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 Post subject: Lowering head to initiate contact with the helmet
PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 4:49 pm 
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Is now a 15 yard penalty. Causes too many concussions. This technique was seen often in the NFL. Now, flags will be flying.


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 Post subject: Re: Lowering head to initiate contact with the helmet
PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 4:51 pm 
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Good luck enforcing that one. This sport is on the verge of death. Borderline unwatchable.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 4:55 pm 
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Wasn't that what happened to Shaz?


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 Post subject: Re: Lowering head to initiate contact with the helmet
PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 5:00 pm 
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Does this apply to offensive players as well?

Part of what drives me insane about these rules is that the responsibility is 100% on the defensive player. The NHL isn't perfect by any means, but at least they try to acknowledge that the guy getting hit has some obligation to protect himself and/or not put himself into a vulnerable position.

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 Post subject: Re: Lowering head to initiate contact with the helmet
PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 5:13 pm 
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Applies to any player anywhere on the field. Get ready for two handed touch.


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 Post subject: Re: Lowering head to initiate contact with the helmet
PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 5:20 pm 
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Leading with the helmet or using the helmet as a weapon is a habit that players develop early and with successful results. It's something that Shazier and many other players do, offense and defense.

If you are a running back with proper technique, getting low and forward lean, of course you are leading with the helmet. And the Hard helmets cause more injuries and create different techniques than the old leather helmets or no helmets like in rugby. It's natural to use the Hard helmet as a weapon. Will a new rule help save players? Probably not. It's partly a public relations move.

I recently heard a documentary about how Head injuries are threatening the future of football like never before. More CTE, and more kids who simply are not allowed to play. High schools can't get enough players and combine with other high schools to make a team. Would you let your son play high school football? I wouldn't. But I still love and respect the game and those who choose to play the game.


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 Post subject: Re: Lowering head to initiate contact with the helmet
PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 5:25 pm 
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genie left out a pretty big detail:

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It is a foul if a player lowers his head to initiate and make contact with his helmet against an opponent,” the new rule says, according to the NFL. “The player may be disqualified. Applies to any player anywhere on the field.


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 Post subject: Re: Lowering head to initiate contact with the helmet
PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 6:02 pm 
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The death of football right there. They fix the subjective bullshit nature of catch rules then go ahead and make every hit everywhere on the field potentially an ejectable play.

This won’t end well.


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 Post subject: Re: Lowering head to initiate contact with the helmet
PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 6:46 pm 
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So this is their version of the college targeting rule, correct? Oh boy.


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 Post subject: Re: Lowering head to initiate contact with the helmet
PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 6:47 pm 
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If you thought the old catch rule allowed refs to change the outcome of games ... this rule which can be enforced or not enforced on any and every play in a game just gave the reffos full discretion to manhandle and manipulate any game they choose.


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So this counts if a smaller defender lowers his head and goes low to try to undercut a larger one...


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 Post subject: Re: Lowering head to initiate contact with the helmet
PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 7:21 pm 
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Ejections should only be for egregious rules violations.

Giving refs the discretion to remove players from the game seriously violates the integrity of the game. What is left that is.

On a side note, don’t we all feel better knowing under the new (but actually old) rules James catch was actually a catch??

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Can’t see myself watching this rigged game much longer.


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hockey is soooo much better


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955876 wrote:
Can’t see myself watching this rigged game much longer.


Ben has got three years left the my give-a-fuck is going down to near zero.

The Steelers better change their evaluation process for certain positions like safety. Coverage players become the priority, big hitters they like now are legislated out of the game.


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 Post subject: Re: Lowering head to initiate contact with the helmet
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do y'all feel a little bit suckered?

They fixed the catch rule [maybe]. And basically created another hugely impactful and subjective call like DPI, only now with a possible ejection attached. I think if you weigh the net potential impact of these changes, it's MORE likely and easier to fix outcomes now.

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 Post subject: Re: Lowering head to initiate contact with the helmet
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Kodiak wrote:
do y'all feel a little bit suckered?

They fixed the catch rule [maybe]. And basically created another hugely impactful and subjective call like DPI, only now with a possible ejection attached. I think if you weigh the net potential impact of these changes, it's MORE likely and easier to fix outcomes now.


Absolutely. They are never going to give up the ability to create drama and alter outcome


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Gonzo wrote:
Kodiak wrote:
do y'all feel a little bit suckered?

They fixed the catch rule [maybe]. And basically created another hugely impactful and subjective call like DPI, only now with a possible ejection attached. I think if you weigh the net potential impact of these changes, it's MORE likely and easier to fix outcomes now.


Absolutely. They are never going to give up the ability to create drama and alter outcome


Agreed on both counts. But people aren’t developing dementia at age 45 because of controversial incomplete pass calls. It was a no brainer from the ownership standpoint, pun intended I guess.


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But people aren’t developing dementia at age 45 because of controversial incomplete pass calls.


No. But take away the PED's, and get back to me.

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 Post subject: Re: Lowering head to initiate contact with the helmet
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More flags = more unwatchable.....yet the NFL continues to move in that direction.


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 Post subject: Re: Lowering head to initiate contact with the helmet
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Good thing Mike Mitchell isn't here anymore.

He might not have last more than 10 minutes in any given game with this new rule.

Though, him getting ejected probably would have actually favored us.


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The death of football right there. They fix the subjective bullshit nature of catch rules then go ahead and make every hit everywhere on the field potentially an ejectable play.

This won’t end well.



Terrible. What are the odds that this time next year they are removing this rule?

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Shoulder pads, helmet, bah! What's the difference, right? I saw pads, you saw helmet.

I'm with those that think this rule is just another means to control outcomes since it's so goddamn vague/ subject to interpretation.

And yes. Taking out KO, XP, and P, along with the new catch rule and this stupidity, it's going to legislate all contact out of the game. Oklahoma drill will be next.

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Steelergenie wrote:
Is now a 15 yard penalty. Causes too many concussions. This technique was seen often in the NFL. Now, flags will be flying.


Switch to the rugby helmets soft leather with no facemasks, get rid of the shoulder pads too, that will change how they hit and tackle.


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 Post subject: Re: Lowering head to initiate contact with the helmet
PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:44 am 
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So I heard the reasoning was that the number of concussion is still rising in the league.............NO SHIT! They are being identified and diagnosed 180 degrees differently and more often than before. I guy could have run to the wrong sideline 15 years ago and not been diagnosed with a concussion.

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