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 Post subject: Re: Lowering head to initiate contact with the helmet
PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 5:16 am 
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Everyone is freaking out over this new rule....

It's going to be a "rare" judgement call. Basically another "DPI" refs can use to alter games, but it won't necessarily "ruin" the game.


As I've said a few times before....when Ben is done, then I'm done with the NFL.

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 Post subject: Re: Lowering head to initiate contact with the helmet
PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 9:23 am 
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StillMadAtSlobber wrote:
This isn't half the issue you bedwetters think it is. It's about using the helmet, spearing, in the game.



Slobber is correct. The spirit of the rule is to not intentionally use your helmet, the crown of your head to be the initial point of contact. To launch your helmet as a weapon. It goes for both offensive and defensive players. Been a rule in Canadian amateur football for years, probably US amateur as well(not sure). It gets called once every 5 games that I am involved with.

Frankly the Shazier injury "could" be seen as this type of infraction and you see what could happen.

A running back running between the tackles with his head down is not trying to initiate contact, hence no problem.


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 Post subject: Re: Lowering head to initiate contact with the helmet
PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 2:04 pm 
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Donnie Brasco wrote:
StillMadAtSlobber wrote:

And they didn't think it was being called, so they made it another rule, with an ejection clause in there.


Officials couldn't eject a player for spearing? Hmmm...seems to me they have a bit of latitude for doing so.

Has it ever been done before? Not to my knowledge, but maybe that's because a ref never had the spine to do it before


Officials are insanely paranoid about ejecting players. The rules changed for 2 personals being an ejection and I don't think that happened once.

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 Post subject: Re: Lowering head to initiate contact with the helmet
PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 7:52 am 
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“I just can’t wait until the referees come into training camp like they do every year, and they show us the videos of what to do and not do in the rule changes,” DeCastro said. “I just can’t wait to see it because I have no idea what they’re talking about. It doesn’t make any sense to me.”

“You’re taught from a young age, the low man wins,” DeCastro said. “Get your head lower than theirs. It’s like the nature of the game. You might as well take the ball away while you’re at it.”

“We’re going to look like sumo wrestlers,” DeCastro said. “Put our bellies against each other.”

“I’m really happy if that means they cannot bull rush, leading with the head,” he said. “That takes away one pass rush move. But I’m with Dave. What I don’t want is an ambiguous rule. They’re not going to call it on a bull rush but they are on a [guard] pull, if Dave hits a linebacker with the head because he’s trying to get lower? I don’t know how you can call it without making the game like flag football.”

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/joe- ... 1804050157
Might as well put the flags on and get it over with already. I think this rule maybe implemented for a short time and largely ignored as the season progresses. I think it's a huge mistake and likely will cost the NFL more casual fans than they believe if they make the rule 'permanent'. I think this pre-season and regular season will be the experiment for this rule. I agree with DeCastro/Villanueva it's doomed to fail and stupid. Another dumb idea that guys have to be thinking about while playing as fast as they can. I believe that makes more risk of injury. We'll see.


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 Post subject: Re: Lowering head to initiate contact with the helmet
PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 12:10 pm 
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Goofwell says it's going to depend on the replay tape. You are going to have constant game interruptions.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 1:28 pm 
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The future of the NFL is only slightly brighter than Connor McGregor's UFC future at this point.

If I were an NFL owner, I would be selling this summer.

Too bad there is no way to short the NFL.

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 Post subject: Re: Lowering head to initiate contact with the helmet
PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 2:28 pm 
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There was a really good interview with Decastro and Villanueva on the fan about this subject. They said the rule is unenforceable and if they intend to enforce it then contact football is over. They talked about several scenarios. One would be on a Decastro pull block. If he’s pulling and going to clear out a LB, he has to get low. Low man wins. Can’t get low without lowering his head. They then talked about D line stunts and said if they can’t get low on a pull block, the league better not allow a pass rusher on a T E stunt to come through and lower their head to gain leverage as they do now. They also said the league sent out a video showing things no longer allowed. One was Brady doing a qb sneak and lowering his head. Same goes for a RB going into the hole. Somebody even went back and watched the first half of the Steelers Bengals game from last year. They found 40 potential penalties of this type in the first half, 29 were certain penalties and the rest were judgement calls.

Like I said, the rule is either totally unenforceable, going to completely take contact out of football, or be some mismanaged subjective mess that fucks up games and ruins the viewing experience. I’d bet number three.


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 Post subject: Re: Lowering head to initiate contact with the helmet
PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:35 pm 
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My guess is the rule will used very sparingly, mostly in wide open space situations. They are all about sounding like they are "taking the head out of the game" just to cover their ass. Shazier's injury really help the situation much.


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