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 Post subject: Re: Tomlin: not a fan of celebrations
PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2018 2:59 pm 
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Nick....I don't think any fan base would "die for" anything short of a championship. You wouldn't, I wouldn't, and neither would anybody else.


I wouldn’t be so sure


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I'm sure Cleveland or Detroit fans would get in line to have division champs t shirts! They're jealous of Bungles fans when they see them in the AFC North Champs gear.


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 Post subject: Re: Tomlin: not a fan of celebrations
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Still doubt that any fan base....Bungals, Browns, Lions...would "die for" any season short of a championship. Silly argument to have though.


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 Post subject: Re: Tomlin: not a fan of celebrations
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Still doubt that any fan base....Bungals, Browns, Lions...would "die for" any season short of a championship. Silly argument to have though.

Agree...and at the same time, being better than the dregs is nothing to hang your hat on. Steelers fans expect excellence and championships. If that makes us spoiled and/or entitled, then guilty as charged.

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Still doubt that any fan base....Bungals, Browns, Lions...would "die for" any season short of a championship. Silly argument to have though.

Agree...and at the same time, being better than the dregs is nothing to hang your hat on. Steelers fans expect excellence and championships. If that makes us spoiled and/or entitled, then guilty as charged.


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 Post subject: Re: Tomlin: not a fan of celebrations
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Still doubt that any fan base....Bungals, Browns, Lions...would "die for" any season short of a championship. Silly argument to have though.

Agree...and at the same time, being better than the dregs is nothing to hang your hat on. Steelers fans expect excellence and championships. If that makes us spoiled and/or entitled, then guilty as charged.


To be honest, I'm ok with last season or the season before. I'm not angry. I take each game as a stand alone event to be happy about, so the last few seasons I've had plenty of stand alone entertainment events to enjoy. So falling short of the Super Bowl isn't the end of the world, because it's pretty much THE NORM for every franchise over a lifetime, so to me, last season, as disappointing as losing the playoff game was, 13-4 overall gave me entertainment value over a 4 month period, was a success for me, I had fun. Of course I'd rather win the Super Bowl, but if you're only happy with the Super Bowl, then you're almost never happy.I know people who say they'd rather go 0-16 to get the top pick, rather than lose the wild card game, because it's not the Super Bowl. Well I think that's stupid, every game, every Autumn is important to me, it's not only about the Super Bowl that only the very best franchises win, but rarely, it's more about the week to week games, 13-4 is not a failure, because I had fun 13 weekends. .


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 Post subject: Re: Tomlin: not a fan of celebrations
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When you have a HOF QB in a QB flag football league in his twighlight, I expect the Steelers to change the way they always do things, get outside the box and try harder to win, risk the future, etc.

They have blown the last few years with a shit defense beyond belief!


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 Post subject: Re: Tomlin: not a fan of celebrations
PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 7:25 am 
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Nick79 wrote:
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swissvale72 wrote:
Still doubt that any fan base....Bungals, Browns, Lions...would "die for" any season short of a championship. Silly argument to have though.

Agree...and at the same time, being better than the dregs is nothing to hang your hat on. Steelers fans expect excellence and championships. If that makes us spoiled and/or entitled, then guilty as charged.


To be honest, I'm ok with last season or the season before. I'm not angry. I take each game as a stand alone event to be happy about, so the last few seasons I've had plenty of stand alone entertainment events to enjoy. So falling short of the Super Bowl isn't the end of the world, because it's pretty much THE NORM for every franchise over a lifetime, so to me, last season, as disappointing as losing the playoff game was, 13-4 overall gave me entertainment value over a 4 month period, was a success for me, I had fun. Of course I'd rather win the Super Bowl, but if you're only happy with the Super Bowl, then you're almost never happy.I know people who say they'd rather go 0-16 to get the top pick, rather than lose the wild card game, because it's not the Super Bowl. Well I think that's stupid, every game, every Autumn is important to me, it's not only about the Super Bowl that only the very best franchises win, but rarely, it's more about the week to week games, 13-4 is not a failure, because I had fun 13 weekends. .


Nick...I think we all have fun when the Steelers win. Well...maybe not all of us. And, on a tangentially-related topic, we can have fun and still critique aspects of the team's play and coaching decisions when Steelers win. Engaging in post-game analysis is fun, too!!

