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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2018 2:36 pm 
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He confirms it: Bellicheat >Tomlin

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/m/bb9ffe59-77a2-39e5-bdb6-49d68874e823/ss_james-harrison%3A-%27i%27ve-seen.html

Deebo's feeling are a bit hurt when it comes to Tomlin, but I think he hits the nail on the head really well here. We all knew this already so it should come as no surprise. Unfortunately for all Steeler fans, Tomlin has a job till he decides to leave it. I wonder if he will even read the article and what he reaction will be. I do know it will not change him in any way for the better of the team - Tomlin is too narcissistic! He likes being their buddy!

I find it deliciously ironic that James Harrison is criticizing the Steelers and Tomlin because players aren't all on the same page and doing what they're supposed to do... considering the biggest play of his career was... him not doing what he was supposed to do.

I don't think there's any joy in Belichick's way. WTF wants to play football like that, root for that? Fuck them and the horse they rode in on. I'll bet you, to a man, those Patriots with multiple rings would trade them all for one where they were allowed to enjoy the game they love to play.


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 Post subject: Re: Deebo clarifies that water is wet and Tomlin sucks
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It's not necessarily coaching. The way he described it was more like a play was called by the green dot, and then before the play, Mike Mitchell called something different for coverage.

I mean, at that level of football, there are a lot of moving parts to a D, unless you're playing a ton of man with a vanilla 4 man rush. Which the steelers weren't.

I interpreted what he said as: the playcalls and adjustments the Steelers were trying to use exceeded the capabilities of the players being asked to communicte, adjust, and execute the calls.

You can ask Tomlin and Butler to dumb things down, or you can clear out guys who were not communicating and executing. They seem to have chosen the latter.


No- he described it as two different playcalls coming in from the sideline, B2B.

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 Post subject: Re: Deebo clarifies that water is wet and Tomlin sucks
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It's not necessarily coaching. The way he described it was more like a play was called by the green dot, and then before the play, Mike Mitchell called something different for coverage.

I mean, at that level of football, there are a lot of moving parts to a D, unless you're playing a ton of man with a vanilla 4 man rush. Which the steelers weren't.

I interpreted what he said as: the playcalls and adjustments the Steelers were trying to use exceeded the capabilities of the players being asked to communicte, adjust, and execute the calls.

You can ask Tomlin and Butler to dumb things down, or you can clear out guys who were not communicating and executing. They seem to have chosen the latter.


No- he described it as two different playcalls coming in from the sideline, B2B.

Nah...Bruce Arians’ fault, Dick LeBeau’s fault, Todd Haley’s fault, Mike Mitchell’s fault...
Never, ever, EVER Mike Tomlin’s fault!!!

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 Post subject: Re: More from Deebo
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""Mike Tomlin is good as a head coach," Harrison said. "He's a players' coach. I think he needs to be a little bit more disciplined."

A lot of people here - who aren't in the locker room, as B2B loves to point out - have been saying this for years.

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 Post subject: Re: More from Deebo
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""Mike Tomlin is good as a head coach," Harrison said. "He's a players' coach. I think he needs to be a little bit more disciplined."

A lot of people here - who aren't in the locker room, as B2B loves to point out - have been saying this for years.

I can agree with that, but that's not the same thing as saying "Mike Tomlin sucks" which is how some would interpret it.


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 Post subject: Re: More from Deebo
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""Mike Tomlin is good as a head coach," Harrison said. "He's a players' coach. I think he needs to be a little bit more disciplined

A bit ironic that James Harrison says Aviators needs to be more disciplined, when he was the biggest discipline problem last season... :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: More from Deebo
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Jobus Rum wrote:
A bit ironic that James Harrison says Aviators needs to be more disciplined, when he was the biggest discipline problem last season... :lol:


This is a good point. How big of a problem/distraction must Harrison have had to be to actually get cut when NE is looking for LBers?

