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 Post subject: A Way To Early Final 53 for 2018
PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 8:33 pm 
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I like the roster the Steelers have put together. A lot of speed, good character guys, and only a couple of holes. In the age of salary caps and high paid QBs, this is a pretty good roster. My picks to make the team:

QB- Ben, Landry and Mason Rudolph

Analysis – Improved from last year, Rudolph is an upgrade over Dobbs and Landry has one more year of experience.

RB- Bell, Connor, Ridley, Samuels and Nix

Analysis – Improved from last year, Samuels will play multiple positions, plus we lose Toussaint. This is a team strength.

TE- McDonald and the Outlaw. Samuels provides the extra receiving TE and Hawkins will act as a blocking TE when we need it.

Analysis – Improved from last year if McDonald can stay healthy. Jesse is a solid second TE and Samuels makes them dangerous in the middle of the field.

WR- AB, JuJu, Washington, Hunter and Marcus Tucker

Analysis – Improved from last year, Washington is going to be great in the red zone and we won’t have DHB to kick around anymore. Tucker is a placeholder here in case we pick up a free agent.

OL- Pouncey, Foster, DeCastro, Gilbert, Villanueva, with BJ, Feller, Hawkins and Chukes in reserve.

Analysis – Slightly down from last year, everyone a year older and free agent loss of Hubbard.

DL- Cam, Tuitt, J Wobble, Alualu, LT and Joshua Frazier

Analysis – Improved from last year if Tuitt and J Wobble are fully healthy.

OLB- Watt, Dupree, Chickillo, a resigned Moats and Keion Adams

Analysis – Improved from last year, Watt has one more year of experience, and I expect Adams to be an upgrade from Moats on special teams. If a salary casualty happens, I can see the Steelers picking up someone here instead of Moats.

ILB - Bostic, Williams, Dirty Red, and LJ Fort

Analysis – Down from last year, it is too hard to replace Ryan. Bostic calling the signals should fix the communication issues that Williams caused.

CB- Haden, Burns, Hilton, Sutton and Allen

Analysis – Improved from last year, Haden has a full year in the system, Sutton is an upgrade over Gay and Burns and Hilton have one more year of experience.

S- Burnett, Davis, Berhe, Edmunds and Marcus Allen

Analysis – Big improvement from last year, we may actually be able to cover down the middle.

Specialists - Boz, Berry and Canaday

Analysis – Same players as last year.

The offense is improved, and it was already great. If the D can close up the middle (and I think they will) This year can be another 13 wins season, and deep in the playoffs.


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 Post subject: Re: A Way To Early Final 53 for 2018
PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:04 pm 
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I am ok with trading Bryant, I do NOT want Eli Rogers back, he could not offer any consistency in the passing game or punt return.

I really think we need another WR, a veteran who knows how to get open and make a catch think 3rd and 6.

Excited for Washington and Samuels but Ben needs a guy who has played in the league and knows how to be a pro he can count on.

We have been lucky that Antonio has played most of his career without a major injury and JuJu seems to have the build to play in the league over the middle.

A little concerned with WR depth after that, Hunter just doesn’t do it for me I don’t think he can make a catch.

Tucker is very unproven, who knows if he can even make the squad.

We need one more proven NFL receiver let these rookies learn the game, don’t expect them to have 800 yards and 6 tds right from the start


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 Post subject: Re: A Way To Early Final 53 for 2018
PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:29 pm 
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I like the roster the Steelers have put together. A lot of speed, good character guys, and only a couple of holes. In the age of salary caps and high paid QBs, this is a pretty good roster. My picks to make the team:

QB- Ben, Landry and Mason Rudolph

Analysis – Improved from last year, Rudolph is an upgrade over Dobbs and Landry has one more year of experience.

RB- Bell, Connor, Ridley, Samuels and Nix

Analysis – Improved from last year, Samuels will play multiple positions, plus we lose Toussaint. This is a team strength.

TE- McDonald and the Outlaw. Samuels provides the extra receiving TE and Hawkins will act as a blocking TE when we need it.

Analysis – Improved from last year if McDonald can stay healthy. Jesse is a solid second TE and Samuels makes them dangerous in the middle of the field.

