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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2018 5:56 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: New National Anthem Policy
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Ahem.

In 18 pages of discussion, I've posted exactly three comments. Including this one.

And as gentle reminder for you triggered snowflakes, politics is different that economic systems/ social mechanisms. Even liberals like grabbing as much as the pie as they can, in case you forgot.

But keep making up whatever reality makes you guys feel good.

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Feeling good I haven’t commented in this shit show of a thread

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 Post subject: Re: New National Anthem Policy
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Feeling good I haven’t commented in this shit show of a thread

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Glad you've joined in here, #29....this OP could use an injection of bed-wetting. :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: New National Anthem Policy
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BarryFoster wrote:
Feeling good I haven’t commented in this shit show of a thread

Until now


Glad you've joined in here, #29....this OP could use an injection of bed-wetting. :lol:


Only if it's triggered bedwetting, Swiss.


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 Post subject: Re: New National Anthem Policy
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an interesting aspect of the policy.

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As controversial as it is, the new anthem rules are unlikely to affect where players sign.

Money talks, bulls--t walks.

If a player has, say, a $20 million offer from the Titans and a $15 million one from the Giants, the difference is so significant that the player likely is going to Tennessee.

What happens, though, if the offer is close, as former NFL player Geoff Schwartz asked on Twitter?

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So with individual teams making their own anthem policies and I’ll assume fine schedule, w/some being the Jets (kneel away) and some being the Cowboys (don’t kneel ever) ... if in the long run this will effect free agency decisions by top players.


The anthem policy will (supposedly) be implemented team-to-team. If one team has a draconian anthem policy and another team does not, does that become a factor for a free agent to weigh if the offers are relatively equal?

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 Post subject: Re: New National Anthem Policy
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They should just do away with the Anthem all together before sporting events. And the players shouldn't be out on the field either.

Ok bye.

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 Post subject: Re: New National Anthem Policy
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Not to ignite more politics, but the idea that my tax dollars are going to the military so they can then pay the NFL to make the players come out on the sideline for the anthem...really? Could we maybe find a better use of that money?

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Not to ignite more politics, but the idea that my tax dollars are going to the military so they can then pay the NFL to make the players come out on the sideline for the anthem...really? Could we maybe find a better use of that money?


If only NE had won the SB, Trump could have had his little get-together.

Speaking of which, Kraft gives a SB ring to Putin....Kraft is a big Trump supporter....just sayin' :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: New National Anthem Policy
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Okay, I want to say that I hate Trump as much as anyone, but that not be true. I do think he's a major fuckin' asshole, a habitual liar, a fuckin' thief, a bully and a traitor. That said, on this issue...

*I don't blame the guy for disinviting the Eagles when perhaps less than 10 players were going to show up. Was that done for optics? You bet. We would've laughing our fuckin' asses off had the dude obsessed with crowd size hosted a party and no one showed up.
*All of the liberals on CNN, and I'm getting real sick of April Ryan, continuing to maintain that the kneeling during the anthem had nothing to do with the flag and the anthem, but was merely a peaceful protest, consistent with one's first amendment rights.
-They miss the FACT that millions of Americans were offended by this, certainly perceived it as an affront to the flag, the anthem, and the armed services that defend the United States of America.
*Shut the fuck up already, and quit trying to make heroes of lawbreakers that break into houses, rob stores, ignore the lawful commands of law enforcement and then are martyred when they get their asses shot and killed in the midst of their crime sprees.
*I watch the ABC Evening News most nights, but am incensed every time they show a School Resource Officer restraining a disruptive student that won't follow directions to exit a classroom, or show a law enforcement officer kicking a criminal's ass, not knowing if said criminal is armed and a threat to the officer's life. I doubly hate these talking heads telling me that the video they're about to show is "disturbing." Let the viewer decide if it's disturbing for Chrissakes. I seriously hold these networks somewhat accountable for the assassination of police officers.