They did a good job of keeping that in house, because it's pretty extraordinary he got cut when you think about it all.

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 Post subject: Re: More from Deebo
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BTW...there’s also a difference between miscommunication and occasional improvisation on defense...so comparing what Harrison did in the Super Bowl to there being two plays being sent in from the sideline is kinda ridiculous.

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 Post subject: Re: More from Deebo
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BTW...there’s also a difference between miscommunication and occasional improvisation on defense...so comparing what Harrison did in the Super Bowl to there being two plays being sent in from the sideline is kinda ridiculous.


Right!! Another bogus defense of Tomlin by B2B.


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Obviously there's less chance for confusion when you only send in 1 playcall.

It's also a lot easier to get that 1 playcall right when you cheat :cry:

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 Post subject: Re: More from Deebo
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Most folks posting on this discussion board agree Tomlin's lack of discipline has contributed to many avoidable locker room and on the field issues that have proved detrimental to the team's success. No, doesn't mean Tomlin sucks. Just means Tomlin is who he is. That said, Always room for improvement.


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 Post subject: Re: More from Deebo
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 Post subject: Re: More from Deebo
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Steelafan77 wrote:
Most folks posting on this discussion board agree Tomlin's lack of discipline has contributed to many avoidable locker room and on the field issues that have proved detrimental to the team's success. No, doesn't mean Tomlin sucks. Just means Tomlin is who he is. That said, Always room for improvement.


A "players coach" that has numerous locker room and off-field problems sucks at his job.

I don't get everyone being so hell-bent on the Patriots cheating. The Giants twice (!) showed the only way to beat Brady.

How hard is it to repeatedly own a guy that took a decade to realize you must play man against the Patriots' fleet of midget receivers?

Tomlin is a fucking bum.


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 Post subject: Re: More from Deebo
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I think there's a large gulf between Belichick and bum. No matter what you think of Tomlin, he resides somewhere on the positive side of that gulf. He has warts, but he has some positives, as well. Just like Bill Cowher before him, who was also owned by Brady and Belichick.


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 Post subject: Re: More from Deebo
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Jobus Rum wrote:
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""Mike Tomlin is good as a head coach," Harrison said. "He's a players' coach. I think he needs to be a little bit more disciplined

A bit ironic that James Harrison says Aviators needs to be more disciplined, when he was the biggest discipline problem last season... :lol:

Yep, and all that history of the James Harrison Discipline Cancer certainly absolves Tomlin of all blame...

</sarca>

...but seriously folks...

Harrison got cut because he was vocal in pointing out the bullshit for what it was, and "Supreme Leader" Tomlin couldn't handle that kind of insubordination. :roll:

Obviously...

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 Post subject: Re: Deebo clarifies that water is wet and Tomlin sucks
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Jobus Rum wrote:
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It's not necessarily coaching. The way he described it was more like a play was called by the green dot, and then before the play, Mike Mitchell called something different for coverage.

I mean, at that level of football, there are a lot of moving parts to a D, unless you're playing a ton of man with a vanilla 4 man rush. Which the steelers weren't.

I interpreted what he said as: the playcalls and adjustments the Steelers were trying to use exceeded the capabilities of the players being asked to communicte, adjust, and execute the calls.

You can ask Tomlin and Butler to dumb things down, or you can clear out guys who were not communicating and executing. They seem to have chosen the latter.


No- he described it as two different playcalls coming in from the sideline, B2B.

Nah...Bruce Arians’ fault, Dick LeBeau’s fault, Todd Haley’s fault, Mike Mitchell’s fault...
Never, ever, EVER Mike Tomlin’s fault!!!

Never Art2’s fault. It’s starts and ends there. Robert Kraft has more gumption in his big toe. Where Art2 Thou?


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 Post subject: Re: Deebo clarifies that water is wet and Tomlin sucks
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Suwanee88 wrote:
Jobus Rum wrote:
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No- he described it as two different playcalls coming in from the sideline, B2B.

