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 Post subject: A Way To Early Final 53 for 2018
PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 8:33 pm 
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I like the roster the Steelers have put together. A lot of speed, good character guys, and only a couple of holes. In the age of salary caps and high paid QBs, this is a pretty good roster. My picks to make the team:

QB- Ben, Landry and Mason Rudolph

Analysis – Improved from last year, Rudolph is an upgrade over Dobbs and Landry has one more year of experience.

RB- Bell, Connor, Ridley, Samuels and Nix

Analysis – Improved from last year, Samuels will play multiple positions, plus we lose Toussaint. This is a team strength.

TE- McDonald and the Outlaw. Samuels provides the extra receiving TE and Hawkins will act as a blocking TE when we need it.

Analysis – Improved from last year if McDonald can stay healthy. Jesse is a solid second TE and Samuels makes them dangerous in the middle of the field.

WR- AB, JuJu, Washington, Hunter and Marcus Tucker

Analysis – Improved from last year, Washington is going to be great in the red zone and we won’t have DHB to kick around anymore. Tucker is a placeholder here in case we pick up a free agent.

OL- Pouncey, Foster, DeCastro, Gilbert, Villanueva, with BJ, Feller, Hawkins and Chukes in reserve.

Analysis – Slightly down from last year, everyone a year older and free agent loss of Hubbard.

DL- Cam, Tuitt, J Wobble, Alualu, LT and Joshua Frazier

Analysis – Improved from last year if Tuitt and J Wobble are fully healthy.

OLB- Watt, Dupree, Chickillo, a resigned Moats and Keion Adams

Analysis – Improved from last year, Watt has one more year of experience, and I expect Adams to be an upgrade from Moats on special teams. If a salary casualty happens, I can see the Steelers picking up someone here instead of Moats.

ILB - Bostic, Williams, Dirty Red, and LJ Fort

Analysis – Down from last year, it is too hard to replace Ryan. Bostic calling the signals should fix the communication issues that Williams caused.

CB- Haden, Burns, Hilton, Sutton and Allen

Analysis – Improved from last year, Haden has a full year in the system, Sutton is an upgrade over Gay and Burns and Hilton have one more year of experience.

S- Burnett, Davis, Berhe, Edmunds and Marcus Allen

Analysis – Big improvement from last year, we may actually be able to cover down the middle.

Specialists - Boz, Berry and Canaday

Analysis – Same players as last year.

The offense is improved, and it was already great. If the D can close up the middle (and I think they will) This year can be another 13 wins season, and deep in the playoffs.


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 Post subject: Re: A Way To Early Final 53 for 2018
PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:04 pm 
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I am ok with trading Bryant, I do NOT want Eli Rogers back, he could not offer any consistency in the passing game or punt return.

I really think we need another WR, a veteran who knows how to get open and make a catch think 3rd and 6.

Excited for Washington and Samuels but Ben needs a guy who has played in the league and knows how to be a pro he can count on.

We have been lucky that Antonio has played most of his career without a major injury and JuJu seems to have the build to play in the league over the middle.

A little concerned with WR depth after that, Hunter just doesn’t do it for me I don’t think he can make a catch.

Tucker is very unproven, who knows if he can even make the squad.

We need one more proven NFL receiver let these rookies learn the game, don’t expect them to have 800 yards and 6 tds right from the start

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 Post subject: Re: A Way To Early Final 53 for 2018
PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:29 pm 
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jewelsongs wrote:
I like the roster the Steelers have put together. A lot of speed, good character guys, and only a couple of holes. In the age of salary caps and high paid QBs, this is a pretty good roster. My picks to make the team:

QB- Ben, Landry and Mason Rudolph

Analysis – Improved from last year, Rudolph is an upgrade over Dobbs and Landry has one more year of experience.

RB- Bell, Connor, Ridley, Samuels and Nix

Analysis – Improved from last year, Samuels will play multiple positions, plus we lose Toussaint. This is a team strength.

TE- McDonald and the Outlaw. Samuels provides the extra receiving TE and Hawkins will act as a blocking TE when we need it.

Analysis – Improved from last year if McDonald can stay healthy. Jesse is a solid second TE and Samuels makes them dangerous in the middle of the field.

WR- AB, JuJu, Washington, Hunter and Marcus Tucker

Analysis – Improved from last year, Washington is going to be great in the red zone and we won’t have DHB to kick around anymore. Tucker is a placeholder here in case we pick up a free agent.

OL- Pouncey, Foster, DeCastro, Gilbert, Villanueva, with BJ, Feller, Hawkins and Chukes in reserve.

Analysis – Slightly down from last year, everyone a year older and free agent loss of Hubbard.

DL- Cam, Tuitt, J Wobble, Alualu, LT and Joshua Frazier

Analysis – Improved from last year if Tuitt and J Wobble are fully healthy.

