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 Post subject: What a Reach in the Draft Looks Like - Labriola
PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2018 12:32 pm 
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this is a good article about drafting Ricardo Coclough

http://www.steelers.com/news/labriola-o ... a06cf5aa6b


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 Post subject: Re: What a Reach in the Draft Looks Like - Labriola
PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2018 2:48 pm 
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Imagine drafting MICHAEL TURNER with that pick instead of NATE ADIBI -- wow


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 Post subject: Re: What a Reach in the Draft Looks Like - Labriola
PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2018 7:53 am 
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Troy Edwards is the reach draft example. Only passed on Jevon Kearse and John Tait to pick him.

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 Post subject: Re: What a Reach in the Draft Looks Like - Labriola
PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2018 10:37 am 
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During the Tomlin/Colbert drafting era, here are the top 5 biggest reaches IMO:

1. Terrell Edmunds
2. Artie Burns
3. Sean Davis
4. Le'Veon Bell
5. Jason Worilds

And the biggest "value" picks, i.e. guys who were expected to go higher and fell:

1. David DeCastro
2. LaMarr Woodley
3. Stephon Tuitt
4. Rashard Mendenhall
5. Mike Adams

Not surprisingly, they've done a lot better with the guys who have fallen rather than calling their shot and drafting someone a lot higher than most saw coming IMO. Edmunds is the true test. Everything about this guy screams he's mediocre, but we'll see.

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 Post subject: Re: What a Reach in the Draft Looks Like - Labriola
PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2018 10:39 am 
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Might even add Shamarko Thomas to that list. Trading a future pick for a bust is a 'reach' in my book all day long.

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 Post subject: Re: What a Reach in the Draft Looks Like - Labriola
PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2018 11:03 am 
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You can't really put Edmunds on that list just yet. All the others have a history that can be judged. We don't know what's up with the new guy until the end at least, of the upcoming season.

Him and or Allen puts on 15 lbs and they're the same size as shaz. Almost as fast.

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 Post subject: Re: What a Reach in the Draft Looks Like - Labriola
PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2018 11:12 am 
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The key to a “reach” is that you ignored a higher rated guy on your board in favor of a “need” pick

In that case, Who did they have rated higher than Edmunds?

Or Worilds?
Or Shamarko?
Or any of the other “reaches” you mention?

Yes Troy E was totally a reach (because we know they had Kearse rated higher)

According to Colbert they had Edmonds rated highe than any ILB on their board

If they had chosen an ILB over Edmunds then THAT would have been a reach

A “reach” isn’t a guy who, IN RETROSPECT, didn’t turn out as u expected
As I said above a “reach” is a guy u choose for “need” over a more highly rated guy


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 Post subject: Re: What a Reach in the Draft Looks Like - Labriola
PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2018 11:57 am 
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steel wrote:
The key to a “reach” is that you ignored a higher rated guy on your board in favor of a “need” pick

In that case, Who did they have rated higher than Edmunds?

Or Worilds?
Or Shamarko?
Or any of the other “reaches” you mention?

Yes Troy E was totally a reach (because we know they had Kearse rated higher)

According to Colbert they had Edmonds rated highe than any ILB on their board

If they had chosen an ILB over Edmunds then THAT would have been a reach

A “reach” isn’t a guy who, IN RETROSPECT, didn’t turn out as u expected
As I said above a “reach” is a guy u choose for “need” over a more highly rated guy
Fair enough.

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 Post subject: Re: What a Reach in the Draft Looks Like - Labriola
PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2018 1:43 pm 
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steel wrote:
The key to a “reach” is that you ignored a higher rated guy on your board in favor of a “need” pick

In that case, Who did they have rated higher than Edmunds?

Or Worilds?
Or Shamarko?
Or any of the other “reaches” you mention?

Yes Troy E was totally a reach (because we know they had Kearse rated higher)

According to Colbert they had Edmonds rated highe than any ILB on their board

If they had chosen an ILB over Edmunds then THAT would have been a reach

A “reach” isn’t a guy who, IN RETROSPECT, didn’t turn out as u expected
As I said above a “reach” is a guy u choose for “need” over a more highly rated guy


I'm speaking more about a reach in terms of what the NFL draft community expects. Usually, when the Steelers take a guy the rest of draft twitter-verse thinks is is a reach, it's not like it has been a stunning success. Bell is really the one guy that stands out since most saw him as a 3rd/4th round guy, but he transformed his body in a way I don't think anyone outside of the Steelers saw coming. Burns hasn't been great, Sean Davis has been awful, I think Worilds was a reach as I didn't recall at the time him being seen as that high and he didn't pan out. We'll see with Edmunds. I think he's going to a guy who makes a splash play or two here and there and then sucks the other 40 plays, but we'll see.

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 Post subject: Re: What a Reach in the Draft Looks Like - Labriola
PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2018 2:01 pm 
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I understand what you're saying TB -- but:

1. draft pundits are mostly full of shit and don't really know what NFL teams are thinking. Terrell Edmunds was getting a lot of pre-draft buzz (quietly), and there was definitely a feeling that he would go high in the 2nd. We chose him at #28, not #10.

2. I think the Labiola article nails the important point that REACH has to do with drafting NEED over quality. This is a key point.

3. I'm not sure who we really passed on that was way better than Edmunds. Maybe Darius Guice or Nick Chubb will be better, but we definitely didn't need a RB here. What defenders did we pass on in favor of Edmunds? And, are you sure those guys we passed on were ranked much higher than Edmunds on the Steelers board?

4. I know we won't ever have access to the Steelers board, but I just don't see any big stud D players who we passed on here. Darius Leonard? Harold Landry? Josh Jackson? Is it super clear that those guys are much better than Edmunds? We won't know for awhile, but I don't doubt that the Steelers did their homework on all those guys, and they liked Edmunds better.

5. The Edmunds pick doesn't "stink" like the Troy Edwards pick or the Ricardo Coclough pick. When we drafted Edwards/Coclough, there were significantly better players available who we passed on, in favor of a bullshit need pick. Harold Landry most certainly isn't Jevon Kearse right now.


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