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 Post subject: Re: Supreme Court strikes down ban on sports betting
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 1:33 am 
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I don't see how the major sports leagues are going to be involved with the profitability of sports gambling without causing major problems. If the Pittsburgh Steelers are favored by 14 are up 27 then give up two late TDs, the point shaving accusations will go through the roof. Even if it was just dumb luck or Tomlin being Tomlin.

The money has to be kept by a credible neutral third party bound by a number of clear disclosures to avoid influence or the appearance of conflict of interest.

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 Post subject: Re: Supreme Court strikes down ban on sports betting
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 8:01 am 
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Steelergenie wrote:
Cuban says the value of sports teams just doubled with betting.


Means nothing. Mark Cuban says a lot of dumb things. He's a used car salesman master of spin and overrated as an owner.

He'd probably be fun to hang out and have a beer with though.


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 Post subject: Re: Supreme Court strikes down ban on sports betting
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 8:02 am 
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Steelergenie wrote:
The more states that get into it dilutes the tax take. It may not be that big of a windfall for each state.


Lets hope it is not a race to the bottom like it normally is. Some state will make almost zero regulations so all the sports books will go there.


If the ban is overturned, then you're going to determine if there is a single, NFL-wide system for betting ... or if each franchise goes its own way. Again, this will be highly contentious for revenue sharing (we can both guess with some degree of likelihood that Jerry Jones isn't going to want to share). Then there are the players and how the monies from gambling will be distributed ... but, remember the players are banned from gambling themselves, so it becomes a bit of a weird situation where their salaries are paid with monies they cannot actually create.

And, as I said earlier, this completely ignores the likelihood that the NFL will screw up the data security piece of this. See Panera Bread for ways large corporations don't understand simple security concepts.

Is it a doomsday scenario? No. But we would be kidding ourselves if we think it will be as simple as "oh, look, here's an app to make a prop bet in the stadium!"

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 Post subject: Re: Supreme Court strikes down ban on sports betting
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 8:50 am 
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There's a reason for escrow companies when you buy a house. If you give the deposit to the broker he has a conflict of interest and can become reckless with diligence.

I don't think the teams or the league can be trusted with the money. Put it this way, I know they can't after Spygate. And even if they can there will statistically be enough weird situations that they will be deluged with point shaving allegations.

This is a situation that needs to be thought through but won't.

If the leagues are not careful, this could be Black Sox to the twentieth power.

And fuck Mark Cuban, BTW.

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 Post subject: Re: Supreme Court strikes down ban on sports betting
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 9:03 am 
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How long until Jerr puts a casino in AT&T stadium? How much of that revenue will he share? My bet is zero. The NFLPA is going to freak out in 2020 with all of this "revenue" that they have no access to. This will be more of a Pandoria's box

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 Post subject: Re: Supreme Court strikes down ban on sports betting
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 3:28 pm 
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jebrick wrote:
How long until Jerr puts a casino in AT&T stadium? How much of that revenue will he share? My bet is zero. The NFLPA is going to freak out in 2020 with all of this "revenue" that they have no access to. This will be more of a Pandoria's box

Honest question - I know that the NFL is able to charge sports bars an arm & a leg for Sunday Ticket (See here). Would the NFL (or any league) be able to jack up the rates for games at casinos that allow sports betting?

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 Post subject: Re: Supreme Court strikes down ban on sports betting
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 5:02 pm 
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I don't know if that matters because most gamblers will punch their ticket and watch it at home. You won't need to physically walk into a casino.

the only increased revenue to the league will be in the TV numbers, but I wonder how much of this alleged new audience is already betting on games anyway.

It's not bad for the league, but it's not doubling the value of franchises. And if they play it wrong they could destroy themselves.

Also wonder if the Costa Rica casinos will be back in business.