OLB- Watt, Dupree, Chickillo, a resigned Moats and Keion Adams

Analysis – Improved from last year, Watt has one more year of experience, and I expect Adams to be an upgrade from Moats on special teams. If a salary casualty happens, I can see the Steelers picking up someone here instead of Moats.

ILB - Bostic, Williams, Dirty Red, and LJ Fort

Analysis – Down from last year, it is too hard to replace Ryan. Bostic calling the signals should fix the communication issues that Williams caused.

CB- Haden, Burns, Hilton, Sutton and Allen

Analysis – Improved from last year, Haden has a full year in the system, Sutton is an upgrade over Gay and Burns and Hilton have one more year of experience.

S- Burnett, Davis, Berhe, Edmunds and Marcus Allen

Analysis – Big improvement from last year, we may actually be able to cover down the middle.

Specialists - Boz, Berry and Canaday

Analysis – Same players as last year.

The offense is improved, and it was already great. If the D can close up the middle (and I think they will) This year can be another 13 wins season, and deep in the playoffs.




Great post and clearly you have a good beed on this team. Appreciate the time/post.


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 Post subject: Re: A Way To Early Final 53 for 2018
PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:45 am 
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I only count 52?

I just have minor quibbles.

I don't think it is a slam dunk that Rudolph replaces Dobbs. I think that is the wrong way to look at it. Rudolph replaces Landry Jones, I think if he comes in and just really impresses during the preseason the Steelers will ask themselves this, "How is he going to develop as the #3 QB running the scout team this year?" The answer is he won't, he will only be able to truly develop if he is the #2 QB, is getting legitimate snaps during the week as the true backup, is intimately involved in the game plans, etc. That is how he will develop, and if you are going to spend the highest draft pick on a QB since Ben, and if you view him as your future QB, you don't piss away and squander opportunities by hanging on to Jones. Laundry has to go.

I don't see them keeping 5 RBs, Bell, Connor, Samuels and Nix are the 4. Any 5th RB would easily be deactivated each week so why have him on the active roster, he would probably be on the practice squad.

I touched upon this elsewhere but if they really have done their homework, and it looks like they have, they realize that they are only in their base 3-4 25% of the time, play some form of sub package defense 75% of the time and have as many as 6-7 defensive backs on the field some 25% of the time.

The one position group that sees the field the most is the secondary, the corners and safeties. I just don't know how they can justify keeping 9-10 linebackers anymore like they have traditionally with their 3-4 defense.

Maybe they keep just 4 OLBs and 4 ILBs. 8 linebackers.

And then in the secondary they have 6 CBs and 6 safeties. 12 players for the secondary. Now three of those players will be specified hybrid players, Burnett, Edmunds and M. Allen and they will be used and lined up as safeties and as linebackers too. But that changes the dynamic of what we used to expect on defense in terms of numbers for the position groups.

Another benefit of carrying more defensive backs (in particular these safeties) is that the special teams will offer faster, quicker athletes and that could pay huge dividends.

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 Post subject: Re: A Way To Early Final 53 for 2018
PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:29 am 
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A lot of dirt gets thrown at Laundry on this site, but if you think either A) he's getting cut/traded/released or B) that's in any way a good idea for a team with deep playoff aspirations, then you are smoking some high grade dope. That's not what solidly constructed, contending teams do. That's what the Cleveland Browns will do to get Mayfield more snaps initially.


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 Post subject: Re: A Way To Early Final 53 for 2018
PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:48 am 
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Nice list Jewel.
Yes early, but always a fun thing to do.
My older son did one yesterday.
The Steeler passion is infectious.
Maybe another contest in the horizon - Final 53. Deadline May 15th? May 30th?

Can not see them releasing Landry.
He is not the next Steeler QB to replace Ben long term.
He is already 29. :shock:

But he will make the 53 because..
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Four reasons why.
1. He has shown he can Manage a game or two without Ben.
Yes, he has his short comings.
But he knows the play book.
Cool, calm and collected.
Can run the offense.

2. I believe Ben called him the smartest QB he knew a year or so ago?
Ben does chew on his ear often during games.

3. Rudolph can be your 3. with Landry as the #2.
If Rudolph shows he can beat out Landry as #2....good. But.......

4. Tomlin is more comfortable with familiarity and trust.
I do not recall in Tomlins era
The #2 and #3 QB's with only 1 year of combined NFL experience making the 53.
There has almost always been a QB that has played a good number of actual NFL games on the roster as back-up (s)
Dobbs and Rudolph have never started a game, let alone a pre-season game.

Steelers can not go into a must win SB season with Rudolph and Josh Dobbs as the two back-ups.

I see Bell, Connor, Nix and Ridley all making the final 53.
I see Samuels as a kid that can take several spots of the 53.................as the 5th RB, 4th TE and 6th WR.
Therefore helping depth in other places - OL.

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 Post subject: Re: A Way To Early Final 53 for 2018
PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:27 pm 
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Is this a must win Super Bowl season Stosh?

They spent a 3rd round pick on a developmental OT.