Nah...Bruce Arians’ fault, Dick LeBeau’s fault, Todd Haley’s fault, Mike Mitchell’s fault...
Never, ever, EVER Mike Tomlin’s fault!!!

Never Art2’s fault. It’s starts and ends there. Robert Kraft has more gumption in his big toe. Where Art2 Thou?

You'll get back to us after the Patsies have been hamstrung by The Kraft Rule, right?

...feet be riddled with bullet holes... :cry:

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 Post subject: Re: More from Deebo
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Steeledge wrote:
Yep, and all that history of the James Harrison Discipline Cancer certainly absolves Tomlin of all blame...

</sarca>

No one argued that.


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...but seriously folks...

Harrison got cut because he was vocal in pointing out the bullshit for what it was, and "Supreme Leader" Tomlin couldn't handle that kind of insubordination. :roll:

Obviously...

No, Harrison was cut because he wouldn't accept a reduced role in the defense and he wouldn't adapt to changes in the defensive scheme. He wasn't "vocal" so much as he was disruptive and/or didn't show up:
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Dupree said Harrison would leave the stadium as soon as he found out he was inactive the past four or five weeks, often didn’t practice or attend meetings and rarely would come in the locker room. Said he wouldn’t visit Ryan Shazier in hospital, either
https://twitter.com/PaulZeise/status/946159599018823682

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Among ways Harrison tried to get himself out of Pittsburgh, one team source said Harrison was known to sleep in a recliner chair during position meetings and snore loudly while Joey Porter would teach.
https://twitter.com/JFowlerESPN/status/ ... 7175724032

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 Post subject: Re: More from Deebo
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Pabst wrote:
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Yep, and all that history of the James Harrison Discipline Cancer certainly absolves Tomlin of all blame...

</sarca>

No one argued that.


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...but seriously folks...

Harrison got cut because he was vocal in pointing out the bullshit for what it was, and "Supreme Leader" Tomlin couldn't handle that kind of insubordination. :roll:

Obviously...

No, Harrison was cut because he wouldn't accept a reduced role in the defense and he wouldn't adapt to changes in the defensive scheme. He wasn't "vocal" so much as he was disruptive and/or didn't show up:
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Dupree said Harrison would leave the stadium as soon as he found out he was inactive the past four or five weeks, often didn’t practice or attend meetings and rarely would come in the locker room. Said he wouldn’t visit Ryan Shazier in hospital, either... :o
https://twitter.com/PaulZeise/status/946159599018823682

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Among ways Harrison tried to get himself out of Pittsburgh, one team source said Harrison was known to sleep in a recliner chair during position meetings and snore loudly while Joey Porter would teach.
https://twitter.com/JFowlerESPN/status/ ... 7175724032

...based on the re-tweeted words of that hapless wannabe-Harrison-but-couldn't-hold-his-jockstrap Dupy and "one team source"?!

:roll:

Look, post quotes of all the he said/he said you want, it doesn't change the fact that the whole Harrison mishandling was as much (probably more so) Tomlin's fuck up as anybody else's! :evil:
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Steeledge wrote:
...based on the re-tweeted words of that hapless wannabe-Harrison-but-couldn't-hold-his-jockstrap Dupy and "one team source"?!

:roll:

Look, post quotes of all the he said/he said you want, it doesn't change the fact that the whole Harrison mishandling was as much (probably more so) Tomlin's fuck up as anybody else's! :evil:
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There is no "he said/he said". Several teammates shared those stories and Harrison never denied any of it. Also that is not a "fact", that is your (unsubstantiated) opinion.

