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 Post subject: B2B's Outdraft The Steelers 2018: You Re-Pick the Draft
PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2018 10:50 am 
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It's time for this year's entries into the ongoing contest, where we try to pick better drafts than the Steelers.

Select 1 player at each draft spot who was available at that spot. Add 13 UDFAs, if you like. You can submit two versions: one with the trade up for Rudolph and one as if that had not happened.

Version 1: 1.28, 2.60, 3.76, 3.92, 5.148, 5.165, 7.246 + 13 UDFA
Version 2: 1.28, 2.60, 3.79, 3.92, 5.148, 5.165, 7.220, 7.246 + 13 UDFA
I'll post a sample entry for each in the replies.

Results from two years ago are here:
http://steelerfury.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=10148&p=372902&hilit=Outdraft+The+Steelers#p372902

Results from last year are here:
http://steelerfury.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=8276&p=295721&hilit=Outdraft+The+Steelers#p295721

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 Post subject: Re: B2B's Outdraft The Steelers 2018: You Re-Pick the Draft
PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2018 11:08 am 
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for no trade up:

1.28 WR Anthony Miller
2.62 OT Brian O'Neil
3.79 FS Tracy Walker
3.92 SS/LB Shaquem Griffin
5.148 EDGE Ogbonnia Okoronkwo
5.165 RB Jalen Samuels
7.220 WR Richie James
7.246 LB Skai Moore
Deon Yelder, Chris Warren III, Chase Litton, Ryan Nall, Trayvon Henderson, Matthew Thomas, Tony Adams, Arrion Springs, Darius Jackson, Hercules Mata'afa, Ross Dwelley, Malik Earl, Garrett Hudson

for trade up:

1.28 TE Dallas Goedert
2.62 WR DJ Chark
3.76 QB Mason Rudolph
3.92 SS/LB Shaquem Griffin
5.148 EDGE Ogbonnia Okoronkwo
5.165 RB Jalen Samuels
7.246 ILB Skai Moore
Quenton Meeks, Jeremy Reaves, Timon Parris, Dejon Allen, David Steinmetz, Steven Dunbar, Charvarius Ward, Eddy Wilson, Marcel Frazier, Sharif Finch, Michael Joseph, Jonah Trinnaman, Chad Kanoff
+up to 13 UDFA

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 Post subject: Re: B2B's Outdraft The Steelers 2018: You Re-Pick the Draft
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So I can prove once again I stink at this :-) This one is for the points. Would the Steelers take a kicker in the 5th? no way but I think he will get more points than any other player lower.
1.28: Harold Landry OLB
2.60 Justin Reid S
3.79 Oren Burks LB
3.92 Harrison Phillips DT
5.148 Genard Avery LB
5.165 Daniel Carlson K
7.220 Quentin Poling LB
7.246 Skai Moore, LB

1.28: Harold Landry OLB
2.60 Justin Reid S
3.79 Oren Burks LB
3.92 Harrison Phillips DT
5.148 Genard Avery LB
5.165 Marquez Valdes-Scantling WR <- this is who I would take
7.220 Quentin Poling LB
7.246 Skai Moore, LB

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 Post subject: Re: B2B's Outdraft The Steelers 2018: You Re-Pick the Draft
PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2018 1:37 pm 
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How the hell is this thing scored?


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 Post subject: Re: B2B's Outdraft The Steelers 2018: You Re-Pick the Draft
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1 Sony michel
2 James Washington
3 Orlando Brown
3 Ronnie Harrison
5genard Avery
5 jamarco jones
7 Jason sanders
7 Ryan izzo


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 Post subject: Re: B2B's Outdraft The Steelers 2018: You Re-Pick the Draft
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SP wrote:
How the hell is this thing scored?


I was guessing by the Pro Football Reference ranks at the end of the year per player.

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 Post subject: Re: B2B's Outdraft The Steelers 2018: You Re-Pick the Draft
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1.28 Harold Landry, LB, Boston College
2.62 Justin Reid, S, Stanford
3.79 Michael Gallup, WR, Colorado St
3.92 Maurice Hurst, DL Michigan
5.148 Genard Avery, LB Memphis
5.165 Jaylen Samuels, RB, NC State
7.220 Will Clapp, G, LSU
7.246 Skai Moore, LB, South Carolina

I'll keep the Steelers UDFA class, why not.

