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Unless someone starts another Cowher To The Chiefs thread & wants to feature Stormy, can we please not include the main characters featured all the time on CNN & Fox.


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 Post subject: Re: Guice case
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I think Evans might be there for the steelers, But i think if their guys are off the board they can go WR or OLB.I wont also be shocked to see Jones from USC in BLK and Gld


Do you put together a “big board” for draft night? I host a draft party at my house and use a large dry erase board that I update as people are selected.

Would be great if you shared who you think the Steelers will take at 28 and ill incorporate those picks into mine as well.

Barry i get back to you but it was to be asked


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 Post subject: Re: Guice case
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I think there is a better chance that the Steelers select Harrison Phillips at 1.28 than a WR

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 Post subject: Re: Guice case
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I think there is a better chance that the Steelers select Harrison Phillips at 1.28 than a WR

I was going to say Tim Settle, but yeah.

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 Post subject: Re: Guice case
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It's to watch the reaction. Which is stupid and deplorable.


But every year, at least 1-2 prospects fall in the draft and no one knows why. I wonder if a few DO have strong, negative reactions to the "bullshit" questions.

And it's an easy question to ask to weed out people you want to weed out. If you ask a guy if he's gay and he flies off the handle....I'd tend to think that's a HUGE red flag (actually multiple red flags).

Now, if you ask a guy if his mom is a whore I'm not sure what the appropriate response or reaction is. I think getting punched in the face would be perfectly acceptable.


And what if an opposing player asked if your mamma is a whore during the game?

Ok to have a meltdown on the field and punch the offender in the face?

If a player isn’t smart enough at this stage of their life to be able to successfully navigate an interview such as this I wouldn’t want them on my team either.

Is the kid going to climb into the stands and beat a fan down if they call his mamma a hoe?


This. All the PC bullshit bedwetting is pathetic. Apparently some people need to go to their safe place and recover or just stick a tampon in to stop the bleeding.

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 Post subject: Re: Guice case
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I just have this feeling that the qb intrest is all a smoke screen for the steelers to trade down and get more Draft picks.


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 Post subject: Re: Guice case
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I just have this feeling that the qb intrest is all a smoke screen for the steelers to trade down and get more Draft picks.


I would think that also but if a team is going to trade UP for a QB whouldn't they try to trade infront of the Steelers?

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 Post subject: Re: Guice case
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I just have this feeling that the qb intrest is all a smoke screen for the steelers to trade down and get more Draft picks.


I’m intrest to see if that happens. If the Steelers trade back I’d be intrest in seeing who they would early 2nd.target

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 Post subject: Re: Guice case
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I just have this feeling that the qb intrest is all a smoke screen for the steelers to trade down and get more Draft picks.


I’m intrest to see if that happens. If the Steelers trade back I’d be intrest in seeing who they would early 2nd.target


I would like see co.puterjumpstar's big draft baord. I think he worked in a Chinese bank.

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 Post subject: Re: Guice case
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Newest on the Bell experiment...

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PITTSBURGH -- The Pittsburgh Steelers have until July 16 to negotiate with the franchise-tagged Le’Veon Bell, and neither side appears in a rush. But the perceived lack of momentum entering those crucial summer conversations paints a murky picture between the team and the game’s best running back.

All options appear to be on the table, from a one-year rental and eventual breakup to a mega-deal that satisfies both sides.

A few mini-developments have surfaced over the past few weeks: The Steelers' prioritization of the draft and free agency before re-opening Bell talks; Bell's admission that he feels a villain in an NFL city that usually tilts positive toward its players; and the NFL Network's on-air report that mentioned Bell wants to be paid like Antonio Brown, who makes around $17 million annually.


Le'Veon Bell is seeking to be paid like the best running back in the league as he and the Steelers continue to negotiate a long-term deal. Mark Alberti/ Icon Sportswire
After talking with Bell multiple times since January, along with keeping a pulse on the negotiations, this is my attempt to separate fact from fiction on the Bell front:

That Bell wants $17 million a year: Here's what I know -- when I asked Bell what his per-year magic number was, he said he wouldn't take anything less than $14.5 million annually (his franchise number) over the course of a long-term deal. That's not a direct number but can be a guide here. He very well might want $17 million, but he probably wouldn't have said that if $15 million wouldn't get it done.

That Bell and the Steelers remain far apart: While they aren’t particularly close, they aren’t that far off, either. The Steelers have increased their offer from last year, which Bell said fell at an average of $13.3 million annually. But Bell asked for more before the March 6 deadline, forcing the Steelers to reassess.

The Steelers have to decide if they want to enter that $15 million stratosphere. But it’s not like the sides are operating with a $5 million gap. They are already fairly close to Bell’s sweet spot.

