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 Post subject: New kickoff rules
PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 7:49 pm 
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NFL owners voted today to change the rules on kickoffs, with the following implemented for the 2018 season:

1. No running starts before the ball is kicked.
2. The kicking team must line up with five players on each side of the kicker.
3. At least two players on the kicking team must be outside the numbers.
4. At least two players on the kicking team must be between the numbers and the hashmarks.
5. At least eight players on the receiving team must be within 15 yards of their restraining line, which would typically mean between the kicking team’s 45-yard line and the receiving team’s 40-yard line.
6. Until the ball is touched or hits the ground, players on the receiving team can’t cross the restraining line (typically the 45), or initiate a block within 15 yards of the line where the ball is kicked.
7. No wedge blocks.
All of these rules are designed to limit the number of high-impact collisions on kickoffs, which the NFL says are the most dangerous players in football. Eventually the kickoff might be eliminated altogether. At least for this season, it is remaining in place bus changing significantly.


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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 8:05 pm 
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I hope this doesn't slow the game down [more] making it more unwatchable. Going through the motions or good intentions?

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 Post subject: Re: New kickoff rules
PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 8:12 pm 
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Increased use of replay in light of betting and helmet contact rules will slow the game more.

NFL head of officiating Al Riveron confirmed to reporters today that linemen who come out of their stances with their heads down and initiate contact with the top of the helmet will be penalized.
According to Tom Pelissero of NFL Media, Riveron was asked today at the league meeting, What if a defensive lineman coming out of his stance initiates contact with his head? “Can’t do it. He’s got to get his head up,” Riveron answered.
So NFL linemen are going to have to make significant changes to the way they do their jobs: In the past, linemen frequently made contact with their helmets when coming out of their stances. Now, they can’t.
Eventually, the NFL might just get rid of the three-point stance altogether. This new rule could be a first


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 Post subject: Re: New kickoff rules
PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 11:35 pm 
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The kickoff rules are going to make the pooch kick the defacto standard. Receiving team can only have three guys back AND the receiving team can't block the kicking team until the ball is caught or touches the ground. Teams are going to pooch kick to the most empty spot on the field that they think they can get to before the ball can be caught/recovered by the receiving team. And it's going to work. A lot.

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 Post subject: Re: New kickoff rules
PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2018 7:20 am 
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Over complicating a very simplistic formula. 'For Player Safety'..., Right! Typical. :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: New kickoff rules
PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2018 7:51 am 
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
The kickoff rules are going to make the pooch kick the defacto standard. Receiving team can only have three guys back AND the receiving team can't block the kicking team until the ball is caught or touches the ground. Teams are going to pooch kick to the most empty spot on the field that they think they can get to before the ball can be caught/recovered by the receiving team. And it's going to work. A lot.


They can block, just not within 15 yards of their restraining line.

Wouldn't it be more likely to mean that those front blockers would be running straight backwards at the kick, as they often do now anyways? Since the kicking team doesn't have a running start anymore, they should easily be able to get back the required 15 yards and be allowed to block.


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 Post subject: Re: New kickoff rules
PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2018 8:13 am 
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Steelergenie wrote:
Increased use of replay in light of betting and helmet contact rules will slow the game more.

NFL head of officiating Al Riveron confirmed to reporters today that linemen who come out of their stances with their heads down and initiate contact with the top of the helmet will be penalized.
According to Tom Pelissero of NFL Media, Riveron was asked today at the league meeting, What if a defensive lineman coming out of his stance initiates contact with his head? “Can’t do it. He’s got to get his head up,” Riveron answered.
So NFL linemen are going to have to make significant changes to the way they do their jobs: In the past, linemen frequently made contact with their helmets when coming out of their stances. Now, they can’t.
Eventually, the NFL might just get rid of the three-point stance altogether. This new rule could be a first


This is borderline hilarious

You're changing the way the game has been played. Pretty soon this will resemble rugby more than NFL football.
Not that rugby sucks or anything, it's just significantly different

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 Post subject: Re: New kickoff rules
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Just like holding, you could have a helmet penalty on almost every play and a review on top of it.


