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 Post subject: Re: Lowering head to initiate contact with the helmet
PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 2:22 pm 
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StillMadAtSlobber wrote:
This isn't half the issue you bedwetters think it is. It's about using the helmet, spearing, in the game.


They already had rules for that.

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 Post subject: Re: Lowering head to initiate contact with the helmet
PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 3:15 pm 
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Seattle has been using the rugby style tackle for years now and they had a great nasty defense. We as Steeler fans should be championing this rule change because the head down tackle is how Shazier got hurt.

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Ahh yes anecdotal evidence is purely the best kind.
How many collisions do you think happen over the course of just 1 NFL season? Think of all the practices. Think of every play where linemen crash into each other with their helmets. Has to be close to a million right?

And 1 bad play went wrong so you want to eliminate it?

This is the same type thing that makes people irrationally afraid to fly where they are 10x more likely to die in a car crash.


I think the flying analogy is off base. There is fear of something hardly happening and then there is a certainty of knowing (at best) you are going to have some form of CTE after you retire.

The statistics from rugby to football as far as head injuries are well documented. Significantly less head injuries in rugby- but they have significantly more spinal injuries. There can be over 20 tackles for a team that has possession and it has to be done a certain way. Stopping a 230-pound man without equipment requires skill and technique that could save your life and brain. The stats from a sport to sport is far from anecdotal. The application to Pro football may be.

Watershed moments happen in any events. Cocaine was a harmless drug used by the rich until the Dadeland Massacre. The mafia was just a shadowy non-organization who policed their own until civilians started to get killed. Some of it happens suddenly other times it's a gradual thing. So to say can ONE incident change the culture? yeah, it happens. In America, you can pretty much you can do anything as long as someone isn't getting hurt.

What the NFL is dealing with is a young rising star got hurt on national TV. That confirms what most parents are starting to think about the game of football. How the league e reassures parents and kids in order for them to keep playing football is where we are now. People sitting on their couches wanting carnage and blood aren't the NFL's MAIN audience anymore its the kids. Everyone on this board had a pro football dream at some point in their lives- some of those dreams died at pee wee ball. What happens when kids no longer have that dream- then football goes away like horse racing. Good for the Kentucky Derby or the Belmont- but otherwise who cares?

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 3:25 pm 
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There are going to be flags after virtually every single play next season.

....so we have THAT to look forward to.

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 Post subject: Re: Lowering head to initiate contact with the helmet
PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 6:04 pm 
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StillMadAtSlobber wrote:
This isn't half the issue you bedwetters think it is. It's about using the helmet, spearing, in the game.


They already had rules for that.


And they didn't think it was being called, so they made it another rule, with an ejection clause in there.

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look at the bright side - more variety for the refs to help keep the game close, don't have to over-rely on DPI

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 Post subject: Re: Lowering head to initiate contact with the helmet
PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:48 pm 
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I guess Ben does not have to worry about qb sneaks. But this rule sucks


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 Post subject: Re: Lowering head to initiate contact with the helmet
PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 10:35 pm 
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Two hands on the player and he's down. How far away from that are we really? That makes it no benefit for the offensive player to try to initiate contact with his head or any other part of his body as well as the defensive player. All they will care about is not getting touched. Then we'll almost be watching the NBA. Can't wait for that!

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 Post subject: Re: Lowering head to initiate contact with the helmet
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I guess Ben does not have to worry about qb sneaks. But this rule sucks


All joking aside...I agree 100% that this rule is about liability and perception. I don't expect it to be called except when extremely egregious. Otherwise, it will be called a few times in meaningless games already decided to keep up appearances. And probably one or two sacrificial lambs in prime time games.

I can't imagine they'd actually legislate out the QB sneak. I don't think anyone in football, outside of Tomlin and Haley, want to take that play out.

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 Post subject: Re: Lowering head to initiate contact with the helmet
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steelmann58 wrote:
I guess Ben does not have to worry about qb sneaks. But this rule sucks


So, what we're saying is, either Ben or someone on the Steelers staff was a man ahead of his time. Like Davinci.


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 Post subject: Re: Lowering head to initiate contact with the helmet
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StillMadAtSlobber wrote:
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StillMadAtSlobber wrote:
This isn't half the issue you bedwetters think it is. It's about using the helmet, spearing, in the game.


They already had rules for that.


And they didn't think it was being called, so they made it another rule, with an ejection clause in there.


Officials couldn't eject a player for spearing? Hmmm...seems to me they have a bit of latitude for doing so.

Has it ever been done before? Not to my knowledge, but maybe that's because a ref never had the spine to do it before


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