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 Post subject: Re: Differences between Landry Jones and Mason Rudolph...
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Add to that, Rudolph worked with Washington, and tracking and (winning contested) deep/endzone balls might be his biggest strength.


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 Post subject: Re: Differences between Landry Jones and Mason Rudolph...
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What wasn’t known at the time was how Marvin Lewis and company were prepared to select Rudolph to back up Andy Dalton, especially after losing AJ McCarron to free agency.

Lewis joked in a press conference suggesting the Steelers must have had their draft room “bugged” as they were preparing to take Rudolph.

Marvin Lewis jokes the Steelers “had the room” bugged and were discussing drafting QB Mason Rudolph before the Pittsburgh jumped ahead of them. Payback for the Bengals stealing William Jackson III a couple years ago.
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 Post subject: Re: Differences between Landry Jones and Mason Rudolph...
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2018 1:42 pm 
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What separates Walter Andrew Brister the 3rd, Kordell Stewart, Neil O'Donnell and Mason Rudolph?


Bubby really liked beer and had a very emotional mom, also enjoyed soul-crushing interceptions.

Neil was possibly the missing link to the Neanderthal people, very accurate, except when given the chance to pass the ball to Larry Brown.

Kordell had that thing on his face, excellent taste in motor vehicles, 4.3 speed and an absolute cannon for an arm, and despite his coach's best efforts (including his only career public display of affection), was not a pocket passer.

Not sure where Rudolph will fit on that continuum yet.


Kordell also wilted under pressure like no other athlete I've ever seen in any sport. See, for example, the 1997 and 2001 AFCC games. There was a close up shot on Kordell near the end of the 2001 AFCC that I'll never forget. The Steelers had the ball with about 4 and a half minutes to go in the 4th quarter, down by 7. The camera zooms in on Kordell, and he has has a look of nervous fear plastered on his face. I knew at that moment the Steelers were going to lose. Sure enough, Kordell went on to throw not one, but two interceptions in the last 4 minutes of that game, and the Steelers lost by 7.

Someone has posted the game on Youtube (we'll see how long it stays there). The close up happens at the 2 hour and 15 minute mark. Kordell's expressions and body language for the rest of the game are incredible. He wanted to be anywhere but Heinz Field at that moment. Kordell was the anti-Ben, and probably my least favorite Steeler of all time.



That is totally irrelevant. He won lots of games for us and that is what matters.

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 Post subject: Re: Differences between Landry Jones and Mason Rudolph...
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Brady's biggest asset....


is Ernie Adams.

NE is a lousy comparison. They can damn near plug-n-play QB like other teams do with RB.


Adams is an asset, but the ability to process that information, at game speed, with less than 45 seconds to work with, and apply it to the defense you see in front of you, is what makes it work on the field.


This.

I looked up Brady on wiki. There is some very interesting info.
1) A fucked up full retard last? year where the dumb fuck coach was swapping him and Henne? out at the halves or quarters.

2) Some impressive 4th quarter performances.

Brady proved he could succeed at the next level. He was hamstrung by looking like an emaciated spaz at the combine and not a statuesque QB. So they all forgot the game tape and went with combine impressions.

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 Post subject: Re: Differences between Landry Jones and Mason Rudolph...
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Franco there is no revisionist history going on here I assure you.

Tom Clements is a damn good QB guru.

From 2001-2003 the QB play did improve with Stewart and with Tommy Maddox.

I think in 2001 Stewart completed over 60% of his passes and oh, by the way, did make the Pro Bowl. Yeah, that was after the typical QBs bowed out and he was brought in as a replacement but still, he did have one of his best years with Clements coaching him up. In 2002 he completed 65% of his passes.

Again, not having stability at that offensive coordinator position, not having a QB coach for the first 6 years of his NFL career was incredibly damaging to his development.

People like to hate on this player or that but I can step back and appreciate that sometimes it does all come down to blind luck and being in the right situation.

Does Joe Montana become the QB he became without Bill Walsh? Does Steve Young?

Does Peyton Manning become that HOFer without Tom Moore?

Does Drew Brees become a HOFer without going to New Orleans and having Sean Payton as his coach/guru?

I think that if you take all of those great QBs and put them in Stewart's position where he had 5 offensive coordinators in 7 years and no QB position coach for the first 6 years, I think they would all struggle too and their careers would not have gone as well.


You are equally revisionist in forgetting that Kordell was a burning bag of shit when it came to reading defenses. And while he may have had a cannon for an arm it performed like a shotgun a lot of the time.