WR- AB, JuJu, Washington, Hunter and Marcus Tucker

Analysis – Improved from last year, Washington is going to be great in the red zone and we won’t have DHB to kick around anymore. Tucker is a placeholder here in case we pick up a free agent.

OL- Pouncey, Foster, DeCastro, Gilbert, Villanueva, with BJ, Feller, Hawkins and Chukes in reserve.

Analysis – Slightly down from last year, everyone a year older and free agent loss of Hubbard.

DL- Cam, Tuitt, J Wobble, Alualu, LT and Joshua Frazier

Analysis – Improved from last year if Tuitt and J Wobble are fully healthy.

OLB- Watt, Dupree, Chickillo, a resigned Moats and Keion Adams

Analysis – Improved from last year, Watt has one more year of experience, and I expect Adams to be an upgrade from Moats on special teams. If a salary casualty happens, I can see the Steelers picking up someone here instead of Moats.

ILB - Bostic, Williams, Dirty Red, and LJ Fort

Analysis – Down from last year, it is too hard to replace Ryan. Bostic calling the signals should fix the communication issues that Williams caused.

CB- Haden, Burns, Hilton, Sutton and Allen

Analysis – Improved from last year, Haden has a full year in the system, Sutton is an upgrade over Gay and Burns and Hilton have one more year of experience.

S- Burnett, Davis, Berhe, Edmunds and Marcus Allen

Analysis – Big improvement from last year, we may actually be able to cover down the middle.

Specialists - Boz, Berry and Canaday

Analysis – Same players as last year.

The offense is improved, and it was already great. If the D can close up the middle (and I think they will) This year can be another 13 wins season, and deep in the playoffs.




Great post and clearly you have a good beed on this team. Appreciate the time/post.


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 Post subject: Re: A Way To Early Final 53 for 2018
PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:45 am 
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I only count 52?

I just have minor quibbles.

I don't think it is a slam dunk that Rudolph replaces Dobbs. I think that is the wrong way to look at it. Rudolph replaces Landry Jones, I think if he comes in and just really impresses during the preseason the Steelers will ask themselves this, "How is he going to develop as the #3 QB running the scout team this year?" The answer is he won't, he will only be able to truly develop if he is the #2 QB, is getting legitimate snaps during the week as the true backup, is intimately involved in the game plans, etc. That is how he will develop, and if you are going to spend the highest draft pick on a QB since Ben, and if you view him as your future QB, you don't piss away and squander opportunities by hanging on to Jones. Laundry has to go.

I don't see them keeping 5 RBs, Bell, Connor, Samuels and Nix are the 4. Any 5th RB would easily be deactivated each week so why have him on the active roster, he would probably be on the practice squad.

I touched upon this elsewhere but if they really have done their homework, and it looks like they have, they realize that they are only in their base 3-4 25% of the time, play some form of sub package defense 75% of the time and have as many as 6-7 defensive backs on the field some 25% of the time.

The one position group that sees the field the most is the secondary, the corners and safeties. I just don't know how they can justify keeping 9-10 linebackers anymore like they have traditionally with their 3-4 defense.

Maybe they keep just 4 OLBs and 4 ILBs. 8 linebackers.

And then in the secondary they have 6 CBs and 6 safeties. 12 players for the secondary. Now three of those players will be specified hybrid players, Burnett, Edmunds and M. Allen and they will be used and lined up as safeties and as linebackers too. But that changes the dynamic of what we used to expect on defense in terms of numbers for the position groups.

Another benefit of carrying more defensive backs (in particular these safeties) is that the special teams will offer faster, quicker athletes and that could pay huge dividends.

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 Post subject: Re: A Way To Early Final 53 for 2018
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A lot of dirt gets thrown at Laundry on this site, but if you think either A) he's getting cut/traded/released or B) that's in any way a good idea for a team with deep playoff aspirations, then you are smoking some high grade dope. That's not what solidly constructed, contending teams do. That's what the Cleveland Browns will do to get Mayfield more snaps initially.


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 Post subject: Re: A Way To Early Final 53 for 2018
PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:48 am 
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Nice list Jewel.
Yes early, but always a fun thing to do.
My older son did one yesterday.
The Steeler passion is infectious.
Maybe another contest in the horizon - Final 53. Deadline May 15th? May 30th?