Again, I hate Trump, but I'm with him on this stuff.


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 Post subject: Re: New National Anthem Policy
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Kodiak wrote:
Poltargyst wrote:
Not to ignite more politics, but the idea that my tax dollars are going to the military so they can then pay the NFL to make the players come out on the sideline for the anthem...really? Could we maybe find a better use of that money?


If only NE had won the SB, Trump could have had his little get-together.

Speaking of which, Kraft gives a SB ring to Putin....Kraft is a big Trump supporter....just sayin' :lol:

I thought Putin STOLE Kraft's ring...which made me laugh at the time. :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: New National Anthem Policy
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They should just do away with the Anthem all together before sporting events. And the players shouldn't be out on the field either.

Ok bye.


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 Post subject: Re: New National Anthem Policy
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Poltargyst wrote:
Kodiak wrote:
Poltargyst wrote:
Not to ignite more politics, but the idea that my tax dollars are going to the military so they can then pay the NFL to make the players come out on the sideline for the anthem...really? Could we maybe find a better use of that money?


If only NE had won the SB, Trump could have had his little get-together.

Speaking of which, Kraft gives a SB ring to Putin....Kraft is a big Trump supporter....just sayin' :lol:

I thought Putin STOLE Kraft's ring...which made me laugh at the time. :lol:
It was his ring, earning it by furnishing the pats with surveillance and espionage equipment!

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 Post subject: Re: New National Anthem Policy
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Most minorities, poor people, and members of the LGBT community would completely disagree with your assessment about being “better off” now. Am I better off? I’m a straight, white man. I’m doing just fine. The difference between me and you (well one of many) is that I give a shit about the marginalized members of our society who are facing a truly terrifying time where literal nazis are marching in the streets with torches. And their actions are condoned by our president.[/quote]

There is more conjecture and nonsense in this post than many I’ve seen around here in a long time. Thought you were better than this.

The policies that have been put in place help the economy and county as a whole.

Tell how exactly LGBT is so worse off now than before? Is it simply because a politician isn’t using them and pandering to them for votes?

I know warm & fuzzy stuff makes people feel good and all but realize ty is that it doesn’t really do much for society as a whole.

The real difference you see isn’t outward bias and actual actions taken against hear people but rather a lack of headline grabbing pandering that has taken place over the last 8 years.

Here is a great example. This very thread deals with POTUS using his power to “force” players to stand for the anthem. Oh noes. And some are able to find so much outrage at Trump over that.

Did you have the same outrage when Obama told some states he’d pull fed funding if they didn’t allow grown men to fall pee pee in the little girls room?

Why is one so much better or worse than the other?

So it’s not Trump is ani-LGNT, it’s just that he isn’t going out of his way to pander to them.

Identify politics accomplished why?

And how many minorities work at lower income jobs that have gotten raises, more paid time off, and bonuses as a result of the tax cuts?

If you don’t know it’s a lot.

I’m sorry he’s not out telling the people of Mexico to flee here as fast as they can so that the US taxpayer can give them free shit.

Reality is that those groups you cited aren’t worse off. They just think they are because that’s what the media says. Nobody can actually cite how they are worse off.

How is it race relations are so shitty in this country after 8 years of an AA POTUS? Why didn’t he fix this?

Could it because instead of telling people the truth he spent 8 years playing sides against one another?

You are poor cuz they are rich.

You don’t have a job cuz they won’t give you one.

You dont have what they have cuz the color of your skin.

On and on.

Reality is most people are where they are because of one thing.

Themselves.

Identity politics is a powerful thing. Try to remove yourself from it.

A very large majority are doing better to much better than they were prior to this “horror” that is the Trump Presidency.

I just challenge people to show me how they arent?

And most can’t.

Without bringing conjecture and hyperbole made up nonsense into it.

