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 Post subject: Re: What a Reach in the Draft Looks Like - Labriola
PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2018 2:31 pm 
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I think the Steelers had Rudolph rated over both Edmunds and Washington. We know they had him rated over Washington since Colbert admitted they had a first round grade on Rudolph. We don't know if the Steelers had a first round grade on Edmunds. My guess is they had him as last of the tier of safeties they would consider in the first, all the ILBs they were considering were gone, and they were dead set on taking either a S or ILB early since trading down apparently isn't an option for this organization, which is f'n stupid considering the draft is a crapshoot, they build this team mainly through the draft far more than most other teams, and collecting more draft picks to give yourself more chances to hit should be a huge priority. But whatever.

As for who would be better players, I think the next three guys taken directly after him (Bryan, Hughes, and Michel) will definitely be better NFL players. I would have taken those three, Landry, Jackson, Goedert, Connor Williams, Anthony Miller, JB III, Oliver, and Guice over him as I think they will all be betters players as well. Several players in the third I liked more than him as well. Edmunds is half the player his brother is.

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 Post subject: Re: What a Reach in the Draft Looks Like - Labriola
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TB wrote:
Isince trading down apparently isn't an option for this organization, which is f'n stupid


...or there were no trading partners they could agree on terms with...

Takes two to tango.


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 Post subject: Re: What a Reach in the Draft Looks Like - Labriola
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TB wrote:
Isince trading down apparently isn't an option for this organization, which is f'n stupid


...or there were no trading partners they could agree on terms with...

Takes two to tango.


Yeah, but it only takes one to do the stanky leg. 8-)

Kevin Colbert has never traded out of the first round. I don't believe we've even traded down in the first since 2001 when we traded down a couple of spots to draft Casey Hampton. It's just not their philosophy. Some teams like New England and Baltimore use their draft capital to acquire more resources and more picks, the Steelers don't.

The Patriots have consistently fleeced teams with their trade downs, and only rarely (like missing out on Greg Jennings in 2006) has it bit them. Here's a good article that shows their success in being aggressive in looking for deals on draft day: https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2017/4/15/15164566/nfl-draft-trades-patriots-won-bill-belichick

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 Post subject: Re: What a Reach in the Draft Looks Like - Labriola
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I wanted Michel after Evans went to the Titans. If they convert one of the safeties to ILB I’m hoping it’s Allen, he couldn’t cover college players very well, the pro players will eat him up.


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 Post subject: Re: What a Reach in the Draft Looks Like - Labriola
PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 11:44 am 
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Imagine drafting MICHAEL TURNER with that pick instead of RICARDO COCLOUGH -- wow


Did you read the article? Coclough was not a reach. He was highly touted and graded as a late 1st Rd or early 2nd rd. They drafted Nathanial Adibi in the 5th round because Cowher demanded a LB while Turner was sitting at the top of the board.

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 Post subject: Re: What a Reach in the Draft Looks Like - Labriola
PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 3:27 pm 
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P.S.: Colbert never said they had Rudolph rated as a 1st rounder. What he said was that the Steelers had Rudolph rated "right there" with the top QBs in this draft. He also said something about the difference between these drafted prospects being "hundredths of a point" at times, despite different rounds. Whatever that means is up to interpretation.

I took that to mean they had him near the top of the QB positional board, but not necessarily as a 1st rounder. I do agree that their actions seemed to show they had Washington and Rudolph rated about the same on their board. That's what you do when that happens-- you draft one and you try to trade up to get the other. I just did the same thing in the board draft, selecting Anthony Miller and then desperately trying to trade up ASAP to get Nwosu.

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 Post subject: Re: What a Reach in the Draft Looks Like - Labriola
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P.S.: Colbert never said they had Rudolph rated as a 1st rounder. What he said was that the Steelers had Rudolph rated "right there" with the top QBs in this draft. He also said something about the difference between these drafted prospects being "hundreds of a point" at times, despite different rounds. Whatever that means is up to interpretation.

I took that to mean they had him near the top of the QB positional board, but not necessarily as a 1st rounder. I do agree that their actions seemed to show they had Washington and Rudolph rated about the same on their board. That's what you do when that happens-- you draft one and you try to trade up to get the other. I just did the same thing in the board draft, selecting Anthony Miller and then desperately trying to trade up ASAP to get Nwosu.

If they had both Rudolph and Washington rated about the same, the main question they probably asked themselves was how many teams need a top WR or a future QB between picks 60 and 79? I'm sure they realized Washington wouldn't last and there was a halfway good chance Rudolph might. Cincy being the main obstacle and they had a plan for that, as they showed.


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 Post subject: Re: What a Reach in the Draft Looks Like - Labriola
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interesting article looking back at 2015 draft
remarkable how bad the bills and browns did
and you can see how poor and good drafts impacted teams heavily.
steelers had a poor one

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/regr ... to-d-or-f/


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 Post subject: Re: What a Reach in the Draft Looks Like - Labriola
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
P.S.: Colbert never said they had Rudolph rated as a 1st rounder. What he said was that the Steelers had Rudolph rated "right there" with the top QBs in this draft. He also said something about the difference between these drafted prospects being "hundreds of a point" at times, despite different rounds. Whatever that means is up to interpretation.

I took that to mean they had him near the top of the QB positional board, but not necessarily as a 1st rounder. I do agree that their actions seemed to show they had Washington and Rudolph rated about the same on their board. That's what you do when that happens-- you draft one and you try to trade up to get the other. I just did the same thing in the board draft, selecting Anthony Miller and then desperately trying to trade up ASAP to get Nwosu.


That's a fair point. He said that Rudolph had "first round grades on him" which to me sounds like he's talking about their internal scouts and at least more than one having a first round grade on Rudolph. Whether that means that was their overall consensus, or if Colbert himself agreed with those that graded him that high, we don't know. Here's the full excerpt:

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“It was really a simple choice,” Colbert said. “Because we had Mason Rudolph rated among a really good group of quarterbacks. Which was unique to this draft. We haven’t seen a group like this in all honesty since the 2004 draft when we were able to take Ben. Mason had first round grades on him. We thought he could be an eventual starter in this league at some point.”

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 Post subject: Re: What a Reach in the Draft Looks Like - Labriola
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steel wrote:
Imagine drafting MICHAEL TURNER with that pick instead of RICARDO COCLOUGH -- wow


Did you read the article? Coclough was not a reach. He was highly touted and graded as a late 1st Rd or early 2nd rd. They drafted Nathanial Adibi in the 5th round because Cowher demanded a LB while Turner was sitting at the top of the board.


Of course -- I posted it!
I confused Coclough /Adibi in my post -- SORRY!

weird sounding last names of players who were both incredibly shitty -- easy to confuse for me!


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