Can not see them releasing Landry.
He is not the next Steeler QB to replace Ben long term.
He is already 29. :shock:

But he will make the 53 because..
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Four reasons why.
1. He has shown he can Manage a game or two without Ben.
Yes, he has his short comings.
But he knows the play book.
Cool, calm and collected.
Can run the offense.

2. I believe Ben called him the smartest QB he knew a year or so ago?
Ben does chew on his ear often during games.

3. Rudolph can be your 3. with Landry as the #2.
If Rudolph shows he can beat out Landry as #2....good. But.......

4. Tomlin is more comfortable with familiarity and trust.
I do not recall in Tomlins era
The #2 and #3 QB's with only 1 year of combined NFL experience making the 53.
There has almost always been a QB that has played a good number of actual NFL games on the roster as back-up (s)
Dobbs and Rudolph have never started a game, let alone a pre-season game.

Steelers can not go into a must win SB season with Rudolph and Josh Dobbs as the two back-ups.

I see Bell, Connor, Nix and Ridley all making the final 53.
I see Samuels as a kid that can take several spots of the 53.................as the 5th RB, 4th TE and 6th WR.
Therefore helping depth in other places - OL.

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 Post subject: Re: A Way To Early Final 53 for 2018
PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:27 pm 
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Is this a must win Super Bowl season Stosh?

They spent a 3rd round pick on a developmental OT.

They traded away Martavis Bryant, wouldn't it have been better to keep him as he knows the offense and has experience in the system?

Wouldn't a team thinking that this is a must win Super Bowl season have spent the majority of draft picks on defense? If they really wanted Evans and wanted to replace Shazier why didn't they just package their 1st and 2nd to move up?

Yes, I think the Steelers have the goal of winning a Super Bowl every year but they don't sell out and completely ignore the future either as their actions of this past week clearly showed.

I was listening to Dale Lolley and Matt Williamson talk of how they thought Landry Jones could lead this team to a 9-7 record if Ben went down and was out for the year. They figured Ben was good for only 3 extra wins. That is just lunacy.

I get that people have their own views on this matter but when you make a decision to draft a QB like Rudolph so high, he is going to be fast tracked and be given every opportunity to grab that #2 job.

When I saw interviews with Rudolph after the draft, man does he look mighty pissed and has a big chip on his shoulder. He felt he was every bit as good as those 5 QBs taken in round 1 and I don't think Landry Jones has a chance in hell of keeping that #2 job.

Whether you like the pick or not, the Steelers love Mason and with Ben's advanced age they are not going to piss around with his development. As the #3 QB Mason would not dress for any games, he would be in sweats along the sidelines. He wouldn't even get any meaningful snaps in practice during the season, as Ben would get his, Jones as the #2 would get what the backup needs and then Mason would be used on the scout team. That does no good for Mason to develop.

To add fuel to that particular problem, we currently have no QB coach on the roster, they have Fitchner now as the OC and also as the QB coach. The only way that he is going to have any time to coach Mason is if Rudolph is the #2 QB. They really need to bring in a new QB coach to take that off of Fitchner's plate or at least to give him some help.

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 Post subject: Re: A Way To Early Final 53 for 2018
PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:37 pm 
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Scunge wrote:
I only count 52?

I just have minor quibbles.

I don't think it is a slam dunk that Rudolph replaces Dobbs. I think that is the wrong way to look at it. Rudolph replaces Landry Jones, I think if he comes in and just really impresses during the preseason the Steelers will ask themselves this, "How is he going to develop as the #3 QB running the scout team this year?" The answer is he won't, he will only be able to truly develop if he is the #2 QB, is getting legitimate snaps during the week as the true backup, is intimately involved in the game plans, etc. That is how he will develop, and if you are going to spend the highest draft pick on a QB since Ben, and if you view him as your future QB, you don't piss away and squander opportunities by hanging on to Jones. Laundry has to go.


I think this is pretty easy actually.

If Ben goes down, who, at this point in time, is Mike Tomlin going to trust to run the team?

It ain't going to be a first year Mason Rudolph.

I sure as fuck ain't gonna be a second year Josh Dobbs.

It most certainly WILL BE a veteran Landry Jones.

