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Porter may have fallen out of favor as a coach, but he was a pretty damn good olb on this team, and definitely a leader and tone setter on a team that won Lombardi number 5. Comparing him to a first round bust is recently biased and kind of insulting to the player.


Who fills that role as tone setter now? it was Deebo and JPeezy and Lloyd before that. I think the job is open.

Mr. Watt, your time has come.

Doopee, with luck, might ride in his wake, but that's about as much as can be expected at this point...

Well, that's too bad, because Watt really fell off the table last year in terms of pass rushing. He's just as much a question mark in that area as Dupree. Watt has been outstanding in coverage, though. Could we see Watt at Mack on some first downs or in dime?

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.... may have fallen out of favor as a coach, but he was a pretty damn good olb on this team, and definitely a leader and tone setter on a team that won Lombardi number 5. Comparing him to a first round bust is recently biased and kind of insulting to the player.[/quote]

Who fills that role as tone setter now? it was Deebo and JPeezy and Lloyd before that. I think the job is open.[/quote]
Mr. Watt, your time has come.

Doopee, with luck, might ride in his wake, but that's about as much as can be expected at this point...[/quote]
Well, that's too bad, because Watt really fell off the table last year in terms of pass rushing. He's just as much a question mark in that area as Dupree. Watt has been outstanding in coverage, though. Could we see Watt at Mack on some first downs or in dime?[/quote]




B2B: was wondering yours and ithers’ Opinion on Watt. Dupree switching sides? Good thing. Fit either player better? Wait and see at this point?


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B2B: was wondering yours and ithers’ Opinion on Watt. Dupree switching sides? Good thing. Fit either player better? Wait and see at this point?

I'm in favor, for the moment, because I've thought from the beginning that Dupree a better fit on on defensive right side and I think it will also mean more man coverage (Watt on some TEs).

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I'm in favor, for the moment, because I've thought from the beginning that Dupree a better fit on left side and I think it will also mean more man coverage (Watt on some TEs).

You mean right side?

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.... may have fallen out of favor as a coach, but he was a pretty damn good olb on this team, and definitely a leader and tone setter on a team that won Lombardi number 5. Comparing him to a first round bust is recently biased and kind of insulting to the player.


Who fills that role as tone setter now? it was Deebo and JPeezy and Lloyd before that. I think the job is open.

Mr. Watt, your time has come.

Doopee, with luck, might ride in his wake, but that's about as much as can be expected at this point...[/quote]
Well, that's too bad, because Watt really fell off the table last year in terms of pass rushing. He's just as much a question mark in that area as Dupree. Watt has been outstanding in coverage, though. Could we see Watt at Mack on some first downs or in dime?[/quote


B2B: was wondering yours and ithers’ Opinion on Watt. Dupree switching sides? Good thing. Fit either player better? Wait and see at this point?[/quote]
I'm in favor, for the moment, because I've thought from the beginning that Dupree a better fit on defensive right side and I think it will also mean more man coverage (Watt on some TEs).[/quote]



Ok. Right on man. Thanks.


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Steelers need to find another OLB before the start of this season.


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Steelers need to find another OLB before the start of this season.

I think they like Adams and Huguenin A LOT. The guy on the outs is Chickillo. Add a guy off waivers for a camp competition and pick the best 3 backups.

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I agree on both guys Adams and Hugenin both are very raw and I also worry about lake of depth.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 7:27 pm 
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Bud Dupree has failed to live up to his draft billing so far. From 354 pass-rushing snaps in the 2017 regular season, he produced just 40 total pressures, and he has just 83 total pressures since he entered the league in 2015. http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/stee ... 1806270142
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Bud Dupree has failed to live up to his draft billing so far. From 354 pass-rushing snaps in the 2017 regular season, he produced just 40 total pressures, and he has just 83 total pressures since he entered the league in 2015. http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/stee ... 1806270142
Hmmm....

PFF had Artie Burns as a high quality player in 2017 and his performance was near the bottom of the NFL, adjusted for competition. They had Ben out of the elite category, and he played out of his mind the last 10 games of the season and wasn't as bad as advertised before that, even. That's all I have to say. IDK WTF they're looking at or how they're evaluating it.

