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 Post subject: SI has Steelers at 11-5 record
PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 6:12 pm 
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Si has Steelers at 11-5 and winning AFC North. The rest of the division doesn't even play 500. The test is the Jags at Jaks in week 11. See if they can get over that hump after two butt kicks.


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If the Steelers win 10 or more games this year that would be 5 straight seasons of 10+ wins. The only other time in team history they've had 5 years in a row with 10+ wins was '72-'76.

They were 8-2 in one score games last year, which was easily the best mark in the NFL. It's hard to duplicate too, usually that averages out over time. Law of averages, luck of the bounce, etc. 4-2 in 2016. 4-4 in 2015. 4-3 in 2014. 2-5 in 2013. We saw what the defense looked like without Shazier.

I'm optimistic, but there are some reasons to be cautious. I can see 9-7 if we're not lucky on injuries and the D struggles.

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If the Steelers win 10 or more games this year that would be 5 straight seasons of 10+ wins. The only other time in team history they've had 5 years in a row with 10+ wins was '72-'76.

They were 8-2 in one score games last year, which was easily the best mark in the NFL. It's hard to duplicate too, usually that averages out over time. Law of averages, luck of the bounce, etc. 4-2 in 2016. 4-4 in 2015. 4-3 in 2014. 2-5 in 2013. We saw what the defense looked like without Shazier.

I'm optimistic, but there are some reasons to be cautious. I can see 9-7 if we're not lucky on injuries and the D struggles.


How many championships did Steelers win these 5 straight seasons of 10+ wins? Oh yeah....none.


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They are a good team that sucks in the big game. Its the little things that win championships. Not just talent on the field. Leadership being the big thing lacking at every level. This team has never seemed all in. Gotta rationalize their utter failure in the playoffs somehow.

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They are a good team that sucks in the big game. Its the little things that win championships. Not just talent on the field. Leadership being the big thing lacking at every level. This team has never seemed all in. Gotta rationalize their utter failure in the playoffs somehow.

Starts at the top...

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Record doesn't matter as long as they're in, health status on week 17 does.

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If the Steelers win 10 or more games this year that would be 5 straight seasons of 10+ wins. The only other time in team history they've had 5 years in a row with 10+ wins was '72-'76.

They were 8-2 in one score games last year, which was easily the best mark in the NFL. It's hard to duplicate too, usually that averages out over time. Law of averages, luck of the bounce, etc. 4-2 in 2016. 4-4 in 2015. 4-3 in 2014. 2-5 in 2013. We saw what the defense looked like without Shazier.

I'm optimistic, but there are some reasons to be cautious. I can see 9-7 if we're not lucky on injuries and the D struggles.


How many championships did Steelers win these 5 straight seasons of 10+ wins? Oh yeah....none.

The Steelers are good until they face teams that can play at their level or higher. I haven't seen this team yet rise to another level when the situation requires them to. Do I have to list the teams this Steelers organization struggle to compete with? I think we all know who those teams are. It's a broken record every season. Like breaking the franchise season sack number last season. What difference did it make in the end? 11-5 sounds plausible.


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The Steelers are good until they face teams that can play at their level or higher.


It's really no one team. Routinely outcoached against teams with similar talent levels.

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Maddening. Every season we as fans try to analyze the issues and every season these similar [from the season before] issues are not resolved by the Steelers themselves.


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 Post subject: Re: SI has Steelers at 11-5 record
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from reading this thread...

A. are the Steelers good until they play someone at or above their level, or do they play down to their opponents and lose to bad teams?

B. Are they on the verge of 5 consecutive 10 win seasons for only the second time in team history AND YET their head coach sucks?

The Steelers have many problems to address, but the weird expectations of their fans are one of the most daunting.

The main problem the Steelers had last year is that they didn't quite win their last game and they didn't win a championship.

If they can figure out a way to be more responsible in the secondary, let the best DBs play... and get at least average play from whoever lines up at ILB... they could be as good or better than they were last year with Shazier (top 10). I think the changes they have been making are on the right track and they played pretty well until injuries started to pile up.

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bradshaw2ben wrote:
from reading this thread...

A. are the Steelers good until they play someone at or above their level, or do they play down to their opponents and lose to bad teams?

B. Are they on the verge of 5 consecutive 10 win seasons for only the second time in team history AND YET their head coach sucks?

The Steelers have many problems to address, but the weird expectations of their fans are one of the most daunting.

The main problem the Steelers had last year is that they didn't quite win their last game and they didn't win a championship.

If they can figure out a way to be more responsible in the secondary, let the best DBs play... and get at least average play from whoever lines up at ILB... they could be as good or better than they were last year with Shazier (top 10). I think the changes they have been making are on the right track and they played pretty well until injuries started to pile up.


I think you already know that the usual suspects are going to go with ‘B’ with the usual declaration that Ben walks on water and Tomlin is a hindrance to success.

I do have much less faith in Tomlin than I used to.

The communication issues in the secondary are abhorrent at this point.

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All the above. Perhaps add into the scenario 'luck' regarding player health. If they're lucky all their playmakers stay healthy all season.