Next year, Rudolph should be ready to challenge him. That ain't going to happen this year (barring a miracle).

Dobbs better get his resume ready.

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 Post subject: Re: A Way To Early Final 53 for 2018
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Ice wrote:
A lot of dirt gets thrown at Laundry on this site, but if you think either A) he's getting cut/traded/released or B) that's in any way a good idea for a team with deep playoff aspirations, then you are smoking some high grade dope. That's not what solidly constructed, contending teams do. That's what the Cleveland Browns will do to get Mayfield more snaps initially.
I endorse this message.

It would be imprudent and stupid to release Jones over Dobbs. BR goes down and you want either a rookie or a 2nd year player that can't hit the broad side of a barn in a close game? Neither of which have seen actual NFL game action. Rudolph will take his first season to get accustomed to the NFL, and I'm guessing him and dobbs will be splitting most of the preseason game snaps.

Next year is another story.

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KC, when you think about it, this is Tomlin's first QB, first realistic top prospect that he has drafted and one that he has his stamp of approval on.

Don't bring up Dobbs last season, I think they knew he was a backup, developmental prospect.

With Mason, it is like when Cowher had inherited Neil O'Donnell but then drafted Kordell Stewart and you could see that there was this connection, it was his first top QB prospect and he was totally supportive and 'all in'. Remember how Cowher kissed Stewart during a game? Did you see how Tomlin looked at Rudolph during his Pro Day workout? It looked like he wanted to have sex with him right then and there! :lol: Tomlin has that same type of vibe for Mason that Cowher had for Kordell.

If Ben does go down they sure as hell are not going to go with Landry Jones. They would put Mason out there and let him learn on the job just like other teams do every year. It would be like Dak Prescott all over again. Mason would be in an ideal situation, surrounded by top talent.

Honestly I don't understand the love for Jones. And the idea that he could go 9-7 as a starter? Lolley and Williamson must have been high. Jones would be exposed if he had to start for any length of time. What good is understanding the offense if you limit the offense with your lack of talent?

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Scunge wrote:
KC, when you think about it, this is Tomlin's first QB, first realistic top prospect that he has drafted and one that he has his stamp of approval on.

Don't bring up Dobbs last season, I think they knew he was a backup, developmental prospect.

With Mason, it is like when Cowher had inherited Neil O'Donnell but then drafted Kordell Stewart and you could see that there was this connection, it was his first top QB prospect and he was totally supportive and 'all in'. Remember how Cowher kissed Stewart during a game? Did you see how Tomlin looked at Rudolph during his Pro Day workout? It looked like he wanted to have sex with him right then and there! :lol: Tomlin has that same type of vibe for Mason that Cowher had for Kordell.

If Ben does go down they sure as hell are not going to go with Landry Jones. They would put Mason out there and let him learn on the job just like other teams do every year. It would be like Dak Prescott all over again. Mason would be in an ideal situation, surrounded by top talent.

Honestly I don't understand the love for Jones. And the idea that he could go 9-7 as a starter? Lolley and Williamson must have been high. Jones would be exposed if he had to start for any length of time. What good is understanding the offense if you limit the offense with your lack of talent?

Not to mention having Washington out there (being covered by, at best, a CB3, but probably CB4) as his security blanket. I think Rudolph is smart enough to develop very quickly, from a mental standpoint.


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Honestly I don't understand the love for Jones.
I personally never said he was starter material. He't got issues. But I do know that BR was a generational talent, and guys like prescott don't grow on trees. Landry is a back up. He knows that, the team knows that, and so do most fans.

If rudolph is supposed to learn on the job while BR recovers for a few games, then that seriously compromises the chance to win the SB. In BR's last years. Everybody wants to take advantage of the window, but you'd throw a rookie into a game against the Ravens or Patriots in the last quarter of the season? I'm thinking the chances to win a game with Jones vs Rudolph are considerably higher. Put him in games that are already decided by the fourth quarter. And if you know the steelers, that doesn't happen very often.

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It's not love for Laundry. It's the way a contending team does business.

I'd add, in response to one of the earlier novellas, that I'm pretty sure the Steelers see themselves as a contending team. Just because they weren't willing to sacrifice draft capital to go get a broken, fundamentally flawed ILB prospect doesn't prove otherwise. Neither does getting more than you paid for in trade for Martavis Bryant. He whined, complained and underachieving in his "comeback" year last season and I'll bet real money Washington beats out his performance from last year.