I think the issue is the extreme to which you've gone in describing the speculative reaction of other fan bases to the type of season the Steelers just had. To that...I still maintain that no fan base would "die for" a season where their team fails to win a playoff game. A great regular season, followed by a one-and-done exit from the playoffs has got to bring a level of disappointment that at least balances the regular season joy. It's hard to imagine that it would be a season "to die for."


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 Post subject: Re: Tomlin: not a fan of celebrations
PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 9:56 am 
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Suwanee88 wrote:
When you have a HOF QB in a QB flag football league in his twighlight, I expect the Steelers to change the way they always do things, get outside the box and try harder to win, risk the future, etc.

They have blown the last few years with a shit defense beyond belief!


I've always been disappointed that they have refused forever to just fully embrace the "flag football" mentality of the modern game to the fullest, meaning NEVER CHEW CLOCK, feel like you need another TD FAST when you're up by 20 with 10:00 left. It's going to get more and more in that direction. Running and stopping the run won't be a formula for success ever again.


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 Post subject: Re: Tomlin: not a fan of celebrations
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“I’m not opposed to dramatic changes,” Tomlin said from last week’s NFL owners meetings in Orlando.

“I think that is the appropriate mentality to have,” said Tomlin of potential changes. “We may change in dramatic ways, we may not. It depends on what the totality of the variables of totality mean for us. But I think it’s great to have an attitude that’s not resistant to it.”

“I am always a little bit hesitant to draw conclusions from a deadline standpoint because there is so much time,” Tomlin said. “We are still very much putting together critical pieces. We are still highly involved in free agency. We still have a draft to prepare for. I think really the culmination of the draft formally kind of starts that process of information being collected over an extended period of time. Yes, we have made some decisions in terms of things and directions that we anticipate or we know that we are going to go in.”

“We have a lot of young players in the positions that need to grow,” Tomlin said. “The ways that they are teaching in college today is different than when they were teaching when I coached college football a number of years ago. The constraints in which they work in terms of time. The utilization of technology is a teach tool. All of those things are interesting things that [Bradley] has had direct involvement with in terms of coaching the young people.”

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 Post subject: Re: Tomlin: not a fan of celebrations
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“I’m not opposed to dramatic changes,” Tomlin said from last week’s NFL owners meetings in Orlando.

“I think that is the appropriate mentality to have,” said Tomlin of potential changes. “We may change in dramatic ways, we may not. It depends on what the totality of the variables of totality mean for us. But I think it’s great to have an attitude that’s not resistant to it.”

“I am always a little bit hesitant to draw conclusions from a deadline standpoint because there is so much time,” Tomlin said. “We are still very much putting together critical pieces. We are still highly involved in free agency. We still have a draft to prepare for. I think really the culmination of the draft formally kind of starts that process of information being collected over an extended period of time. Yes, we have made some decisions in terms of things and directions that we anticipate or we know that we are going to go in.”

“We have a lot of young players in the positions that need to grow,” Tomlin said. “The ways that they are teaching in college today is different than when they were teaching when I coached college football a number of years ago. The constraints in which they work in terms of time. The utilization of technology is a teach tool. All of those things are interesting things that [Bradley] has had direct involvement with in terms of coaching the young people.”

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 Post subject: Re: Tomlin: not a fan of celebrations
PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2018 9:19 am 
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To be honest, I'm ok with last season or the season before. I'm not angry. I take each game as a stand alone event to be happy about, so the last few seasons I've had plenty of stand alone entertainment events to enjoy. So falling short of the Super Bowl isn't the end of the world, because it's pretty much THE NORM for every franchise over a lifetime, so to me, last season, as disappointing as losing the playoff game was, 13-4 overall gave me entertainment value over a 4 month period, was a success for me, I had fun. Of course I'd rather win the Super Bowl, but if you're only happy with the Super Bowl, then you're almost never happy.I know people who say they'd rather go 0-16 to get the top pick, rather than lose the wild card game, because it's not the Super Bowl. Well I think that's stupid, every game, every Autumn is important to me, it's not only about the Super Bowl that only the very best franchises win, but rarely, it's more about the week to week games, 13-4 is not a failure, because I had fun 13 weekends. .


I mean, it's all relative to your emotional attachment to the team. If you're the sort who becomes incapable of enjoying his or her day or week because his or her sports team lost a playoff game, nothing is going to satisfy other than a SB appearance.