Ya, Trump supports Nazis march in the street. Ummmm ok.[/quote]


I think I remember Cheatolini saying "there were good people on both sides" If I remember correctly that indicates that he was in fact supporting NAZI"S, which is unconscionable to most decemt human beings. Do you have a little Kelly Ann Conjob in you 95?


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 Post subject: Re: New National Anthem Policy
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Bro, I told you, I have no desire to argue with you. I have my opinions, you have yours, they aren't gonna change. I'm glad you picked up on the alternative I gave to being borderline intelligent. I never thought that of you.

I'm not going to get into a pissing contest with you about income, degrees, etc. I will say that I stand to benefit greatly from any tax cuts and whatever boon Wall Street is getting under Trump. I still think he's a god awful president, because my pocketbook isn't the only thing that matters to me.

How dare you accuse me of liking Katy Perry and/or Amy Schumer. I do like late night tv though. Is it hard that there's nothing for you to watch that won't trigger you?


Its encouraging for me to read that there are Americans with views that are consistent with the majority of the rest of the developed world. The country with the biggest economy in the world, crying like whiny bitches that it still is not enough is so sad. Too many Americans are so singularly focused on money and wealth for themselves wanting more and more and more, and not giving a shit about anyone else (in their country or any other).

Just got back from France and Italy. The Americans there (many) fall all over themselves trying to apologize for the train wreck that is their political environment, and the Europeans are perplexed that something like that is even possible in 2018 in a developed, country.

USA biggest economy in the world, 17 on happiest country scale :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: New National Anthem Policy
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Bro, I told you, I have no desire to argue with you. I have my opinions, you have yours, they aren't gonna change. I'm glad you picked up on the alternative I gave to being borderline intelligent. I never thought that of you.

I'm not going to get into a pissing contest with you about income, degrees, etc. I will say that I stand to benefit greatly from any tax cuts and whatever boon Wall Street is getting under Trump. I still think he's a god awful president, because my pocketbook isn't the only thing that matters to me.

How dare you accuse me of liking Katy Perry and/or Amy Schumer. I do like late night tv though. Is it hard that there's nothing for you to watch that won't trigger you?


Its encouraging for me to read that there are Americans with views that are consistent with the majority of the rest of the developed world. The country with the biggest economy in the world, crying like whiny bitches that it still is not enough is so sad. Too many Americans are so singularly focused on money and wealth for themselves wanting more and more and more, and not giving a shit about anyone else (in their country or any other).

Just got back from France and Italy. The Americans there (many) fall all over themselves trying to apologize for the train wreck that is their political environment, and the Europeans are perplexed that something like that is even possible in 2018 in a developed, country.

USA biggest economy in the world, 17 on happiest country scale :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Weird though that so many want to come here if we're such a terrible place

Like anywhere- we have our good and our bad and there are tradeoffs abound. Some things you can control and some things you cannot (like who the Prez is)


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Just got back from France and Italy. The Americans there (many) fall all over themselves trying to apologize for the train wreck that is their political environment, and the Europeans are perplexed that something like that is even possible in 2018 in a developed, country.

The way some Americans view Europe and this enlightened, progressive Wonderland is kind of hilarious.

Did they forget that Italy's last Prime Minister was a mafia don who hosted bunga-bunga parties with porn stars? That's without even getting into the extreme corruption that exists throughout Italian politics.
Did they forget that France just had a far-right nationalist come in #2 in their last election? How about the rampant discrimination Muslims face in France

Maybe you could explain to them that the problem of players giving fascist salutes to fans in Italy or fans making monkey chants at black players in the UK and France are completely unheard of in the US.

And it's not just those two countries: Think the US has an illigal immigrant problem? Try Greece. Think the US isn't accepting of immigrants? Try Sweden.

No one will deny that the US has problems, but alot of those same issues are just as prevalent (if not more so) in many parts of Europe.

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Pabst wrote:
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Just got back from France and Italy. The Americans there (many) fall all over themselves trying to apologize for the train wreck that is their political environment, and the Europeans are perplexed that something like that is even possible in 2018 in a developed, country.