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Scunge wrote:
KC, when you think about it, this is Tomlin's first QB, first realistic top prospect that he has drafted and one that he has his stamp of approval on.

Don't bring up Dobbs last season, I think they knew he was a backup, developmental prospect.

With Mason, it is like when Cowher had inherited Neil O'Donnell but then drafted Kordell Stewart and you could see that there was this connection, it was his first top QB prospect and he was totally supportive and 'all in'. Remember how Cowher kissed Stewart during a game? Did you see how Tomlin looked at Rudolph during his Pro Day workout? It looked like he wanted to have sex with him right then and there! :lol: Tomlin has that same type of vibe for Mason that Cowher had for Kordell.

If Ben does go down they sure as hell are not going to go with Landry Jones. They would put Mason out there and let him learn on the job just like other teams do every year. It would be like Dak Prescott all over again. Mason would be in an ideal situation, surrounded by top talent.

Honestly I don't understand the love for Jones. And the idea that he could go 9-7 as a starter? Lolley and Williamson must have been high. Jones would be exposed if he had to start for any length of time. What good is understanding the offense if you limit the offense with your lack of talent?

Not to mention having Washington out there (being covered by, at best, a CB3, but probably CB4) as his security blanket. I think Rudolph is smart enough to develop very quickly, from a mental standpoint.


Nobody but nobody hates Jones more than I do. I got into it with IC on the freaking day Laundry was drafted.

I predict he'll be Ben's back up, a team with a VERY SHORT championship window left, for one very simple reason: experience.

Choosing between Landry Jones and Mason Rudolph at this juncture of their careers (and let me reiterate, I NEARLY CAME when the drafted Rudolph. LOVE THE KID) could mean the difference between 11-5 and 9-7. Rudolph isn't anywhere near going to be NFL game ready this season. At least NOWHERE NEAR as game ready as Ben's chief back up (for numerous years) has been.

To me, the ONLY WAY they part with Landry via trade or cut this year, is if Dobbs comes into camp and REALLY shines. Dobbs would have to take a major leap forward for the Steelers to even consider jettisoning Laundry.

Just won't happen. The Steelers value experience far too much at the QB position.

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Honestly I don't understand the love for Jones.
I personally never said he was starter material. He't got issues. But I do know that BR was a generational talent, and guys like prescott don't grow on trees. Landry is a back up. He knows that, the team knows that, and so do most fans.

If rudolph is supposed to learn on the job while BR recovers for a few games, then that seriously compromises the chance to win the SB. In BR's last years. Everybody wants to take advantage of the window, but you'd throw a rookie into a game against the Ravens or Patriots in the last quarter of the season? I'm thinking the chances to win a game with Jones vs Rudolph are considerably higher. Put him in games that are already decided by the fourth quarter. And if you know the steelers, that doesn't happen very often.


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A. Why do people think Mason Rudolph is the future of the franchise and the first real QB Tomlin has drafted but Landry Jones isn't/wasn't? They're pretty similar level QBs, with Rudolph being a bit more capable of standing under pressure and Landry throwing a prettier ball. Rudolph's midpoint to me is Andy Dalton. How many games fewer would Andy Dalton win vs Ben Roethlisberger with the same cast?

B. Eli Rogers is making this team

C. I think Matthew Thomas makes it over Fort, and he might even win the backup job at the Mack... to the extent that there is such a position for the Steelers in 2018.

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Another possibility is jones moves to #3. Perma backup. There are worse ways to have a 15 year nfl career.

Any rate it’s almost eerie how they got the tandem of Rudolph AND Washington. I mean how can one not ponder that’s the next chapter of stillers football.

What will be weird is if Ben does decide to have favre moment and not go gracefully.

I’m glad because I’ve thought for past 2 years at least that they have to start thinking next QB. Simply irresponsible to not.


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bradshaw2ben wrote:
A. Why do people think Mason Rudolph is the future of the franchise and the first real QB Tomlin has drafted but Landry Jones isn't/wasn't? They're pretty similar level QBs, with Rudolph being a bit more capable of standing under pressure and Landry throwing a prettier ball. Rudolph's midpoint to me is Andy Dalton. How many games fewer would Andy Dalton win vs Ben Roethlisberger with the same cast?