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Agree. Laughed out loud after reading the article. The whole pff thing is so ridiculous. Why I posted that. To me it means Dupree actually was better than claimed. Apparently, sports fans really buy into their rankings and horseshit stats. Was a little surprised to see the gazette supporting their garbage. I did however enjoy the video snips of the Steelers making the top 100. That too is a bit of a popularity contest. Anyway, slow offseason.


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what make hem think playing against the left tackle this year will increase his sack total ? and i don't think he has 10 career sacks going into this season.


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what make hem think playing against the left tackle this year will increase his sack total ? and i don't think he has 10 career sacks going into this season.

He has 14.5 in 24 games. I had to look to make sure that was right.

Jarvis Jones had 5 in his first 24 games, 6 total in his career.

As for the left tackle thing, Dupree is a power rusher and should be a difficult matchup for many LTs, who usually have a more finesse game.

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I think to be really accurate Bud has 14.5 sacks in 38 games played. His rookie year he is only credited with 5 games started but was active for all 16 games. Woodley had what, some 60-ish snaps as a rookie but Bud Dupree had something like 570 snaps? Dupree was for all intents and purposes a starter as a rookie.

Saying he has 14.5 sacks in just 24 games is misleading. To me he has played in 44 games (counting playoffs) and he has 15 sacks. So, 1 sack for every 3 games played. That is not good enough. You spend a 1st rounder on an OLB so he can give you 5 sacks a year?

Also, when you look at the passes defensed, he is only credited with 3? 38 games played and you have only 3 passes defensed and 0 INTs? :cry:

TJ Watt playing that ROLB spot, he had 7 passes defensed and 1 INT in 15 games, as a rookie. Watt moving to that LOLB position is just the perfect move to make. Watt can do anything and play any of the linebacker positions. He has the size, length, smarts, and work ethic and desire to be a great football player, period. I can see Watt having 10 sacks this year at LOLB and also be double digits in passes defensed and end up with 3 or 4 INTs all while playing the run pretty well.

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 Post subject: Re: Dupy says he can deliver double digit sacks this season
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what make hem think playing against the left tackle this year will increase his sack total ? and i don't think he has 10 career sacks going into this season.

He has 14.5 in 24 games. I had to look to make sure that was right.

Jarvis Jones had 5 in his first 24 games, 6 total in his career.

As for the left tackle thing, Dupree is a power rusher and should be a difficult matchup for many LTs, who usually have a more finesse game.


I guess we will see what happens with DUD but i hope i am wrong because him having a big sack season will only help the team.


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Quite frankly, I think them moving Dupree out from LOLB has just as much to do with his poor play against the run too.

Here is a game, which LOLB had which tackle per game average? Match the Steeler LOLB with the tackle per game avg.

Kevin Greene
Jason Gildon
Clark Haggans
Lamar Woodley
Bud Dupree

(1) 3.97 tackles per game
(2) 3.83
(3) 3.82
(4) 3.52
(5) 2.36

There is a second part to the game. Match the LOLB with what I call splash plays, ballhawking plays, an INT, a Forced Fumble, a Fumble recovery. It isn't all about sacks, your LOLB should be generating turnovers, always be around the ball.

(6) 23 combined INTs, FF, FR
(7) 22
(8) 13
(9) 12
(10) 2

Bud Dupree fans are going to be sorely disappointed if they choose to play this game. ;)

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Dupree is a lot more suited to chasing run plays from the backside, plus he was playing with one leg for a year and one arm for another.

Let's wait and see what happens in 2018 before we go crowing his ass OR writing him off.

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I am not waiting for anything, this year is his make it or break it year. He either shows up and plays well or he is gone in 2019, they cut him and use that $9.5 million elsewhere.

In terms of my game, yes, it is Bud Dupree who has the lowest tackles per game total at 2.36. It is Bud Dupree who has a whopping two splash plays, 1 FF, and 1 FR in 38 games played.

What I wouldn't give to have Bud play like Clark Haggans, a lowly 5th round pick, who ran a 5.01 40, had a lowly 31.5 vertical, and only did 20 reps. Haggans was the anti-Bud Dupree, looked, and tested like Jane at the combine but played like Tarzan.

