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 Post subject: Matthew Thomas
PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2018 12:23 pm 
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man, I hope this kid makes the roster -- sounds like a very tough family situation -- he had a lot of growing up to do

could be a huge coup for us if he can reach his potential:

https://247sports.com/nfl/pittsburgh-st ... -118159967

He's also a decent sized guy who can run and jump:

6'3" 232 lbs
4.58 40
41.5 vert
131 broad

Some comparisons - his measurables stack up well:

Shaq Griffen
6'0" 227 lbs
4.38 40
117 broad

Malik Jefferson
6'2" 236 lbs
4.52 40
36 vert
125 broad

Skai Moore
6'2" 226 lbs
4.73 40 (slow!!!!)
36 vert
117 broad

Rashan Evans
6'3" 232 lbs
did not run 40
30 vert
116 broad

Vander Esch
6'4" 256 lbs
4.65 40
39.5 vert
124 broad

Josey Jewell
6'1" 234 lbs
4.82 40 (holy shit slow)
33 vert
117 broad


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 Post subject: Re: Matthew Thomas
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I think he could be that proverbial 'diamond in the rough'. Had some academic issues and couldn't follow the rules early on. All signs of immaturity. That can be coached up. Football intelligence? Can be coached up. Football instincts? Can't. I think Thomas has football instincts. I think Thomas is the poster child for that Height, Weight, Speed and Length guy with some really good athleticism. The short shuttle in 4.28s? On top of the vert and broad that was easily in the top performers range. Now if Thomas can just keep his nose to the grind and put it all together on the field. Definitely could be a UDFA Steal for the Steelers. Rooting for this guy and for all the chips falling in place for him. SBI.


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 Post subject: Re: Matthew Thomas
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Wow didn't know about this kid. Thanks for posting!

This would be a huge hit for us if it does pan out and it would seem the talent is there. As everyone dressing in B&G this year I hope he turns into a Hall of Famer

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 Post subject: Re: Matthew Thomas
PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2018 11:34 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Matthew Thomas
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SOCALSTEEL wrote:
https://247sports.com/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers/Article/Fallen-5-Star-Linebacker-Realizes-Steelers-Are-Final-Chance-118159967


this is the link i posted in my original post


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 Post subject: Re: Matthew Thomas
PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2018 10:04 am 
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Thomas measured in at 6-foot-2 6/8. He weighed in at 232 pounds.

Thomas' hand measured at 8 7/8", his arm length is 33" and his wingspan is 79 1/8".

https://247sports.com/college/florida-s ... -115746630

His combine stats and breakdown according to Zierlein.

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/matthew-t ... ff05f442ff

His pro day stats.

http://draftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile ... genpos=OLB

So if you average his 40 time from the two results he is a 4.5s guy....

Averaging the short shuttle times he is 4.3s guy

Averaging the 10 split his 1.59s guy

Averaging the 3-cone he's still under 7s @ 6.94s...


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 Post subject: Re: Matthew Thomas
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Great summary

He’s got the best measurables of every LB in this draft

I know he can play

Let’s hope he gets his shit together mentally


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 Post subject: Re: Matthew Thomas
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I'm just gonna leave this here.

Matthew Thomas
Height: 6026
Weight: 232
40 Yrd Dash: 4.44
20 Yrd Dash: 2.63
10 Yrd Dash: 1.54
Vertical Jump: 41 1/2
Broad Jump: 10'11"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.28
3-Cone Drill: 6.85

Richard Sherman
Height: 6025
Weight: 195
40 Yrd Dash: 4.53
20 Yrd Dash: 2.56
10 Yrd Dash: 1.58
Vertical Jump: 38
Broad Jump: 11'00"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.29
3-Cone Drill: 6.72

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 Post subject: Re: Matthew Thomas
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On field and trust me I have looked everywhere

He can run
He can find the ball and make plays

He has talent

He does some things better than expected(Beat blocks find the ball in zone coverage)

This group of UDFAS could be very special

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 Post subject: Re: Matthew Thomas
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FC wrote:
On field and trust me I have looked everywhere

He can run
He can find the ball and make plays

He has talent

He does some things better than expected(Beat blocks find the ball in zone coverage)

This group of UDFAS could be very special

If Matthew Thomas can make the 53 which I hope he does - there will be pretty upstanding rookies that he can hang out with & keep him on the straight & narrow. What a talented exceptional athlete. This could be the draft & as mentioned above UDFA signings of a decade as it also includes the possible successor to Ben.