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Kodiak wrote:
Steelafan77 wrote:
The Steelers are good until they face teams that can play at their level or higher.


It's really no one team. Routinely outcoached against teams with similar talent levels.

Or QBed by Mike Glennon...

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B2B, I really like what I am hearing from the players in the secondary.

One of Wade Phillips greatest virtues, in whatever city he was coaching, was that he came in and simplified things for his secondary. I remember when he went down to Houston and got that Texans secondary to play fast, play aggressive and he did it by simplifying things in the secondary.

Why am I talking about Phillips? Because it seems like Tom Bradley has come in and got Butler/Tomlin to buy into the same exact thing Phillips does. I have read interviews with Brian Allen, Cam Sutton, Joe Haden and to a man they are talking about things slowing down, things being more clear, terminology being simplified, things being streamlined, players being put in position to play up to their speed, size, athletic ability, playmaking ability.

I never believed that Dick LeBeau's complicated bullshit put our players in the best position to succeed. I think all it did was neuter our players. Only the superhuman Polamalu's and Shaziers could overcome the shackles, the dead weight of his defense.

I actually have a real good feeling about our defense this year, I think the additions of Dunbar and Bradley is going to transform this defense for the better. I think more man to man press coverage is going to happen, if last season we were 88% zone, 12 % man, I think this season it could be 60 zone/40 man. And I think with Dunbar we could finally see more 4-3 looks and this has already been reported/talked about in OTAs. Obviously when training camp starts and the preseason games come we will see if this does come to fruition, but I am excited.

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Jobus Rum wrote:
Kodiak wrote:
Steelafan77 wrote:
The Steelers are good until they face teams that can play at their level or higher.


It's really no one team. Routinely outcoached against teams with similar talent levels.

Or QBed by Mike Glennon...

Or Blake Bortles.... :P

Rooting for the defense to be a lot improved Scunge.


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bradshaw2ben wrote:
The Steelers have many problems to address, but the weird expectations of their fans are one of the most daunting.
Seriously. There is much quality analysis on this site yet one has to sift through so much garbage to get it. It sometimes feels like a room full of 12 year olds talking to adults and being taken seriously as though it were normal.

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The Steelers have many problems to address, but the weird expectations of their fans are one of the most daunting.
Seriously. There is much quality analysis on this site yet one has to sift through so much garbage to get it. It sometimes feels like a room full of 12 year olds talking to adults and being taken seriously as though it were normal.


What’s juvenile about wishing ball cancer on an Internet opponent?

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COR-TEN wrote:
bradshaw2ben wrote:
The Steelers have many problems to address, but the weird expectations of their fans are one of the most daunting.
Seriously. There is much quality analysis on this site yet one has to sift through so much garbage to get it. It sometimes feels like a room full of 12 year olds talking to adults and being taken seriously as though it were normal.


Let me get this straight. B2B suggests that fans's expectations are among the Steelers most daunting problems?? They going to hire a coach for this, too?

Gee...excuse us for wanting our team not to be outreached in every big game....to stand picking its ass while replays are being reviewed, to pitch wide on 4th & an inch to go with no QB sneak in the playbook....to not have practiced redzone plays with it's freakishly tall receiver, to go with an onside kick when you're sitting with 3 timeouts and two minutes left.


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Well SI may not know Steelers all too well. As they could go 13-3 as they have almost all winning seasons under coach Tomlin.

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 Post subject: Re: SI has Steelers at 11-5 record
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Could care less if they go 8-8 or 14-2.

Real test is when this team gets into the playoffs. Tomlin's track record hasn't been so hot in that regard over the past few seasons.

2010 was a long time ago...


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Kodiak wrote:
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The Steelers are good until they face teams that can play at their level or higher.


It's really no one team. Routinely outcoached against teams with similar talent levels.


I would have to a disagree with you on half that comment.
They are routinely outcoached against teams with inferior talent levels

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COR-TEN wrote:
bradshaw2ben wrote:
The Steelers have many problems to address, but the weird expectations of their fans are one of the most daunting.
Seriously. There is much quality analysis on this site yet one has to sift through so much garbage to get it. It sometimes feels like a room full of 12 year olds talking to adults and being taken seriously as though it were normal.


Let me get this straight. B2B suggests that fans's expectations are among the Steelers most daunting problems?? They going to hire a coach for this, too?

Gee...excuse us for wanting our team not to be outreached in every big game....to stand picking its ass while replays are being reviewed, to pitch wide on 4th & an inch to go with no QB sneak in the playbook....to not have practiced redzone plays with it's freakishly tall receiver, to go with an onside kick when you're sitting with 3 timeouts and two minutes left.


But he's never had a losing season.

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I still think they play not to lose and still, even with this supposed super offensive talent, still go to the turtle too soon with a small lead, and on the other hand, play too conservative early and wait until they fall way behind to play the way they should play from the start.


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I still think they play not to lose and still, even with this supposed super offensive talent, still go to the turtle too soon with a small lead, and on the other hand, play too conservative early and wait until they fall way behind to play the way they should play from the start.

Did they do that with Arians as OC?


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