B. Eli Rogers is making this team

C. I think Matthew Thomas makes it over Fort, and he might even win the backup job at the Mack... to the extent that there is such a position for the Steelers in 2018.



“B. Eli Rogers is making this team”

I wrote about the WR depth in another post, very comcerned after AB and JuJu.

After those two we have next to nothing in experience at the NFL level, including at TE.

If one of those guys goes down Ben is handcuffed, the offense is severely limited.

Eli Rogers CANNOT make this 53, I believe this is a bigger liability than ILB now after the draft, they have to find a veteran WR that can contribute, they already have the home run hitters.


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I could care less if Eli Rogers comes back and I am not so sure him coming back would equate to anything in terms of playing time.

I just find it interesting that as the talent level around him got better, Rogers found himself standing on the sidelines watching.

Vance McDonald, JuJu, now this year we have James Washington and Jaylin Samuels. It sort of reminds me how in 2014 we signed WR Lance Moore, that veteran slot WR and he had all of 14 catches that year as he watched Brown, Wheaton, Bryant, Bell and Miller.

That 4th WR, veteran slot WR may not be that much of a critical position as some might think. Besides JuJu, they need to get McDonald and Samuels involved more in that short-intermediate passing game not Eli Rogers. They can be difference makers, Rogers is just going to be meh.

As far as Mason being the #2, we will have to agree to disagree. I was not crazy about drafting him in round 1 or 2, but am thrilled to get him in round 3. We will have to see how things play out.

One thing I will talk about it is how pissed I get and I imagine how pissed the players must get when the words, 'championship window' are tossed about. Piss on that you negative, defeatist m-fers!!! No offense! ;)

Why did Stepon Tuitt sign his new contract? Why would Bell want to sign a new long term contract? Why would anybody want to stay with the Steelers knowing that the team will immediately turn to shit, turn into a pumpkin once Big Ben retires in a year, 2 years, 3 years? Why?

I loved this draft because this was the Pittsburgh Steelers, Mike Tomlin the head coach, Kevin Colbert the GM putting their collective foot down and saying 'championship window closing?' Really? That might be true for Ben, but we are in this for the long haul, the next window might open the first year without Ben.

The 2019 draft, the 2020 draft may bring even more players to where all we need is a QB who can play within himself and distribute the ball to the playmakers. How did Philly do it with Nick Foles?

So, yeah, I can't stand that mentality that our 'tight championship window is closing' bullshit. It is lazy and not really accurate because you just don't know.

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Is this a must win Super Bowl season Stosh?

They spent a 3rd round pick on a developmental OT.

They traded away Martavis Bryant, wouldn't it have been better to keep him as he knows the offense and has experience in the system?

Wouldn't a team thinking that this is a must win Super Bowl season have spent the majority of draft picks on defense? If they really wanted Evans and wanted to replace Shazier why didn't they just package their 1st and 2nd to move up?

Yes, I think the Steelers have the goal of winning a Super Bowl every year but they don't sell out and completely ignore the future either as their actions of this past week clearly showed.

I was listening to Dale Lolley and Matt Williamson talk of how they thought Landry Jones could lead this team to a 9-7 record if Ben went down and was out for the year. They figured Ben was good for only 3 extra wins. That is just lunacy.

I get that people have their own views on this matter but when you make a decision to draft a QB like Rudolph so high, he is going to be fast tracked and be given every opportunity to grab that #2 job.

When I saw interviews with Rudolph after the draft, man does he look mighty pissed and has a big chip on his shoulder. He felt he was every bit as good as those 5 QBs taken in round 1 and I don't think Landry Jones has a chance in hell of keeping that #2 job.

Whether you like the pick or not, the Steelers love Mason and with Ben's advanced age they are not going to piss around with his development. As the #3 QB Mason would not dress for any games, he would be in sweats along the sidelines. He wouldn't even get any meaningful snaps in practice during the season, as Ben would get his, Jones as the #2 would get what the backup needs and then Mason would be used on the scout team. That does no good for Mason to develop.