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 Post subject: Re: Matthew Thomas
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This might be up for debate, but not much.

News flash; Florida State Pittsburgh Steeler lineage is really a dot. Lawrence Timmons and then I think the next most famous person is Weegie Thompson.

I am waiting for the chuckles to die down.


Remember him? The 6’6” Steeler phenom has 11 touchdowns over his illustrious 6 year career.


I will go out on a limb and call bust now on this guy, especially with the glaring loss to Sherman in the broad jump.


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 Post subject: Re: Matthew Thomas
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The non-cynical side of me thinks he might be incredible with the tale of the tape, and now the huge chip on his shoulder for not getting drafted and see other putzes getting drafted ahead of him. Sounds like the primordial ooze that births HOFers!


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 Post subject: Re: Matthew Thomas
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LakecrestSteeler wrote:

I will go out on a limb and call bust now on this guy, especially with the glaring loss to Sherman in the broad jump.


Hahaha -- well, by definition, a team can never "bust" on a UDFA.

I think B2B's point about the measurables is, they don't mean shit in terms of becoming a player. Which is definitely partly true.

Tyler Matakevich's measurables are terrible, and it shows on the field since he looks like molasses out there


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 Post subject: Re: Matthew Thomas
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Bryant McFadden is a Florida State guy and he did very well with the Steelers.

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 Post subject: Re: Matthew Thomas
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Vince Williams FSU

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 Post subject: Re: Matthew Thomas
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From the OP linked article...

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He wasn't just the leading tackler at FSU, Thomas was the best coverage backer. He remained on the field during nickel and dime sets. He can cover slot receivers, do all of what's needed at the position,


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 Post subject: Re: Matthew Thomas
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Like I said not much argument. Vince has not done anything. I figured it would be McFadden. Weegie stuck in my memory more for his name and lack of fulfillment. I couldn’t remember anything remarkable with McFadden really, which is probably par for the course for an average to above average corner in the NFL.

Willie Reid
Alonzo Jackson
Chris Hope
Orpheus Roye
Nat Terry
T.J. Thomas

And the others mentioned above.

I took B2B’s tale of the tape to mean Richard Sherman’s combine numbers were a pretty high bar because of his size and position. I should have used my sarcastic font meaning because he missed the broad jump by a smidge I was tossing B2B’s argument which would be ridiculous. Just assumed that Sherman’s number were a high bar, which I thought is what B2B was saying.


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 Post subject: Re: Matthew Thomas
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LakecrestSteeler wrote:
Like I said not much argument. Vince has not done anything. I figured it would be McFadden. Weegie stuck in my memory more for his name and lack of fulfillment. I couldn’t remember anything remarkable with McFadden really, which is probably par for the course for an average to above average corner in the NFL.

Willie Reid
Alonzo Jackson
Chris Hope
Orpheus Roye
Nat Terry
T.J. Thomas

And the others mentioned above.

I took B2B’s tale of the tape to mean Richard Sherman’s combine numbers were a pretty high bar because of his size and position. I should have used my sarcastic font meaning because he missed the broad jump by a smidge I was tossing B2B’s argument which would be ridiculous. Just assumed that Sherman’s number were a high bar, which I thought is what B2B was saying.

I was just pointing out that Thomas's workout numbers were ridiculous for an ILB who was 40lbs heavier than Sherman. It doesn't mean he will be successful-- for instance, there are times where he looks indecisive, which can be the kiss of death--but he's clearly an elite athlete.

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 Post subject: Re: Matthew Thomas
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I don't know LakecrestSteeler, seems to me that we have done pretty well in taking players from FSU. Sure, you are not going to have a 100% success rate, what team does drafting players from one school?

Orpheus Roye was a very good player for a long time. He started out as a phenomenal wedge buster on special teams then became a starting DE for us his last two seasons. He had 8 sacks in those 25 starts and Cleveland came in free agency and were offering more than the Steelers could match. Roye would play 13 years and start 128 games.