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 Post subject: Re: Differences between Landry Jones and Mason Rudolph...
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At this point a lot; Landry actually has NFL experience. I know y'all want Rudolph to be the heir apparent much like the media immediately projected essentially generating news for clicks when it was nothing more than jumping to unsubstantiated conclusions. At this point in Rudolph's short career never taking a snap in the NFL yet comparing him to any QB in the league with actual NFL experience is a projection into the wishful thinking category. Potential, can be a fickle thing. I reiterate, Rudolph hasn't done anything in the NFL yet. Landry is further ahead than Rudolph is at this point. Expecting Rudolph to come in and take Landry's job from the gate is also a projection bordering on wishful thinking. Let's wait and see how this scenario unfolds first.


I am not saying that they are going to cut Landry Jones like immediately, that would be stupid. But, I think you will see Rudolph come in and as training camp progresses, as the preseason games start, as we get closer to finalizing the 53 man roster, that there will come a decision and the Steelers will choose Rudolph as the #2 QB.

And if Jones is not the #2 QB then it makes no sense to keep him over Dobbs as the #3. That #3 is inactive, he does not suit up, he barely get any reps in practice. That $1.9 million that we can save by cutting Jones or trading him could very well be money used to sign a late free agent (ILB, OLB) before the season starts.

Also, how many of the other teams that take a QB high in round 1, 2 or 3 would make that QB a #3 QB on the depth chart?

If Lamar Jackson had fallen to round 2 say, and the Steelers had drafted him at 60, would he also be #3 behind Landry Jones? Would Sam Darnold? Would Josh Allen? Just not understanding the love for Landry Jones, hasn't all of his wins come against the Cleveland Browns, two that closed out the season when the Browns were sucking for a top draft pick? That is supposed to be impressive? Really?

I get that Scunge I just believe that there will have to do/be something extraordinary about Rudolph to succeed Landry. Not saying Landry is a super star. Why can't Landry stay on the roster? They kept Batch and Leftwich as Ben's back ups for a season or 2 if memory serves. I say keep the players that give you the best chances of winning. Especially when the injuries build up and your depth has to perform off the bench. Dobbs I think is on the roster bubble. JMO.


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 Post subject: Re: Differences between Landry Jones and Mason Rudolph...
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Once upon a time, Ben started a season as a rookie #2 QB, so there is precedent.

Kordell won a lot of RS games for us. He was never going to win a super bowl. Not nearly accurate enough, didn't have the "IT" factor.


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 Post subject: Re: Differences between Landry Jones and Mason Rudolph...
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StillMadAtSlobber wrote:
looked up Brady on wiki. There is some very interesting info.
1) A fucked up full retard last? year where the dumb fuck coach was swapping him and Henne? out at the halves or quarters.

2) Some impressive 4th quarter performances.

Brady proved he could succeed at the next level. He was hamstrung by looking like an emaciated spaz at the combine and not a statuesque QB. So they all forgot the game tape and went with combine impressions.


It's worse. It wasn't even Chad Henne. It was Drew Henson.

In defense, Lloyd Carr was, in fact, a moron.


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 Post subject: Re: Differences between Landry Jones and Mason Rudolph...
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
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B2B grasping at straws. He despises Peyton Manning, too.

Fuck off, man. I like who I like and don't like who I don't like... same as you, incidentally.

I have always thought Peyton Manning was an entitled little prick who has a carefully cultivated public persona to cover up his being a jagoff. On the other hand, I rather like Eli... and Eli grew a pair during his NFL career-- an adaptation that helped him win a couple of Super Bowls.

And, to be clear: I don't hate Mason Rudolph, at all. I merely recognize his limitations-- limitations that I think will make him a great backup and possibly average starter. Hardly hate-- there are few QBs each year I would speak that highly of.


Couldn’t agree more about Peyton.


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 Post subject: Re: Differences between Landry Jones and Mason Rudolph...
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Landry will not go anywhere next year. Ben is usually out for 3 to 4 games per year and we need someone that has won games to back him up. Landry has been horrible, but he has also played like an all-pro. You say when was Landry all-pro? Look at the tape when he beat a tough Arizona team. After the game Bruce Arians can be seen saying "Looks like you have your future quarterback."

The SB window is open for one, maybe two years and we cannot piss it away if Ben gets hurt. Dobbs has shown that he doesnt belong and Rudolph is a rookie who hasn't completed a pass. Landry has won meaningful games. I doubt that management will let Landry go anywhere.

No..I am not Landry's agent.