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 Post subject: Re: New kickoff rules
PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2018 8:49 am 
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These rules will cause a lot more actual returns, thus more injuries. Brilliant.

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 Post subject: Re: New kickoff rules
PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2018 9:39 am 
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Good bye onside kicks.


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 Post subject: Re: New kickoff rules
PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2018 10:07 am 
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Rocky Mtn Stiller wrote:
Good bye onside kicks.


That's what I thought at first, too.

But after thinking about it a little more....I dunno.

Yeah, you can't stack one side of the formation like you used to be able to...but the receiving team also can't block.

And since the kicking team isn't allowed to stack their formation...that means the receiving team isn't going to either either.

Now, a kick along the ground isn't likely to be all that effective since the kicking team doesn't get a head start anymore, but what about popping one straight up in the air, which teams have tried under the old format?

Since the receiving team isn't allow to block anymore, shouldn't kicking a pop up give the kicking team enough time to run the required distance and make that more of a 50/50 jump ball, as opposed to the old way when the receiving team would just have the first row of guys block, virtually eliminating any real chance of a recovery?

I may be missing something, but I feel like this actually gives the kicking team a better chance at recovery.


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 Post subject: Re: New kickoff rules
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Louis Lipps Service wrote:
Rocky Mtn Stiller wrote:
Good bye onside kicks.


That's what I thought at first, too.

But after thinking about it a little more....I dunno.

Yeah, you can't stack one side of the formation like you used to be able to...but the receiving team also can't block.

And since the kicking team isn't allowed to stack their formation...that means the receiving team isn't going to either either.

Now, a kick along the ground isn't likely to be all that effective since the kicking team doesn't get a head start anymore, but what about popping one straight up in the air, which teams have tried under the old format?

Since the receiving team isn't allow to block anymore, shouldn't kicking a pop up give the kicking team enough time to run the required distance and make that more of a 50/50 jump ball, as opposed to the old way when the receiving team would just have the first row of guys block, virtually eliminating any real chance of a recovery?

I may be missing something, but I feel like this actually gives the kicking team a better chance at recovery.


You can fair catch a kickoff just like a punt. so the pop up would have to be to open space.

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 Post subject: Re: New kickoff rules
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R S wrote:
Louis Lipps Service wrote:
Rocky Mtn Stiller wrote:
Good bye onside kicks.


That's what I thought at first, too.

But after thinking about it a little more....I dunno.

Yeah, you can't stack one side of the formation like you used to be able to...but the receiving team also can't block.

And since the kicking team isn't allowed to stack their formation...that means the receiving team isn't going to either either.

Now, a kick along the ground isn't likely to be all that effective since the kicking team doesn't get a head start anymore, but what about popping one straight up in the air, which teams have tried under the old format?

Since the receiving team isn't allow to block anymore, shouldn't kicking a pop up give the kicking team enough time to run the required distance and make that more of a 50/50 jump ball, as opposed to the old way when the receiving team would just have the first row of guys block, virtually eliminating any real chance of a recovery?

I may be missing something, but I feel like this actually gives the kicking team a better chance at recovery.


You can fair catch a kickoff just like a punt. so the pop up would have to be to open space.


Not if it touches the ground first. When teams try that pop up kick I described, they essentially kick it straight into the ground so it pops back up into the air.


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 Post subject: Re: New kickoff rules
PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2018 1:20 pm 
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if the ball hits the ground, receivers can block

It has to be a pooch just over the heads of the receivers, that is high enough that the kickers can get there. No receiver from that front 15 yard area is going to run backwards and make a fair catch with their back to the kicking team, or if they try that, no guarantee it's a sure thing.

