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 Post subject: Re: Who gets cut: Laundry or Dobbs?
PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 8:00 pm 
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In other news, did anybody hear/see/read about Landry Jones talking about how he thinks he could pull off a Nick Foles, and lead the team to the Super Bowl if Ben went down?? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Ben hasn’t been enough of a difference maker and at times has been a detriment to getting back to a SB for almost a decade.

Jones would be lucky to lead us to a playoff spot.


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 Post subject: Re: Who gets cut: Laundry or Dobbs?
PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 8:31 pm 
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Not sure if it’s been said but my take is Dobbs is all but done Jones is #2 but his days at #2 are numbered before he’s replaced by Rudolph.


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 Post subject: Re: Who gets cut: Laundry or Dobbs?
PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 10:11 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Who gets cut: Laundry or Dobbs?
PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2018 9:01 am 
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I don't think Ben's injury history is exaggerated. Yes, it is true he hasn't missed as many games as many perceive. The problem is that he has played through a ton of pain. His injury history is varied and deep. Ankles, knees, ribs, shoulders, concussions...you name it. Guys like Rodgers have had impactful injuries but certainly not as varied as Ben.

We can see this with our own eyes. I love Ben but he often struggles to just walk out on the field. Yes, I know you will say he "fakes" it. But, there is no doubt his speed is nothing to where it was. He's well over a 5.0 40 now. Rodgers would destroy him in a race. Heck. I sometimes think Ben is approaching Brady mobility levels at this point.

My point? The tread on Ben's tires is much much thinner than most think. I love him. Hope he plays 3 more years at a HOF level, but rationally I think he'll be limited. That's why I loved the Rudolph pick.


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 Post subject: Re: Who gets cut: Laundry or Dobbs?
PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2018 2:13 pm 
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Normally, I would agree that Ben is slowing down, but last year he was way more nimble and quicker. Why do I say that? He started to run with the football again, and he was successful at it. No, nobody will confuse him with Russell Wilson but that 28 carries and 47 yards rushing was the most he has had since the 99 yards he had in 2013. Those 6 rushing first downs that he had were the most he has had since 2010. Ben was more willing to run for a first down, to tuck the ball and pick up that first down if it was there for the taking. Which makes it all the more crazy that at other times they would not let him run some QB sneaks to pick up a first down.

I also think that Ben's pain tolerance is so much better than the other top QBs in the league. Better than Rodgers, Romo, etc. We have seen Ben have his nose broken and not be phased by it. I remember a game where Romo would not play because he had some dislocated finger or some such, Ben would have laughed and still played the game. One of the criticisms I have of Rodgers is that I think if you rough him up that you can throw him off his game. Ben seems to actually play better if is he is hit more as opposed to playing in a clean pocket.

Personally, I am more worried that Ben is starting to enter that Brett Farve phase where the gambling/street ball ways begin to fall short and the INTs/fumbles become more and more problematic. You look at the Jax game, forget about the gaudy stats, look at those early turnovers, an INT at our 18 yard line? A fumble by Ben that is returned for a 50 yard TD? Physically, maybe Ben can play 5 more years, but if you are making mental mistakes and turning the ball over are you really a franchise QB? Before that Jax playoff game, Ben and the offense had averaged just 19 points a game over their last 6 playoff games. That 42 point effort in a loss to Jax puts them at an average of 22.5 for their last 7. Sorry but that still sucks.

More than anything else, I am hoping that Randy Fitchner can get Ben to play smarter, more within himself and just distribute the football to his playmakers. You don't need to go off script, make something happen, improvise as much, just distribute the football. Get it to the open man, don't force it to Brown or Bell, be smart, allow your playmakers to make your job easier Ben.

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 Post subject: Re: Who gets cut: Laundry or Dobbs?
PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2018 2:23 pm 
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No avatar bets over who gets cut or if Jones is usurped at #2?

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 Post subject: Re: Who gets cut: Laundry or Dobbs?
PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2018 5:45 pm 
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Great post as always Scunge. Ben has been slow to process his reads since the motorcycle accident which has resulted in many sacks from holding the ball too long.

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Normally, I would agree that Ben is slowing down, but last year he was way more nimble and quicker. Why do I say that? He started to run with the football again, and he was successful at it. No, nobody will confuse him with Russell Wilson but that 28 carries and 47 yards rushing was the most he has had since the 99 yards he had in 2013. Those 6 rushing first downs that he had were the most he has had since 2010. Ben was more willing to run for a first down, to tuck the ball and pick up that first down if it was there for the taking. Which makes it all the more crazy that at other times they would not let him run some QB sneaks to pick up a first down.