To add fuel to that particular problem, we currently have no QB coach on the roster, they have Fitchner now as the OC and also as the QB coach. The only way that he is going to have any time to coach Mason is if Rudolph is the #2 QB. They really need to bring in a new QB coach to take that off of Fitchner's plate or at least to give him some help.


Yes.
Its a must win SB. season.
We have a franchise QB.
Protected by a top 5 OL., who have more continuity of playing as a unit than any other OL unedr Ben.
Best WR in football, another HOF player.
A very good tuff, football player #2 WR.
A top 5 RB.
A TE ( McD ) that can strech the field and will probably have a big year with Ben and a full camp.
A workmanlike #2 TE, who is still only 23.
one of better FB in football in Nix,
Top 5 kicker.

Alot of very good defensive players, Cam, Tuit, Haden, Watt, Hilton,
With a solid supporting cast in Burnett, Davis, Williams, Bostic, Dupree, Burns
Nice depth and rotation with Alaulu, Walton, Sutton and potentially B. Allen

We needed to add defensive players to the mix.
We added the big Safety. I thought there were better options on the board. But sometimes we draft with blinders and have the pick made before the draft unfolds. They loved this kid for a long time.

Harold Landry would look good rushing the passer on third and longs along side Cam and Tuit and a 4th rusher.
That is the 4-3 pass rusher you talk about often.

I think we needed to add three pieces to the defense.
Pass rusher.
Inside LB
Safety.

Can't argue with Washington in the second round. I think he steps right in and contributes.
50 catches - 700 yards 6-7 TDs

Mason Rudolph, ehh.
Ok, I see the value of the pick in the 3rd round.
We had another third rounder coming up.

That is where I was yelling for adding an ILB or DT.
Harrison Phillips was who I wanted there.
Dorian O'Daniel - LB was still on the board, as was Josey Jewell - LB.

I think Munchak has done a great job with the OL and has had all his back-ups ready to play. Probably will come back with an improved Hawkins and Feiler as swing tackles.

its now been a decade since we won a SB. with a Franchise QB.
9 full seasons have passed since we won a SB.
3 of those seasons we watched the playoffs from the couch.
3 more of those seasons we were one and done, lost to teams we should have beat.
another season in which we needed a miracle fumble to get past another inferiro team ( bengals last minute fumble trying to run out clock )

5-6 in the last 9 seasons.

So yes, a team with a collection of a handful of HOF players surrounded by pretty good talent needs to win the SB in 2018.

yes.
Im a spoiled fan, when you look at 31 other teams that would love to been part of the last 9 years.

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 Post subject: Re: A Way To Early Final 53 for 2018
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2018 10:30 am 
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And stop wasting draft picks.

For a team that should be in contention for a SB.
The 3rd and 4th round should be looked at as players to fill in the final missing pieces, potential starters.
Players that have a chance to come to camp, open eyes and possibly get some play time in a rotation of package.
With the best case scenerio, they can step in and fill in for an injured starter.

Last half a decade has seen a good number of picks that were made with better players avaiable or picks made due to reasons that trumped the actual ability of the player and or filling a position of need.
2018
Okorafor ( See Harrison Phillips - DT or one of the LB's )
Marcus Allen ( with Davis, Burnett, Edmunds alreay in the cupboard at S at this point.....thought they would finally go Dline or LB - Genard Avery, LB Memphis, Andrew Brown DT Virginia, Okoronwko - Edge Okl. were a few I had targeted there ) But we had Allen into the facility and he went to school in state, hence familiarity and locality trumps talent / need.
2017
Connor ( good local story, Pitt , could have drafted him later round(s) - story, familiarity / locality trumps talent / need ) He knew the building, did'nt he.
On that note. I root like a MF for this kid. Thought he should have had more carries last year. But we are a one back system ( Fichners #1 goal is to end Tomlins mantra of a one back system and get Connor and Samuel tocuhes )
Dobbs ( Draft a QB if you think he has the potential to be your next franchise QB, not a project in the 4th )
Holba ( do not draft long snapper )
2016
Burns was a surprise, especially after 4 CBs came off the board. I have hope for a rebound year under better coachings.
Same for Davis. I think Bradley will redirect this kid.
I have the same hope for Hargrave, better health and better coaching.
I have hope for Hawkins as well. Another camp under Munch. Played a good number of snaps as year went on as 6th OL. Those are game reps.