Chris Hope. He played 11 seasons, started 113 games, made the Pro Bowl in 2008 for Tennessee.

Bryant McFadden. Played 7 seasons, started 51 games, but more importantly he played in 14 playoff games. You remove McFadden from those 2005, 2008 championship postseason runs is that defense the same? Ike Taylor couldn't cover everyone. I remember McFadden doing a great job against Reggie Wayne for example.

Lawerence Timmons. 11 seasons , 140 starts, one Pro Bowl.

Vince Williams. 5 seasons, 33 games started, had 88 tackles and 8 sacks last year for a lowly 6th round pick.

So, yeah, go ahead and try and bring me down with Willie Reid and Alonzo Jackson, big deal. I will take that group of 5 players listed above and gladly take the hit on Reid and Jackson every time.

The thing with Thomas is that if the Steelers had drafted him with that early 5th round pick we had, the media would be falling all over themselves talking about how brilliant a pick it was!! He should have been drafted. Somebody with his athletic ability and production at a big school should never fall out of the draft like that.

I agree with many about this UDFA class. Whether it is Thomas, Gilmore, Henderson, the two corners Summers or Johnson, etc, I could see as many as 3 UDFAs making the team. The past couple seasons, the UDFA class has been underwhelming. Not this year though, Colbert outdid himself, it is like we have 3 years worth of quality UDFAs.

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 Post subject: Re: Matthew Thomas
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Scunge wrote:
The thing with Thomas is that if the Steelers had drafted him with that early 5th round pick we had, the media would be falling all over themselves talking about how brilliant a pick it was!! He should have been drafted. Somebody with his athletic ability and production at a big school should never fall out of the draft like that.



That is the truth. If we chose Thomas over the PSU safety, everyone would've said our draft was so much better since we addressed the hole at ILB.

Im amazed this kid wasn't drafted -- his personal issues don't seem like the kind of thing that goes to character (ie Joe Mixon slugging his GF in the mouth) - seems like his personal issues can be resolved. I'm excited to see what he can do on the field.

Also - great summary of past Steelers FSU players -- all great points


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 Post subject: Re: Matthew Thomas
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Scunge wrote:
I don't know LakecrestSteeler, seems to me that we have done pretty well in taking players from FSU. Sure, you are not going to have a 100% success rate, what team does drafting players from one school?

Orpheus Roye was a very good player for a long time. He started out as a phenomenal wedge buster on special teams then became a starting DE for us his last two seasons. He had 8 sacks in those 25 starts and Cleveland came in free agency and were offering more than the Steelers could match. Roye would play 13 years and start 128 games.

Chris Hope. He played 11 seasons, started 113 games, made the Pro Bowl in 2008 for Tennessee.

Bryant McFadden. Played 7 seasons, started 51 games, but more importantly he played in 14 playoff games. You remove McFadden from those 2005, 2008 championship postseason runs is that defense the same? Ike Taylor couldn't cover everyone. I remember McFadden doing a great job against Reggie Wayne for example.

Lawerence Timmons. 11 seasons , 140 starts, one Pro Bowl.

Vince Williams. 5 seasons, 33 games started, had 88 tackles and 8 sacks last year for a lowly 6th round pick.

So, yeah, go ahead and try and bring me down with Willie Reid and Alonzo Jackson, big deal. I will take that group of 5 players listed above and gladly take the hit on Reid and Jackson every time.

The thing with Thomas is that if the Steelers had drafted him with that early 5th round pick we had, the media would be falling all over themselves talking about how brilliant a pick it was!! He should have been drafted. Somebody with his athletic ability and production at a big school should never fall out of the draft like that.

I agree with many about this UDFA class. Whether it is Thomas, Gilmore, Henderson, the two corners Summers or Johnson, etc, I could see as many as 3 UDFAs making the team. The past couple seasons, the UDFA class has been underwhelming. Not this year though, Colbert outdid himself, it is like we have 3 years worth of quality UDFAs.