I also think that Ben's pain tolerance is so much better than the other top QBs in the league. Better than Rodgers, Romo, etc. We have seen Ben have his nose broken and not be phased by it. I remember a game where Romo would not play because he had some dislocated finger or some such, Ben would have laughed and still played the game. One of the criticisms I have of Rodgers is that I think if you rough him up that you can throw him off his game. Ben seems to actually play better if is he is hit more as opposed to playing in a clean pocket.

Personally, I am more worried that Ben is starting to enter that Brett Farve phase where the gambling/street ball ways begin to fall short and the INTs/fumbles become more and more problematic. You look at the Jax game, forget about the gaudy stats, look at those early turnovers, an INT at our 18 yard line? A fumble by Ben that is returned for a 50 yard TD? Physically, maybe Ben can play 5 more years, but if you are making mental mistakes and turning the ball over are you really a franchise QB? Before that Jax playoff game, Ben and the offense had averaged just 19 points a game over their last 6 playoff games. That 42 point effort in a loss to Jax puts them at an average of 22.5 for their last 7. Sorry but that still sucks.

More than anything else, I am hoping that Randy Fitchner can get Ben to play smarter, more within himself and just distribute the football to his playmakers. You don't need to go off script, make something happen, improvise as much, just distribute the football. Get it to the open man, don't force it to Brown or Bell, be smart, allow your playmakers to make your job easier Ben.


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 Post subject: Re: Who gets cut: Laundry or Dobbs?
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Great post as always Scunge. Ben has been slow to process his reads since the motorcycle accident which has resulted in many sacks from holding the ball too long.

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Normally, I would agree that Ben is slowing down, but last year he was way more nimble and quicker. Why do I say that? He started to run with the football again, and he was successful at it. No, nobody will confuse him with Russell Wilson but that 28 carries and 47 yards rushing was the most he has had since the 99 yards he had in 2013. Those 6 rushing first downs that he had were the most he has had since 2010. Ben was more willing to run for a first down, to tuck the ball and pick up that first down if it was there for the taking. Which makes it all the more crazy that at other times they would not let him run some QB sneaks to pick up a first down.

I also think that Ben's pain tolerance is so much better than the other top QBs in the league. Better than Rodgers, Romo, etc. We have seen Ben have his nose broken and not be phased by it. I remember a game where Romo would not play because he had some dislocated finger or some such, Ben would have laughed and still played the game. One of the criticisms I have of Rodgers is that I think if you rough him up that you can throw him off his game. Ben seems to actually play better if is he is hit more as opposed to playing in a clean pocket.

Personally, I am more worried that Ben is starting to enter that Brett Farve phase where the gambling/street ball ways begin to fall short and the INTs/fumbles become more and more problematic. You look at the Jax game, forget about the gaudy stats, look at those early turnovers, an INT at our 18 yard line? A fumble by Ben that is returned for a 50 yard TD? Physically, maybe Ben can play 5 more years, but if you are making mental mistakes and turning the ball over are you really a franchise QB? Before that Jax playoff game, Ben and the offense had averaged just 19 points a game over their last 6 playoff games. That 42 point effort in a loss to Jax puts them at an average of 22.5 for their last 7. Sorry but that still sucks.

More than anything else, I am hoping that Randy Fitchner can get Ben to play smarter, more within himself and just distribute the football to his playmakers. You don't need to go off script, make something happen, improvise as much, just distribute the football. Get it to the open man, don't force it to Brown or Bell, be smart, allow your playmakers to make your job easier Ben.


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 Post subject: Re: Who gets cut: Laundry or Dobbs?
PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2018 9:08 am 
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Scunge,

I do agree he ran a little more, but I don't see that as a trend. I love Ben, but we are talking about a guy who could be injured easily at any time. Remember the Miami game a couple years ago where he was hurt just running? His pain tolerance is the best in the NFL no doubt, but Father Time is undefeated.

I think your point about older QBs becoming more turnover prone is a good one. I recall many turning the ball over more late in their careers. Jim Kelly, Warren Moon...even Marino come to mind. I wonder if it is mental processing or reaction time or both that break down.

I am still not seeing that in Ben. I think about his last 4 post season games. Against Miami he was great but Tomlin shut it down early. Against KC, a great D, we focused just on the run and play calling was horrendous. Against NE in 2017 he was great, but his receivers were a dumpster fire. Against the Jags, Miles Jack made a great play and he held the ball a split second too long on another (combined with a very lucky bounce)....otherwise he was Hall of Fame level that game against the best D in the NFL.

I think if play calling improves, those mistakes are minimized.


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 Post subject: Re: Who gets cut: Laundry or Dobbs?
PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2018 9:38 am 
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I think if play calling improves, those mistakes are minimized.


And the defense.


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