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 Post subject: Re: Supreme Court strikes down ban on sports betting
PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 5:20 am 
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New Jersey is starting sports betting on May 28 at Monmouth Park Racetrack. Four other states will be out of the gate quickly. The flood is starting. NFL will be forced to go to full time refs and use more replay. Bettors will go ballistic over a bad call that could change a game. What about the new helmet rule. That will open up a can of worms. More time will be spent on replay slowing down the game further.


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 Post subject: Re: Supreme Court strikes down ban on sports betting
PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 2:08 pm 
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I agree.

People want to watch competition, not endless verbal conflicts. Might as well turn on Judge Judy.

They have to be VERY careful how they handle this.

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 Post subject: Re: Supreme Court strikes down ban on sports betting
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Pa is charging a 10M upfront fee and 34% of betting revenue. Other states charge 10% and under. Pa isn't going to get sports betting anytime soon.


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 Post subject: Re: Supreme Court strikes down ban on sports betting
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Pa is charging a 10M upfront fee and 34% of betting revenue. Other states charge 10% and under. Pa isn't going to get sports betting anytime soon.


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 Post subject: Re: Supreme Court strikes down ban on sports betting
PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2018 7:53 pm 
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Really, who cares. Gambling is a fool's errand IMHO.


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 Post subject: Re: Supreme Court strikes down ban on sports betting
PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2018 9:34 pm 
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"Pa is charging a 10M upfront fee and 34% of betting revenue. Other states charge 10% and under. Pa isn't going to get sports betting anytime soon."

Looks like the sage wisdom that brought us State Stores is in effect for gambling.

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 Post subject: Re: Supreme Court strikes down ban on sports betting
PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2018 10:43 pm 
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When Pa sees the train pull out of the station and they are not on it. they could change their tune in a hurry. Greedy pols looking for more pork gravy.


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 Post subject: Re: Supreme Court strikes down ban on sports betting
PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2018 11:50 pm 
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i hope to get sports betting here in NY and its everyone choice to play or not


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 Post subject: Re: Supreme Court strikes down ban on sports betting
PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2018 1:43 am 
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NY lawmakers are working on a bill with 8.5% take and an integrity fee for the teams. Betting would be through the casinos.


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 Post subject: Re: Supreme Court strikes down ban on sports betting
PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2018 8:09 am 
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Thus begins the race to the bottom. The next state will be 7.5 then lower and lower. All the gambling will flock to the state with the lowest take.

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 Post subject: Re: Supreme Court strikes down ban on sports betting
PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2018 10:16 am 
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Anything that raises revenue without raising taxes will be jumped on. It's found money. The pressure will be on the NFL to go to 18 games to have more betting take. The players will get on board for higher salaries. CTE who?


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 Post subject: Re: Supreme Court strikes down ban on sports betting
PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2018 6:26 pm 
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the big question is will NY allow on line SB through those casinos.


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 Post subject: Re: Supreme Court strikes down ban on sports betting
PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2018 8:11 pm 
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The NY bill allows for mobile betting but you have to go to a casino first and set up an account. Then your good to go.


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 Post subject: Re: Supreme Court strikes down ban on sports betting
PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2018 11:15 pm 
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Thanks Genie. I for sure will be visiting them


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 Post subject: Re: Supreme Court strikes down ban on sports betting
PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2018 6:14 am 
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Small bets on the Steelers make the games interesting but you don't want to get addicted and ruin your life.


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 Post subject: Re: Supreme Court strikes down ban on sports betting
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Small bets on the Steelers make the games interesting but you don't want to get addicted and ruin your life.


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 Post subject: Re: Supreme Court strikes down ban on sports betting
PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2018 10:35 am 
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It's very similar to pot...legalizing is the right thing to do in a free country, but there will be some adverse consequences.

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 Post subject: Re: Supreme Court strikes down ban on sports betting
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Steelergenie wrote:
Small bets on the Steelers make the games interesting but you don't want to get addicted and ruin your life.


Actually, Steelers games are the only ones that don't need action to be interesting.


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