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 Post subject: Re: Differences between Landry Jones and Mason Rudolph...
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Steelafan77 wrote:
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At this point a lot; Landry actually has NFL experience. I know y'all want Rudolph to be the heir apparent much like the media immediately projected essentially generating news for clicks when it was nothing more than jumping to unsubstantiated conclusions. At this point in Rudolph's short career never taking a snap in the NFL yet comparing him to any QB in the league with actual NFL experience is a projection into the wishful thinking category. Potential, can be a fickle thing. I reiterate, Rudolph hasn't done anything in the NFL yet. Landry is further ahead than Rudolph is at this point. Expecting Rudolph to come in and take Landry's job from the gate is also a projection bordering on wishful thinking. Let's wait and see how this scenario unfolds first.


I am not saying that they are going to cut Landry Jones like immediately, that would be stupid. But, I think you will see Rudolph come in and as training camp progresses, as the preseason games start, as we get closer to finalizing the 53 man roster, that there will come a decision and the Steelers will choose Rudolph as the #2 QB.

And if Jones is not the #2 QB then it makes no sense to keep him over Dobbs as the #3. That #3 is inactive, he does not suit up, he barely get any reps in practice. That $1.9 million that we can save by cutting Jones or trading him could very well be money used to sign a late free agent (ILB, OLB) before the season starts.

Also, how many of the other teams that take a QB high in round 1, 2 or 3 would make that QB a #3 QB on the depth chart?

If Lamar Jackson had fallen to round 2 say, and the Steelers had drafted him at 60, would he also be #3 behind Landry Jones? Would Sam Darnold? Would Josh Allen? Just not understanding the love for Landry Jones, hasn't all of his wins come against the Cleveland Browns, two that closed out the season when the Browns were sucking for a top draft pick? That is supposed to be impressive? Really?

I get that Scunge I just believe that there will have to do/be something extraordinary about Rudolph to succeed Landry. Not saying Landry is a super star. Why can't Landry stay on the roster? They kept Batch and Leftwich as Ben's back ups for a season or 2 if memory serves. I say keep the players that give you the best chances of winning. Especially when the injuries build up and your depth has to perform off the bench. Dobbs I think is on the roster bubble. JMO.


I was reading somewhere recently about the value of having Landry on the roster as one of Rudolph's mentors. If Landry is smart, knows the game and likes to teach this could make sense especially with no dedicated QB coach (and I agree with Scunge they really should get one for Rudolph)

I will be surprised if Landry isn't on the roster. But we'll see.


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 Post subject: Re: Differences between Landry Jones and Mason Rudolph...
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They need to hire a qb coach, and put him and Rudolph in a corner for a year and tell him to learn, and work on what you need to work on.
Let Landry be the number 2.


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 Post subject: Re: Differences between Landry Jones and Mason Rudolph...
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And, Scunge... what I meant about comparing Rudolph and Landry is: taken in roughly the same point of the draft, as a value buy QB... yet, we viewed one as a wasted pick, backup at best and the other as the future of the franchise. It's weird to me. I personally think Rudolph is a better prospect but there isn't THAT much difference between their likelihood of working out.

If Rudolph comes out next year instead, where does he get drafted? 1st round? High 2nd?

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And, Scunge... what I meant about comparing Rudolph and Landry is: taken in roughly the same point of the draft, as a value buy QB... yet, we viewed one as a wasted pick, backup at best and the other as the future of the franchise. It's weird to me. I personally think Rudolph is a better prospect but there isn't THAT much difference between their likelihood of working out.

If Rudolph comes out next year instead, where does he get drafted? 1st round? High 2nd?


My guess. Mid to low 1st. Less competition. Nick Fitzgerald ( who i really like) and Drew Lock. i think he is better than Clayton Thorson or Jarrett Stidham.

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And, Scunge... what I meant about comparing Rudolph and Landry is: taken in roughly the same point of the draft, as a value buy QB... yet, we viewed one as a wasted pick, backup at best and the other as the future of the franchise. It's weird to me. I personally think Rudolph is a better prospect but there isn't THAT much difference between their likelihood of working out.

If Rudolph comes out next year instead, where does he get drafted? 1st round? High 2nd?


My guess. Mid to low 1st. Less competition. Nick Fitzgerald ( who i really like) and Drew Lock. i think he is better than Clayton Thorson or Jarrett Stidham.

Easton Stick is going to be the 1st or 2nd QB drafted... and well-deserved. He's arguably better than Wentz.

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Easton Stick is going to be the 1st or 2nd QB drafted... and well-deserved. He's arguably better than Wentz.

Ah the stick that revolutionized hockey. I miss my old t-flex.

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