The way some Americans view Europe and this enlightened, progressive Wonderland is kind of hilarious.

Did they forget that Italy's last Prime Minister was a mafia don who hosted bunga-bunga parties with porn stars? That's without even getting into the extreme corruption that exists throughout Italian politics.
Did they forget that France just had a far-right nationalist come in #2 in their last election? How about the rampant discrimination Muslims face in France

Maybe you could explain to them that the problem of players giving fascist salutes to fans in Italy or fans making monkey chants at black players in the UK and France are completely unheard of in the US.

And it's not just those two countries: Think the US has an illigal immigrant problem? Try Greece. Think the US isn't accepting of immigrants? Try Sweden.

No one will deny that the US has problems, but alot of those same issues are just as prevalent (if not more so) in many parts of Europe.


I'll do ya one better. France had a far right nationalist come in number two, the USA the beacon of freedom and democracy has a far right nationalist RUNNING THE COUNTRY :o :?

You really want to pick on countries about racism?? The USA?? Lets ask black american athletes in all pro sports about their thoughts on racism in the USA. Maybe the champs can ask the pres when they go to the WHITE house....oooops


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You really want to pick on countries about racism?? The USA?? Lets ask black american athletes in all pro sports about their thoughts on racism in the USA. Maybe the champs can ask the pres when they go to the WHITE house....oooops

You want to show me the US equivalent of fans throwing a banana at a black player (Spain):


How about fans chanting racial slurs at players during games (Italy):


Here's Portugal:



How about Nazi salutes from players (also Italy):



I'm not picking on anyone about racism - you specifically said that Americans are apologizing to Europeans, when this same kind of crap exists on the same scale over there. Either you're not aware how prevalent racism is in Europe, or you're just being disingenuous.

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I think I remember Cheatolini saying "there were good people on both sides" If I remember correctly that indicates that he was in fact supporting NAZI"S, which is unconscionable to most decemt human beings. Do you have a little Kelly Ann Conjob in you 95?


How does it “indicate he supports Nazis”?

What was said was in reference to the peaceful protestors on both sides. Which there was in fact good people on both sides.

He denounced the violence, on both sides.

Its the liberal media that twisted the remark to appear as though he was referring to the “good people” within the violent Neo Nazis.

But then, I’m replying to somebody who likely believes a group such as ANTIFA is doing noble work and chalked full of “good people”.

When you cant identify the nuance of how language is used I can see how you easily get led down the path you do.

He denounced violent neo-Nazis. A person can however not agree with tearing down monuments and still be a “good person” and also not be a “Nazi”.

Those on the left aren’t able to make that distinction.

I also said earlier in this thread I wasn’t going to engage in political debate any longer. Since you quoted me I responded.


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The country with the biggest economy in the world, crying like whiny bitches that it still is not enough is so sad. Too many Americans are so singularly focused on money and wealth for themselves wanting more and more and more, and not giving a shit about anyone else (in their country or any other).


Please do tell when it became the American tax payers job to pay for the rest of the world?

This country was built on equal opportunity, not equal outcomes.

There is a difference. For good reason.


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Thankfully this thread has posters such as Pabst making reasonable and sound arguments.


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The country with the biggest economy in the world, crying like whiny bitches that it still is not enough is so sad. Too many Americans are so singularly focused on money and wealth for themselves wanting more and more and more, and not giving a shit about anyone else (in their country or any other).


Please do tell when it became the American tax payers job to pay for the rest of the world?

This country was built on equal opportunity, not equal outcomes.

There is a difference. For good reason.


And regardless of whether it is our job or not we still do it... and usually very willingly. Look at any humanitarian effort anywhere in the world and U.S. assistance either government direct and/or private donations usually leads the way by a large margin.

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We can be just like Europe....all it takes is accepting higher taxes, higher unemployment, lower wages and lower growth. UTOPIA!!!

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