They traded away Martavis Bryant, wouldn't it have been better to keep him as he knows the offense and has experience in the system?

Wouldn't a team thinking that this is a must win Super Bowl season have spent the majority of draft picks on defense? If they really wanted Evans and wanted to replace Shazier why didn't they just package their 1st and 2nd to move up?

Yes, I think the Steelers have the goal of winning a Super Bowl every year but they don't sell out and completely ignore the future either as their actions of this past week clearly showed.

I was listening to Dale Lolley and Matt Williamson talk of how they thought Landry Jones could lead this team to a 9-7 record if Ben went down and was out for the year. They figured Ben was good for only 3 extra wins. That is just lunacy.

I get that people have their own views on this matter but when you make a decision to draft a QB like Rudolph so high, he is going to be fast tracked and be given every opportunity to grab that #2 job.

When I saw interviews with Rudolph after the draft, man does he look mighty pissed and has a big chip on his shoulder. He felt he was every bit as good as those 5 QBs taken in round 1 and I don't think Landry Jones has a chance in hell of keeping that #2 job.

Whether you like the pick or not, the Steelers love Mason and with Ben's advanced age they are not going to piss around with his development. As the #3 QB Mason would not dress for any games, he would be in sweats along the sidelines. He wouldn't even get any meaningful snaps in practice during the season, as Ben would get his, Jones as the #2 would get what the backup needs and then Mason would be used on the scout team. That does no good for Mason to develop.

To add fuel to that particular problem, we currently have no QB coach on the roster, they have Fitchner now as the OC and also as the QB coach. The only way that he is going to have any time to coach Mason is if Rudolph is the #2 QB. They really need to bring in a new QB coach to take that off of Fitchner's plate or at least to give him some help.

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 Post subject: Re: A Way To Early Final 53 for 2018
PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:37 pm 
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Scunge wrote:
I only count 52?

I just have minor quibbles.

I don't think it is a slam dunk that Rudolph replaces Dobbs. I think that is the wrong way to look at it. Rudolph replaces Landry Jones, I think if he comes in and just really impresses during the preseason the Steelers will ask themselves this, "How is he going to develop as the #3 QB running the scout team this year?" The answer is he won't, he will only be able to truly develop if he is the #2 QB, is getting legitimate snaps during the week as the true backup, is intimately involved in the game plans, etc. That is how he will develop, and if you are going to spend the highest draft pick on a QB since Ben, and if you view him as your future QB, you don't piss away and squander opportunities by hanging on to Jones. Laundry has to go.


I think this is pretty easy actually.

If Ben goes down, who, at this point in time, is Mike Tomlin going to trust to run the team?

It ain't going to be a first year Mason Rudolph.

I sure as fuck ain't gonna be a second year Josh Dobbs.

It most certainly WILL BE a veteran Landry Jones.

Next year, Rudolph should be ready to challenge him. That ain't going to happen this year (barring a miracle).

Dobbs better get his resume ready.

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 Post subject: Re: A Way To Early Final 53 for 2018
PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:11 pm 
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Ice wrote:
A lot of dirt gets thrown at Laundry on this site, but if you think either A) he's getting cut/traded/released or B) that's in any way a good idea for a team with deep playoff aspirations, then you are smoking some high grade dope. That's not what solidly constructed, contending teams do. That's what the Cleveland Browns will do to get Mayfield more snaps initially.
I endorse this message.

It would be imprudent and stupid to release Jones over Dobbs. BR goes down and you want either a rookie or a 2nd year player that can't hit the broad side of a barn in a close game? Neither of which have seen actual NFL game action. Rudolph will take his first season to get accustomed to the NFL, and I'm guessing him and dobbs will be splitting most of the preseason game snaps.

Next year is another story.

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 Post subject: Re: A Way To Early Final 53 for 2018
PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:17 pm 
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KC, when you think about it, this is Tomlin's first QB, first realistic top prospect that he has drafted and one that he has his stamp of approval on.

Don't bring up Dobbs last season, I think they knew he was a backup, developmental prospect.

With Mason, it is like when Cowher had inherited Neil O'Donnell but then drafted Kordell Stewart and you could see that there was this connection, it was his first top QB prospect and he was totally supportive and 'all in'. Remember how Cowher kissed Stewart during a game? Did you see how Tomlin looked at Rudolph during his Pro Day workout? It looked like he wanted to have sex with him right then and there! :lol: Tomlin has that same type of vibe for Mason that Cowher had for Kordell.

If Ben does go down they sure as hell are not going to go with Landry Jones. They would put Mason out there and let him learn on the job just like other teams do every year. It would be like Dak Prescott all over again. Mason would be in an ideal situation, surrounded by top talent.

Honestly I don't understand the love for Jones. And the idea that he could go 9-7 as a starter? Lolley and Williamson must have been high. Jones would be exposed if he had to start for any length of time. What good is understanding the offense if you limit the offense with your lack of talent?

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