Gotta say, though, that Jax loss was especially shitty. Top three shittiest of the Tomlin era, easily. So, while I agree with your sentiments in general, Nick, there's losing and then there's being a loser and that Jax game on D was a total loser. It was...gross...and....pathetic...from my untrained eye.

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 Post subject: Re: Tomlin: not a fan of celebrations
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To be honest, I'm ok with last season or the season before. I'm not angry. I take each game as a stand alone event to be happy about, so the last few seasons I've had plenty of stand alone entertainment events to enjoy. So falling short of the Super Bowl isn't the end of the world, because it's pretty much THE NORM for every franchise over a lifetime, so to me, last season, as disappointing as losing the playoff game was, 13-4 overall gave me entertainment value over a 4 month period, was a success for me, I had fun. Of course I'd rather win the Super Bowl, but if you're only happy with the Super Bowl, then you're almost never happy.I know people who say they'd rather go 0-16 to get the top pick, rather than lose the wild card game, because it's not the Super Bowl. Well I think that's stupid, every game, every Autumn is important to me, it's not only about the Super Bowl that only the very best franchises win, but rarely, it's more about the week to week games, 13-4 is not a failure, because I had fun 13 weekends. .


I mean, it's all relative to your emotional attachment to the team. If you're the sort who becomes incapable of enjoying his or her day or week because his or her sports team lost a playoff game, nothing is going to satisfy other than a SB appearance.

Gotta say, though, that Jax loss was especially shitty. Top three shittiest of the Tomlin era, easily. So, while I agree with your sentiments in general, Nick, there's losing and then there's being a loser and that Jax game on D was a total loser. It was...gross...and....pathetic...from my untrained eye.


It's a balance of expectations vs results.

If you have a team that sneaks into playoffs at 9-7 or 10-6 and loses in the first round vs a superior opponent...no big deal. I'll go to bed and wake up perfectly happy.

But if you have a team that finished 11-3 and still loses in the first round....then that's traditionally been harder to swallow.

However, I will say my emotional ties to the NFL have waned significantly over the years and even last year's lost to Jacksonville didn't evoke much more than a laugh and a "get 'em next year" from me.

I'd take a first round loss for the Penguins significantly harder than I would for the Steelers, these days.


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To be honest, I'm ok with last season or the season before. I'm not angry. I take each game as a stand alone event to be happy about, so the last few seasons I've had plenty of stand alone entertainment events to enjoy. So falling short of the Super Bowl isn't the end of the world, because it's pretty much THE NORM for every franchise over a lifetime, so to me, last season, as disappointing as losing the playoff game was, 13-4 overall gave me entertainment value over a 4 month period, was a success for me, I had fun. Of course I'd rather win the Super Bowl, but if you're only happy with the Super Bowl, then you're almost never happy.I know people who say they'd rather go 0-16 to get the top pick, rather than lose the wild card game, because it's not the Super Bowl. Well I think that's stupid, every game, every Autumn is important to me, it's not only about the Super Bowl that only the very best franchises win, but rarely, it's more about the week to week games, 13-4 is not a failure, because I had fun 13 weekends. .


I mean, it's all relative to your emotional attachment to the team. If you're the sort who becomes incapable of enjoying his or her day or week because his or her sports team lost a playoff game, nothing is going to satisfy other than a SB appearance.

Gotta say, though, that Jax loss was especially shitty. Top three shittiest of the Tomlin era, easily. So, while I agree with your sentiments in general, Nick, there's losing and then there's being a loser and that Jax game on D was a total loser. It was...gross...and....pathetic...from my untrained eye.


True, I used to be like that. in the mid-Cowher years I was always upset, most about losing AFCCGs, the 2001 game vs. NE about killed me, After that I kind of decided, all I wanted was another Super Bowl win before I die, OUTSIDE OF THE 1970s! Because I was sick of losing and having Steelers fans rationalize with, "But in the '70s...", then eventually we won another, then another... since then I've been more content. Sure I want to win the Super Bowl, but losing and not winning the big game bothers me way less, Instead of leaning on the '70s, I just feel like, it's really unreasonable to expect more success than we have, and that included division titles, AFCCGs and all of that, so I tend to walk away from losses and falling short of the Super Bowl unscathed.


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 Post subject: Re: Tomlin: not a fan of celebrations
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It depends on what the totality of the variables of totality mean for us.


I hope this gobbledygook is just a typo and not a direct quote.

However, given what the word smiff has consistently “put on tape” it most likely is a direct quote.


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Exactly....


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