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Pabst wrote:
that is your (unsubstantiated) opinion.

first, why would an opinion need to be "substantiated"?? :roll:
second, I believe Harrison when he said he was getting the run around from Shyster Tomlin since before the season

In fact, we all got fed that well-rehearsed line of bullshit: here's an actual news story, not "unsubstantiated" re-tweets

Sure, perhaps Harrison's acting out of frustration was not his best move, but you sit on the sidelines and watch your team suffer through getting Bud-fucked, knowing you'd do a much better job and perhaps be a difference maker for the team winning or losing over the course of half a season, and see if it doesn't start to wear on you...
:roll:

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Steeledge wrote:
Pabst wrote:
that is your (unsubstantiated) opinion.

first, why would an opinion need to be "substantiated"?? :roll:

This is the dumbest comment I've read in a long time. Congrats.

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second, I believe Harrison when he said he was getting the run around from Shyster Tomlin since before the season

That's nice. He's also a malcontent with a history of making inflammatory comments. Pardon me if I don't take him at his word.

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In fact, we all got fed that well-rehearsed line of bullshit: here's an actual news story, not "unsubstantiated" re-tweets

OMG! An NFL coach is bullshitting a reporter! *clutches pearls*

Why people pay attention to pressers is beyond me. Maybe Tomlin didn't want to air grievances to the media?

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Sure, perhaps Harrison's acting out of frustration was not his best move, but you sit on the sidelines and watch your team suffer through getting Bud-fucked, knowing you'd do a much better job and perhaps be a difference maker for the team winning or losing over the course of half a season, and see if it doesn't start to wear on you...
:roll:

I'm sure it would. And I'm sure if I started acting like a jackass I'd get thrown out on the street, too.

BTW, didn't Bill Bellichick bench his #1 defensive player in the Super Bowl for some BS reason? My main complaint through all of these threads is that people go apeshit at Tomlin for things that apply to pretty much any NFL coach.

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Pabst wrote:
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In fact, we all got fed that well-rehearsed line of bullshit: here's an actual news story, not "unsubstantiated" re-tweets

OMG! An NFL coach is bullshitting a reporter! *clutches pearls*

Why people pay attention to pressers is beyond me. Maybe Tomlin didn't want to air grievances to the media?

...and you'll float out some turds you found swirling around the twitterverse drain in an effort to state your Tomlin Defense case...

are we expected to "pay attention" to a bunch of twits as a better source of truth?
:roll:

also, that article was from September 19... what grievances was he averting after week 2?!

nah, never mind, not wasting any more time on this...

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...and you'll float out some turds you found swirling around the twitterverse drain in an effort to state your Tomlin Defense case...

are we expected to "pay attention" to a bunch of twits as a better source of truth?
:roll:

also, that article was from September 19... what grievances was he averting after week 2?!

nah, never mind, not wasting any more time on this...

They're quotes from Steelers players calling out Harrison's behavior. In this case, specifically Dupree and Pouncey.

And perhaps Harrison was upset with his role in week 2 and made comments to Tomlin/teammates about it? I don't know....and here's the thing - neither do you, yet you're casting blame on Tomlin based entirely on Harrison's comments. And, once again, he has not refuted anything his teammates have said.

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Bellichick may be the best Coach.
But what if Noll HAD Drafted Dan Marino?
What if Bill Walsh DOESN'T retire and the 49ers kept Montana?
What if Bill Parcells had Brady at NE for the last 20 years?
What about Cowher with Ben his entire career? the '95, '97, 2001 & 2004 teams (Ben wouldn't be a Rookie there) ALL had great potential to win rings.

NFL history is a funny thing. Hell even Tomlin's 2014 team was smoking until the freak injury to Bell during the last game of that season.

All the Pats SB's have been nail biters and having a Franchise HOF QB to barely pull out 5 of them has been a big defining part of Belli's legacy. They could be 0 - 8, should be 3 - 5, and were VERY LUCKY to be giftwrapped two rings. Plus spending 18 full seasons never have to face another competitive team with a Franchise QB in their division. Ironically now at the end all the teams might actually have one now. Way too late to spoil the NE party.

We'll never truly know what he could have done all these years without Brady, we only have the Cleveland years to give us hints.
He's definitely great, but best ever, not really sure


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