Haggans played 4 years at that LOLB position. This is what he did in 57 games, 25 sacks, 230 tackles, 8 passes defensed, 1 INT, 8 forced fumbles, 3 fumble recoveries. He also had 3.5 sacks in the playoffs during that time.

Bud Dupree, if he stayed at LOLB this season would need to have 10.5 sacks, 140 tackles, 5 passes defensed, 1 INT, 7 forced fumbles, and 2 fumble recoveries and have 3 sacks in the playoffs JUST to match what Haggans did after 4 years.

By nearly every measure that you can look at, Dupree has fallen short of Haggans, Woodley, Gildon, and Greene.

What bothers me the most about Dupree is that too often he is a 'spectator', he is watching his teammates make a play and is not a participant. He has 3 games where he is not credited with a tackle or an assist, (0,0). How the hell does that happen? He has another 5 games where he is not credited with a tackle only an assist, (0,1). Again, how does that happen? How can you not be part of the action at LOLB? Those 8 games I mentioned the Steelers could have saved some money and put out an orange pylon in place of Dupree. I mean an orange pylon can accomplish the same 0 tackles, and maybe if the ball carrier, runner trips over the pylon it could get credit for a tackle :lol:

It is like Dupree is invisible out there for long stretches. Not getting sacks, not getting an INT, or a forced fumble, or a fumble recovery, not tipping a pass, and even not making a tackle, or even getting an assist on a tackle. It really is amazing to me, to have athleticism, speed and power that Clark Haggans could only dream of and yet play so poorly. The instincts just aren't there, sometimes you either have it or your don't and I fear Dupree falls into that latter category.

But yeah, I am all for moving him to ROLB and seeing if that helps him, what else can they do at this point?

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Barring a major injury. the Steelers could still cut Dupy next year and save 10m. Tomlin told him to pick it up as a veteran player and also show some leadership qualities. It now or never.


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Yeah, I saw that Tomlin interview too. Seems like they are not coddling him in any way this season. They expect him to step up not just as a player, as an OLB, but also as a leader. This is something that I talked about too a month or so ago. Some want to resign Art Moats for his presence in the locker room and his leadership, me I piss all over that idea. Why? Because a first round player like Bud Dupree, in his 4th season, should be picking up that mantle, should be one of your core players, one of your leaders.

The fact that he is really none of that, that his coaches are switching him to ROLB to jump start his career on the field, and his coaches are talking to the media about how he needs to step up and grow as a leader? Anybody who thinks that this is not a make or break year for Dupree aren't paying attention. He is in Jarvis Jones/Ziggy Hood territory right now, perhaps playing his 4th and final season with the team if he doesn't put it all together.

Many may think I am being harsh to Dupree but I am not really, I want him to break out, prove himself. The last thing we need is for yet another 1st rounder to not work out and for the team to spend yet another 1st round pick at OLB. ILB is probably in dire need of that future 1st round pick, we really need Dupree to pan out.

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I agree Scunge. I too am very skeptical Dupree puts it together after 4 seasons already in the league. I believe this is his last chance as a Steeler. Moving him to the strong side I think really is not in their best interest. Dupree wasn't able to dominate on the weak side against mediocre RT's what the hell makes them believe Dupree will win against NFL LT's? I think we are watching Dupree's last season in the Black and Gold.


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Steelafan77 wrote:
I agree Scunge. I too am very skeptical Dupree puts it together after 4 seasons already in the league. I believe this is his last chance as a Steeler. Moving him to the strong side I think really is not in their best interest. Dupree wasn't able to dominate on the weak side against mediocre RT's what the hell makes them believe Dupree will win against NFL LT's? I think we are watching Dupree's last season in the Black and Gold.


The difference between LT and RT nowadays is non-existent. There are just as many elite RTs as there are LTs in the NFL anymore. Lane Johnson, Mitchell Schwartz, Marcus Gilbert, Ryan Ramczyk, Bryan Bulaga, Demar Dotson, Ricky Wagner, Daryl Williams, Jack Conklin, Trent Brown...

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Sure. I still don't see Dupree improving on the strong side. Especially after being manhandled by TE's most of his career. LT's will destroy him. I would prefer to be inaccurate but I seriously doubt I am.


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