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 Post subject: Re: B2B's Outdraft The Steelers 2018: You Re-Pick the Draft
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Well, that’s not a shameful effort on my part. But based on careful analysis of available data, this year my picks will be...exactly whoever Ice takes.


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 Post subject: Re: B2B's Outdraft The Steelers 2018: You Re-Pick the Draft
PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2018 7:13 pm 
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WO/Trade
1. 28 Mike Gesicki TE
2. 60 James Washington WR
3. 79 Rasheem Green OLB
3. 92 Harrison Phillips DT
5. 148 Dane Cruikshank S
5. 165 Jaylen Samuels RB/WR
7. 220 Andre Smith ILB
7. 246 Rod Taylor OG


W/Trade
1.28 Ronald Jones RB
2.62 James Washington WR
3.76 Malik Jefferson ILB
3.92 Tarvarius Moore FS
5.148 Tim Settle DT
5.165 Bradley Bozeman OC
7.246 Kendall Donnerson OLB

UDFA's...
Ryan Nall, RB, Oregon State
Roc Thomas, RB, Jacksonville State
Patrick Morris, C, TCU
Ike Boettger, OL, Iowa
Matthew Thomas, LB, Florida State
Olasunkanmi Adeniyi, LB, Toledo
Skai Moore, LB, South Carolina
Godwin Igwebuike, DB, Northwestern
Trey Johnson, CB, Villanova
Charvarius Ward, CB, Middle Tennessee State
Brandon Facyson, CB, Virginia Tech
Michael Joseph, CB, Dubuque
Greg Gilmore, NT, LSU
Poona Ford, DT, Texas
Hercules Mata'afa, DT, Washington State
Jonathan Wynn, DE, Vanderbilt
Marcus Baugh, TE, Ohio State
Deon Yelder, TE, Western Kentucky
Deontay Burnett, WR, Southern Cal
Ka'Raun White, WR, West Virginia


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 Post subject: Re: B2B's Outdraft The Steelers 2018: You Re-Pick the Draft
PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2018 8:24 pm 
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SP wrote:
How the hell is this thing scored?

Perch you are a creature of habit. I believe this is the exact response you gave to the original post. :lol:

I decided to use Profootballreference.com's Career Approximate Value. It's not perfect, but it does a decent job of comparing players. Basically, it uses a team's success on the unit on which the player participates, and it weights that performance by number of snaps and every piece of statistical data for that player that is among the ones tracked by the league.

Full explanation here:
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/index37a8.html

top 25 Career AV of all time (unweighted, so length of career peak is a factor):
1 Peyton Manning 271 1998-2015 2TM
2 Tom Brady 255 2000-2017 nwe
Brett Favre+ 255 1991-2010 4TM
4 Jerry Rice+ 250 1985-2004 3TM
5 Drew Brees 239 2001-2017 2TM
6 Fran Tarkenton+ 236 1961-1978 2TM
7 Reggie White+ 226 1985-2000 3TM
8 Bruce Smith+ 223 1985-2003 2TM
9 Ray Lewis+ 221 1996-2012 rav
10 Dan Marino+ 216 1983-1999 mia
11 Bruce Matthews+ 210 1983-2001 oti
12 John Elway+ 203 1983-1998 den
13 Derrick Brooks+ 191 1995-2008 tam
14 Rod Woodson+ 190 1987-2003 4TM
15 Junior Seau+ 187 1990-2009 3TM
16 Alan Page+ 185 1967-1981 2TM
17 Lawrence Taylor+ 182 1981-1993 nyg
18 Julius Peppers 179 2002-2017 3TM
19 Philip Rivers 177 2004-2017 sdg
20 Anthony Munoz+ 174 1980-1992 cin
21 Ben Roethlisberger 171 2004-2017 pit
Steve Young+ 171 1985-1999 2TM
23 Emmitt Smith+ 170 1990-2004 2TM
24 Carl Eller+ 168 1964-1979 2TM
Walter Payton+ 168 1975-1987 chi

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 Post subject: Re: B2B's Outdraft The Steelers 2018: You Re-Pick the Draft
PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2018 12:32 am 
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mick wrote:
Well, that’s not a shameful effort on my part. But based on careful analysis of available data, this year my picks will be...exactly whoever Ice takes.