2012-2015
A 4 year run with their infactuation with small players in early to mid rounds.

2015 - Senquez - 5'-9" - 176 - RND 2 ( WTF was immediate pick reaction, but soothed knowing he was at least 1" taller and three pounds heavier than last years mighty mite )
2014 - Archer - 5'-8" 173 - RND 3 ( WTF was immediate pick reaction ) After drafting defense first 2 rounds, ( Shaz and Tuit ) a part time, never potential starter is the best avaible offensive weapon to add to the team)
2013 - Shamarko Thomas - 5'-9" - 213. 4th RND - ( Traded down to get him, WTF, why the short player was my immediate reaction ) But at least he looked like he was an amazing athlete, 40" vertical would make up for it.)
2012 - Chris Rainey - 5th RND - 5'-8" - 190 ( Super scout Mo Poncey vouched for this kid - Again, trumps talent or need ).

I was pleasantly surprised with the 2016 draft, which had a trajectory to actually find that 5'-9" dynamo that all the other teams could not see the jem they were passing on. - They finally woke up.
Took them 5 years to realize they needed to start drafting bigger and longer DB's..........( Burns, Davis, Sutton B. Allen, Edmunds, M. Allen. )

That being said.
As always, I go into a new year thinking and hoping the draft picks will be great picks.


That Edmunds could and should get alot of play time in nickel and dime packages.
And that maybe he is the answer to shutting down the TE threats, Gronk, Kelce

That Washington will be the more complete all around talent that trumps the more one dimensional players like Bryant, Coates, Wallace.
And he is more of the AB, JuJu - football type of player.

That Rudolph will be that potentail Franchise QB of the future and the Big 12 stat collector that can translate into NFL success.

That Munchak can mold Okorafor into a RT ready to step in for Gilbert in 2019, with potential to replace a soon to be 30 year old Villy in 2022/23?

That Marcus Allen adds to the mix of players that the Steelers envision of a cast of smaller, faster physical players to rotate in packages.

That Samuels will be that secret weapon, multi position, productive weapon that the Steelers could really use and gives them roster flexibility.

That Frazier and Big Dan do not bite anyones arm off during OTA breakdast buffets and after practice dinners and keep the position battle to the practice field.

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 Post subject: Re: A Way To Early Final 53 for 2018
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2018 10:50 am 
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
A. Why do people think Mason Rudolph is the future of the franchise and the first real QB Tomlin has drafted but Landry Jones isn't/wasn't? They're pretty similar level QBs, with Rudolph being a bit more capable of standing under pressure and Landry throwing a prettier ball. Rudolph's midpoint to me is Andy Dalton. How many games fewer would Andy Dalton win vs Ben Roethlisberger with the same cast?

B. Eli Rogers is making this team

C. I think Matthew Thomas makes it over Fort, and he might even win the backup job at the Mack... to the extent that there is such a position for the Steelers in 2018.


Rudolph is new and shiny so he must be better.
I agree with B and C.

Okorafor is so raw I will not be surprised if he is on the PS at the beginning of the season.
Marcus Allen is either a backup ILB or a total waste of a pick. I think he could easily not be on the team or PS.

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 Post subject: Re: A Way To Early Final 53 for 2018
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Would be great if Matthew Thomas can take that 4th ILB position.

I believe Marcus Allen could also get playing time in that spot, remember the Steelers started drafting these players when they took Travis Feeney from UW a few years back, the Saints snagged him off PS though.

We need a WR bad, in my opinion we only have 2 proven and Washington is a rookie.


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 Post subject: Re: A Way To Early Final 53 for 2018
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I guess Hunter isn't a real WR? I thought in spot duty last season Hunter showed up and made some plays. With more reps this season he can become more of a producer. Remember the WR room was pretty packed tight last season. Also remember McDonald and Outlaw likely were taking reps/snaps from Hunter too. There's really not a lot FA WR's. Might end up bringing Rogers back. Perhaps Michael Floyd?

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Shazier placed on Reserve/PUP list http://www.steelers.com/news/transactio ... 0207c895fe
So, although he will be paid his salary Shaz won't count against the 53 then right?


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