday" feature, so I thought "why the hell not" and kicked off a campaign for my birthday to benefit this camp.

And the experiment part of it was that before I started it, I made a mental note of all my facebook friends who love to constantly repost dubious articles about social injustice. You know the ones. Kids in Africa starving. Dogs abused. Homeless people starving, etc, etc. All real issues, to be sure, but you know the person posting those stories isn't doing a damn thing about them other than taking a half second to reshare those stories.

So I noted all these people on my friends list and kicked off the campaign.

Sure enough, not a single person on that list, many of which I'm close friends and/or family with, donated a single penny. I posted updates a few times per week for 3 weeks. Even made a general post inviting people to "do more than just reshare viral videos and make an actual impact on a great cause"...and still not a single one of them donated.

That said, I did raise $850. And you know who donated? The people who rarely say a word about that stuff. The quiet ones who roll their eyes when someone starts going on a tirade about some obscure cause.

ie, the people who value real empathy and altruism over the appearance of empathy and altruism.


Dude that's an awesome thing to do! I can just imagine the impact that you've made and the impact it's also made on your life.

I spend most of my time doing work for causes related to animals. I always feel like, in general, human beings have some control over their circumstances, but animals essentially have none.

But I agree with you. Most people will speak out if it's convenient, but will never do anything to further their cause. As Brasco said, people can bash Kaepernick all they want, but he's more than put his money where his mouth is which I have full respect for.

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Still raising awareness about that anti-black federal police force during national anthem.

Good for them.


Maybe next week they could take a break from raising awareness about the “anti-black” police and raise some awareness about anti-black violence committed by other blacks.

Something that puts far more people in the ground than the other. So much so you’d think it would be an issue near and dear.

I guess they just don’t have the time.


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955876 wrote:
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Still raising awareness about that anti-black federal police force during national anthem.

Good for them.


Maybe next week they could take a break from raising awareness about the “anti-black” police and raise some awareness about anti-black violence committed by other blacks.

Something that puts far more people in the ground than the other. So much so you’d think it would be an issue near and dear.

I guess they just don’t have the time.


Perhaps it is the same reason they do not protest anti-white crime by white people.

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ie, the people who value real empathy and altruism over the appearance of empathy and altruism.


Facebook is a fantastic platform for virtue signaling, so all your friends can see what a good person you are. But then, as you point out, when it comes to actually doing something....

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955876 wrote:
Miter Saw wrote:
Still raising awareness about that anti-black federal police force during national anthem.

Good for them.


Maybe next week they could take a break from raising awareness about the “anti-black” police and raise some awareness about anti-black violence committed by other blacks.

Something that puts far more people in the ground than the other. So much so you’d think it would be an issue near and dear.

I guess they just don’t have the time.


I'm Black and there has ALWAYS been crimes committed against each individuals own ethnicity. Blacks kill Blacks, White's kill White's, Hispanics kill Hispanics etc etc. This is NOT the issue. The issue is White Cops killing Blacks for no apparent reason other than the color of our skin. See you don't have to worry about this because you are White. As a Black man I worry about this. I worry for my children as well. White cops shooting Blacks in the Back while fleeing is ridiculous. It's unfortunate but I don't trust White Police Officers unlike you who see them as your friend.

They are not protesting against the Military either. That is a BS lie. I am a Disabled Vet and I know what the protesting is about and it's not against our Country or those who choose to defend it.


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