You either exposed the holes in my memory or my crazy expectations from draft picks. I am not expecting hall of famers, but I do find myself thinking they should all be household names or they are busts. I get that is unrealistic, but when I read through the bios, combine numbers, etc.; I am wanting and hoping we get the next household name.

I read the article on Thomas early on and was pretty excited that he might be the next Harrison(Household name) then I went through the FSU names and they did not appear to be household names aside from Timmons. So that was my argument for not getting excited since he was from FSU.

You do point out how exceptionally and unfairly good you have to be in the secondary to be remembered easily. Troy, Lake, Woodson, Blount, and Shell...that is most likely it for my memory if you fast forward 5 years time if I were to venture a bet. Pick most other positions, WR, RB, WR, LB, DL and I can go deep on the history. For the secondary, if your name is getting called it is for the wrong reason, and if it is getting called enough to remember in the secondary your most likely a HOFer either blowing up plays, sacking, or intercepting at record levels.

You bring up another question “what team does have 100% success”? Can anyone think of a team that has more than one HOFer from the same school?

I was thinking if Harrison were to get in, that would be 2 from Kent State. There has to be more examples, but Google did not help. One needs an Excel file from the HOF.

Scunge I hope you did some research on a couple of those names above, if not you have a remarkably insane memory, that demonstrates what realistic expectations and success looks like when drafting from a big name school.

I will cross my fingers and hope Thomas is the next Steel of the century.


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 Post subject: Re: Matthew Thomas
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I think Tomlin has an attraction or affinity for Florida State players because of his time with Tampa Bay too.

When Tomlin was the defensive backs coach for the Bucs they had on defense:

Dexter Jackson, FS, Florida State
Derrick Brooks, OLB, Florida State
Greg Spires, DE , Florida State

I imagine his time down there he must have developed some contacts and familiarity for Florida St and the University of Florida. You look at the picks in Pouncey, Gilbert, Chris Rainey. I know he liked Keanu Neal (I did too). Tomlin liked Joe Haden back in the day and then we sign him as a free agent last season.

I loved that we were able to sign John L Williams back in the mid-90s. He was a Florida Gator. Ernie Mills was a Florida Gator too. They were on that 1995 team that lost in the Super Bowl. Our punter on that team? Rohn Stark, a Florida St player.

So, yeah, the state of Florida has been pretty good to us with both of those schools providing plenty of good, some great players over the years.

Lake, I do think it is pretty incredible the number of great NFL players that have come out of Kent State. In addition to Jack Lambert and James Harrison, you also had:

Antonio Gates
Julian Edelman
Josh Cribbs
and our very own Rosie Nix who just made the Pro Bowl!

In terms of Thomas, I am crossing my fingers too, we are about due to have another Willie Parker/James Harrison/Ramon Foster/Rosie Nix type of UDFA starter emerge and have an impact.

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 Post subject: Re: Matthew Thomas
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On the subject of Matthew Thomas, great pickup at UDFA. The kid has a good chance to make the team with his athletic skills. Thomas and Franklin are my defensive and offensive underdogs.


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 Post subject: Re: Matthew Thomas
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Love that they're taking a flyer on Matthew Thomas. Time will tell if he is more Shamarko Thomas, Martavis Bryant, somewhere in between or nowhere near them at all. My fear is he's a combo of Shamarko and Martavis above the neck. Shamarko was very successful at Syracuse even though he lacked in the IQ department. When he got to the NFL he was more than athletically gifted enough to be on the field, but couldn't handle the IQ part of the game. Martavis was the same, but his seemed to be more of maturity/decision making problem than football IQ. My gut tells me that Matthew's deficiencies lie somewhere in between. How else does a guy with crazy athletic talent (for his position) slide all the way out of the draft?

I'm pulling for him and hope he at least has the skillset to follow the plan Tomlin has set out for him. I hope he's the next Shazier. Time will tell, I guess.


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 Post subject: Re: Matthew Thomas
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Normal first name -check

Frame - medium

HIG - unknown

Wrist circumference - normal to good

Wonderlic - who cares

Head case - check

Sirrup or weed - unknown

Measurables - good

Tape scrub - in process

Intangibles - yes...mainly an athlete

Floor - Huey Richardson

Ceiling - Jason Worilds

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