That there's tension on both sides: Not sure if tension is the right word, but both parties would acknowledge this hasn’t gone as planned, which creates unrest. The Steelers would prefer players not divulge negotiations through the media. They also understand Bell can say what he wants; he’s not under contract. The fact they haven’t leaked any negative press about him over the past few months can be perceived as a good sign.

Bell’s conviction about setting new precedent for running backs is real. He has shown that by essentially turning down two deals since last year. He’s willing to be patient. The Steelers took a swing at a new deal before the first franchise deadline, and now this will inevitably drag into July.

Conversely, the Steelers are concerned about league-wide precedent for a positional market that's well below $10 million per year for top backs. They recognize Bell’s two-way value as a receiver and running back but don’t want to spend wildly, even if any deal they cut is escapable in two years with minimal cap blowback.

If a summer offer doesn’t stick, the unrest might mushroom into something more deep-rooted. The Steelers will undoubtedly be salty about Bell missing a second straight training camp.

That Bell is a villain: Maybe he is a villain to a faction of the Steelers' fan base. He shouldn’t be. It’s his right to maximize his earning power at a time when his skill set will never be more valuable.

The fervor of cap-savvy Steelers fans who would rather use Bell’s money for defensive help is hard to ignore. Many loyalists to the black and gold simply don’t agree with Bell’s assessment that running backs deserve more.

But the Steelers have seen business from all sides, and they know the deal here. This could very well serve as a two-year, $27 million contract that began in 2017, the first year of two franchise tags. They are good either way, and the draft will signal the Steelers' true intentions (more on that later).

That it’s all about the guarantees: Not exactly. Bell acknowledges the Steelers only do contracts a certain way, with the signing bonus the one true guarantee. In return, they typically don’t cut their good players, assuming the play stays respectable. So, the guarantees are crucial in that the signing bonus must be hefty, but Bell knows the chances of him playing three or more years under a deal are pretty good, so per-year average is just as crucial.

That this negotiation is straight from the Kirk Cousins handbook: While Washington never truly wanted a long-term marriage with Cousins, who played on two franchise tags before signing with the Minnesota Vikings, this feels different. If Bell plays out another franchise tag, the decision will be business-driven, not due to a lack of faith in Bell.

“We acknowledge that we have an interest on doing long-term business with him,” coach Mike Tomlin said late last month at the NFL owners meetings.

That the Steelers are looking for Bell’s replacement in the draft: This is more significant than some other speculation and is at least partly true.

The Steelers are prepared to protect themselves, since Bell negotiations have proved difficult. The team’s interest in LSU’s Derrius Guice, for example, is genuine. His interview with the team at the combine was described to me as all hands on deck.

If the team nabs a running back during the first two days of the draft, they are officially ready for anything. http://sports-ak.espn.go.com/blog/nflna ... e-steelers


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 Post subject: Re: Guice case
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I just have this feeling that the qb intrest is all a smoke screen for the steelers to trade down and get more Draft picks.


I’m intrest to see if that happens. If the Steelers trade back I’d be intrest in seeing who they would early 2nd.target


I would like see co.puterjumpstar's big draft baord. I think he worked in a Chinese bank.


Jumpstar published a draft guide that was was second to nun.

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 Post subject: Re: Guice case
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I just have this feeling that the qb intrest is all a smoke screen for the steelers to trade down and get more Draft picks.


Steelers never trade out of the 1st round. Never.

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 Post subject: Re: Guice case
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I just have this feeling that the qb intrest is all a smoke screen for the steelers to trade down and get more Draft picks.


Steelers never trade out of the 1st round. Never.

Yep, too in love with that 5th year option it brings.

This would be the year though - with the 5-6 QBs falling where they probably will, but...we do what we do.


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 Post subject: Re: Guice case
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I just have this feeling that the qb intrest is all a smoke screen for the steelers to trade down and get more Draft picks.


Steelers never trade out of the 1st round. Never.

Yep, too in love with that 5th year option it brings.

This would be the year though - with the 5-6 QBs falling where they probably will, but...we do what we do.

just because they trade down, it doesn't mean they have to trade out of the 1st round

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 Post subject: Re: Guice case
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You guys are way more informed and knowledgable, but I just saw the highlight reels for Guice and Michel, and like Michel a bit more.

Both would be great additions. Michel a c*nt hair slower(4.54 vs 4.49), but he seems more methodical. Both have good vision. Both hit the hole fast. Michel's speed is deceptive. I wonder if they do take one of these guys, would the O line have to adjust? Timing is important. Bell seldomly takes the first hole he sees, and the o line hold on to their blocks a bit more than most.

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 Post subject: Re: Guice case
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You guys are way more informed and knowledgable, but I just saw the highlight reels for Guice and Michel, and like Michel a bit more.