Yeah, no kidding.

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 Post subject: Re: B2B's Outdraft The Steelers 2018: You Re-Pick the Draft
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With trade:

1) Ronald Jones, RB, USC
2) James Washington, WR, OkSt
3a) Sam Hubbard, DE, tOSU
3b) Tarvarius Moore, S, Southern Miss
5a) Tyrell Crosby, OT, Oregon
5b) Jaylen Samuels, RB, NCSt
7) Logan Cooke, P MSU

No trade:

1) Ronald Jones, RB, USC
2) James Washington, WR, OKSt
3) Mike Gallup, WR, CSU
5a) Tyrell Crosby, OT, Oregon
5b) Jaylen Samuels, RB, NCSt
7a) Javon Wims, WR, UGA
7b) Logan Cooke, P, MSU

UDFA (picked 13)

Simmie Cobbs Jr, WR
Marcus Baugh, TE
Chris Worley, ILB
Quadree Henderson, WR/KR/PR
Patrick Morris, C
Matt Thomas, ILB
Brandon Facyson, CB
Poona Ford, DT
Marcell Frazier, DE
Ka'Raun White, WR
Tracy Sprinkle, DT
Deon Yelder, TE
Kyle Allen, QB


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 Post subject: Re: B2B's Outdraft The Steelers 2018: You Re-Pick the Draft
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2018 11:53 am 
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
for no trade up:

1.28 WR Anthony Miller
2.62 OT Brian O'Neil
3.79 FS Tracy Walker
3.92 SS/LB Shaquem Griffin
5.148 EDGE Ogbonnia Okoronkwo
5.165 RB Jalen Samuels
7.220 WR Richie James
7.246 LB Skai Moore
Deon Yelder, Chris Warren III, Chase Litton, Ryan Nall, Trayvon Henderson, Matthew Thomas, Tony Adams, Arrion Springs, Darius Jackson, Hercules Mata'afa, Ross Dwelley, Malik Earl, Garrett Hudson

for trade up:

1.28 TE Dallas Goedert
2.62 WR DJ Chark
3.76 QB Mason Rudolph
3.92 SS/LB Shaquem Griffin
5.148 EDGE Ogbonnia Okoronkwo
5.165 RB Jalen Samuels
7.246 ILB Skai Moore
Quenton Meeks, Jeremy Reaves, Timon Parris, Dejon Allen, David Steinmetz, Steven Dunbar, Charvarius Ward, Eddy Wilson, Marcel Frazier, Sharif Finch, Michael Joseph, Jonah Trinnaman, Chad Kanoff
+up to 13 UDFA



Now the second one is a Draft i would have been crazy about


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 Post subject: Re: B2B's Outdraft The Steelers 2018: You Re-Pick the Draft
PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2018 11:10 am 
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Would like to close this up before minicamp, so last call for entries.

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 Post subject: Re: B2B's Outdraft The Steelers 2018: You Re-Pick the Draft
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1.28 WR Anthony Miller
2.62 FS Justin Reid
3.76 ILB Malik Jefferson
3.92 DT Harrison Phillips
5.148 EDGE Ogbonnia Okoronkwo
5.165 RB Jalen Samuels
7.246 RB Justin Jackson
UDFA: Chris Jones, Josh Kalu, Quin Blanding, Jeremy Reaves, Charvarious Ward, Holton Hill, Akrum Wadley, Poona Ford, Matthew Thomas, Nick DeLuca, Josh Adams, Brett Toth, Joe Ostman


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 Post subject: Re: B2B's Outdraft The Steelers 2018: You Re-Pick the Draft
PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2018 2:48 pm 
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1.28 CB Josh Jackson
2.60 James Washington
3.76 QB Mason Rudolph
3.92 DT Harrison Phillips
5.148 EDGE Ogbonnia Okoronkwo
5.165 S DeShon Elliott
7.246 WR Austin Proehl

And I’ll steal ice’s udfa list because (a) haven’t really paid attention this draft and (b) hard to do this on an iphone


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