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 Post subject: Re: New kickoff rules
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
if the ball hits the ground, receivers can block

It has to be a pooch just over the heads of the receivers, that is high enough that the kickers can get there. No receiver from that front 15 yard area is going to run backwards and make a fair catch with their back to the kicking team, or if they try that, no guarantee it's a sure thing.


Crap, forgot about that end of it.

So yeah, onsides kicks are pretty much done, then.

They really just to quit beating around the bush and end kickoffs all together instead of pissing around with these idiotic rules.


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 Post subject: Re: New kickoff rules
PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 12:44 pm 
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Steelergenie wrote:
NFL owners voted today to change the rules on kickoffs, with the following implemented for the 2018 season:

1. No running starts before the ball is kicked.
2. The kicking team must line up with five players on each side of the kicker.
3. At least two players on the kicking team must be outside the numbers.
4. At least two players on the kicking team must be between the numbers and the hashmarks.
5. At least eight players on the receiving team must be within 15 yards of their restraining line, which would typically mean between the kicking team’s 45-yard line and the receiving team’s 40-yard line.
6. Until the ball is touched or hits the ground, players on the receiving team can’t cross the restraining line (typically the 45), or initiate a block within 15 yards of the line where the ball is kicked.
7. No wedge blocks.
All of these rules are designed to limit the number of high-impact collisions on kickoffs, which the NFL says are the most dangerous players in football. Eventually the kickoff might be eliminated altogether. At least for this season, it is remaining in place bus changing significantly.


All this complexity sucks big time! As if 50% of kickoffs don't seem to have a flag as it is! There will be flags flying everywhere and all kinds of great plays will be brought back, you watch, between this and the review of hitting with the head, the refs will be on the screen like 50% of the game explaining what just didn't happen.


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 Post subject: Re: New kickoff rules
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Steelergenie wrote:
So NFL linemen are going to have to make significant changes to the way they do their jobs: In the past, linemen frequently made contact with their helmets when coming out of their stances. Now, they can’t.


FLAGS, FLAGS and MORE FLAGS!!!!! YAY! :lol: :x


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 Post subject: Re: New kickoff rules
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Nick79 wrote:
Steelergenie wrote:
So NFL linemen are going to have to make significant changes to the way they do their jobs: In the past, linemen frequently made contact with their helmets when coming out of their stances. Now, they can’t.


FLAGS, FLAGS and MORE FLAGS!!!!! YAY! :lol: :x


But now we can legally bet on the over/under of the number of flags!


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 Post subject: Re: New kickoff rules
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All of these rules seem to result in more flags...the exact opposite of what the game needs.


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 Post subject: Re: New kickoff rules
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swissvale72 wrote:
All of these rules seem to result in more flags...the exact opposite of what the game needs.

And worse yet, more replays. Eventually they may feel the need to review every play, just to get it right.


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 Post subject: Re: New kickoff rules
PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2018 4:51 pm 
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The league’s basic explanation of the rule is, “It is a foul if a player lowers his head to initiate and make contact with his helmet against an opponent.”
Most significantly, the league says players will be ejected if a hit meets the following standards: The player lowers his helmet to establish a linear body posture prior to initiating and making contact with the helmet, the player delivering the blow had an unobstructed path to his opponent and the contact was clearly avoidable because the player delivering the blow had other options.
There’s still some room for interpretation here — two different officials might look at the same hit and have different ideas about whether “the player delivering the blow had other options” — but there’s at least some more clarity now than there was previously


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 Post subject: Re: New kickoff rules
PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2018 8:46 pm 
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The new @NFL Use of Helmet rule explained with video examples. Watch: https://twitter.com/NFLFootballOps/stat ... -update%2F
I have to watch this a couple more times myself differentiating the foul hits from the legal hits. Good Luck players and fans. After further review. Just take the helmets off. No more helmets is the only way the 'foul hits/ejection hits will be eliminated. JMHO

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