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 Post subject: Re: Turtling
PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 1:49 pm 
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StillerDownSouth wrote:
Last season NE threw the ball 587 times, they ran it 448 times. PS threw it 590 times and ran it 437 times.

PIT threw the ball behind the LOS 27 more times than did NE. Virtual runs.

NE 495 passes beyond the LOS, 540 runs/behind LOS

PIT 471 passes beyond the LOS, 556 runs/behind LOS

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 Post subject: Re: Turtling
PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 2:17 pm 
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Jobus Rum wrote:
In today’s NFL, running the football should be an accent of your offense, not the focus of your offense. Unfortunately, the Steelers disagree.
If I’ve said it once, I’ve said it a hundred times...Mike Tomlin was hired because the Rooney’s saw another Bill Cowher, philosophy wise. And Bill Cowher was hired because he epitomized what they wanted to sell to the yinzer fan...hard nosed, smash mouth, rough and tumble football. That’s outdated.
The Pats play pussy ass football...and win championships.


LOL! :lol: I was saying this 20 years ago! When I wanted to fire Cowher, draft Drew Brees and play a run and shoot offense! :lol:

And everyone would say, Brees doesn't fit the "Steeler Way", Defense, Run Ball, Chew Clock!" Can't ever change!


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 Post subject: Re: Turtling
PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 4:09 pm 
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Jeemie wrote:
The fact that they took Martavis Bryant off the field in favor of a big set and extra O-lineman (with brown injured), in a game where Bryant had finally showed up to play, tells me they lowered their odds of scoring a TD.


Turtling is telegraphing to everyone with a pulse that you're going to go conservative and then going conservative (typically into a nine-man front).

Turtling is like cuckold pornography. You know it when you see it and Todd Haley is really into it.


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 Post subject: Re: Turtling
PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 4:32 pm 
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Going conservative in big spots has just as much if not more to do with Tomlin than it ever had to do with Haley. That's what he wants us to do. Questioning a particular play call is one thing, but Tomlin has clear input and control over when to be risky/go for the jugular and when to play it safe in key moments and drives.

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 Post subject: Re: Turtling
PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 6:06 pm 
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TB wrote:
Going conservative in big spots has just as much if not more to do with Tomlin than it ever had to do with Haley. That's what he wants us to do. Questioning a particular play call is one thing, but Tomlin has clear input and control over when to be risky/go for the jugular and when to play it safe in key moments and drives.


Oh I agree.

I’m certain losing Antonio Brown scared the shit out of Tomlin, and so when they got the short field TD after the INT to take an eight point lead, he tried to run away and hide.

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 Post subject: Re: Turtling
PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 6:12 pm 
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TB wrote:
Going conservative in big spots has just as much if not more to do with Tomlin than it ever had to do with Haley. That's what he wants us to do. Questioning a particular play call is one thing, but Tomlin has clear input and control over when to be risky/go for the jugular and when to play it safe in key moments and drives.

It’s absolutely Tomlin. But it goes even higher...it’s what A2 wants. The Steelers Way...

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 Post subject: Re: Turtling
PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 6:28 pm 
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It worked great in our game vs NE.


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 Post subject: Re: Turtling
PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 6:43 pm 
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Definition of turtling

:the action or process of tightening one's sphincter typically evidenced by the use of predictable run plays in the misplaced hope of exhausting the play clock and having to convert countless third down plays against all percentages.


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 Post subject: Re: Turtling
PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 8:03 pm 
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Jeemie wrote:
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Turtling to me, is when you have a lead and then make the decision to go conservative and run the ball and have no desire to score more points.

I guess that's part of my question. Does the fact that they are running the ball mean they're not trying to score points?


The fact that they took Martavis Bryant off the field in favor of a big set and extra O-lineman (with brown injured), in a game where Bryant had finally showed up to play, tells me they lowered their odds of scoring a TD.

If you play small ball, chew the clock, long drive football...you minimize scoring chances....both because you have fewer drives and because the more plays in a drive you run, the greater the odds you're going to fuck up a play or two.

That's just dumb with an eight point lead and a quarter or so to go.

This is why passing YPA (or better, AYPA) is the stat that most highly correlates with scoring points.

I can accept that. So how much should the Steelers be running the ball?


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 Post subject: Re: Turtling
PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 12:55 am 
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The mix of playcalling is not the issue.

It was the complete lack of flow and setting up the defense that got Haley fired. Just looking at the % of run/pass plays called is practically useless.

With Haley gone, Ben might finally have the record-breaking year he's always been capable of.

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