Both would be great additions. Michel a c*nt hair slower(4.54 vs 4.49), but he seems more methodical. Both have good vision. Both hit the hole fast. Michel's speed is deceptive. I wonder if they do take one of these guys, would the O line have to adjust? Timing is important. Bell seldomly takes the first hole he sees, and the o line hold on to their blocks a bit more than most.


I’m with you. I like Michel over Guice.

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 Post subject: Re: Guice case
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I just have this feeling that the qb intrest is all a smoke screen for the steelers to trade down and get more Draft picks.

Steelers never trade out of the 1st round. Never.

Yep, too in love with that 5th year option it brings.

This would be the year though - with the 5-6 QBs falling where they probably will, but...we do what we do.

just because they trade down, it doesn't mean they have to trade out of the 1st round

I considered that, but come on, let's be realistic at least. The four teams behind us are extremely unlikely to trade down to us for a QB or anyone for that matter. If other QB needed teams had already traded into spot 29-32 (from an earlier or later spot), I find it hard to believe they would trade again into our spot. But, we can discuss the .1% scenarios if you really want. You have to also know by now that the Steelers FO is already know by other teams' FOs as a team that's most unlikely to trade very often. Not like the Pats, 49ers, Vikes, Seahawks, Browns and others. I'd be willing to bet we're probably close to, if not, last on that list - over the last handful of years - when draft day trading has become much more popular.


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 Post subject: Re: Guice case
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Trade down, trade up. Still end up with extra pick, select Jessie Bates, anyway.

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 Post subject: Re: Guice case
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I like him too but Michel might be a little less sure handed than Guice


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 Post subject: Re: Guice case
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I like him too but Michel might be a little less sure handed than Guice

Don't forget Guice played at LSU... where passing offense goes to die.

Look for the clips of his workouts running routes and catching the football... he's going to be really, really good. He might even be a better NFL player than Saquon.

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Gotta admit between the 2 i like Michel a bit more as well


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 Post subject: Re: Guice case
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See below. Big red flag on Michel's fumble rate IMO.


Below are the career offensive fumble rates for the top running back prospects in the 2018 NFL Draft class, broken down into five categories:

ELITE (150 or better)

359.0 -- Darrel Williams, LSU

238.7 -- Demario Richard, Arizona State

207.7 -- Ronald Jones, USC

193.3 -- Saquon Barkley, Penn State

191.3 -- Kerryon Johnson, Auburn

181.7 -- Kyle Hicks, TCU

180.6 -- Justin Jackson, Northwestern

174.0 -- Josh Adams, Notre Dame

155.5 -- Jordan Wilkins, Ole Miss

ABOVE AVERAGE (125-149)

142.1 -- Chase Edmonds, Fordham

135.0 -- Lavon Coleman, Washington

124.9 -- Ralph Webb, Vanderbilt

123.3 -- John Kelly, Tennessee

AVERAGE (100-124)

114.0 -- Royce Freeman, Oregon

110.0 -- Phillip Lindsay, Colorado

105.8 -- Rashaad Penny, San Diego State

100.6 -- Derrius Guice, LSU

BELOW AVERAGE (76-99)

98.6 -- Nick Chubb, Georgia

96.0 -- Bo Scarbrough, Alabama

90.0 -- Mark Walton, Miami (Fla.)

88.2 -- Ryan Nall, Oregon State

87.3 -- Ito Smith, Southern Miss

86.8 -- Nyheim Hines, NC State

76.3 -- Jordan Chunn, Troy

RED FLAG (75 or worse)

74.2 -- Roc Thomas, Jacksonville State

67.4 -- Akrum Wadley, Iowa

66.9 -- Jarvion Franklin, Western Michigan

66.5 -- Kalen Ballage, Arizona State

62.5 -- Justin Crawford, West Virginia

58.2 -- Kamryn Pettway, Auburn

55.6 -- Keith Ford, Texas A&M

54.6 -- Sony Michel, Georgia

39.5 -- Jeffery Wilson, North Texas


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 Post subject: Re: Guice case
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If I read this chart right. Michel fumbles twice as often as Guice.


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Doesn't include Chris Warren III, but Warren fumbled twice in 227 touches (a botched reverse where he tried to jump pass the ball over two defenders & a last second fumble vs Oklahoma)

He'd be in the above average group.

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That's correct. This chart shows fumbles per offensive touch (which can include a catch of course). Michel's is quite bad. It means if he gets 20+ carries and a few catches a game...he'll be fumbling the ball roughly at an average of once every 2 games. That number of course easily could be worse in the NFL because holes are smaller and defenders are even better at stripping the ball. To put it in perspective, I believe Bell's rate is in the 200s. In short, Michel is fairly loose with the football. I'm not saying that can't be improved, but in a draft with a lot of RB talent, do we really need to spend a 1st on Michel?


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