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Fraudlin’s responsibility lies with the team, not any individual player. Bell’s conduct over the years has been really selfish, me first, make a rap song, yada yada. One week he sounds like a great teammate, the next week he sounds like a dickbag.

It’s no mystery that I don’t like Fraudlin’s coaching style. I don’t like that he seems to defer to the players “Le’veon Is gonna be Le’veon”. He needs to be less of the “cool parent” to these guys.


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Fraudlin’s responsibility lies with the team, not any individual player. Bell’s conduct over the years has been really selfish, me first, make a rap song, yada yada. One week he sounds like a great teammate, the next week he sounds like a dickbag.

It’s no mystery that I don’t like Fraudlin’s coaching style. I don’t like that he seems to defer to the players “Le’veon Is gonna be Le’veon”. He needs to be less of the “cool parent” to these guys.

What if it's in the interest of the team to make his insecure RB feel like the Coach believes in him 100%.

I swear, either the lot of you have never managed people in your life or your managing skills are highly questionable. It may be that Bell needs a father figure to set him straight, and it may be that he needs someone to believe in him, and it may well be that he needs both and not necessarily from the same person.

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 Post subject: Re: Bell to be tagged tomorrow
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I swear, either the lot of you have never managed people in your life or your managing skills are highly questionable. It may be that Bell needs a father figure to set him straight, and it may be that he needs someone to believe in him, and it may well be that he needs both and not necessarily from the same person.


I would NEVER go to an employee and tell them "if it were up to me, I'd give you a blank check" or anything that encourages them to demand a raise or find a better offer elsewhere. That's called shooting yourself in the foot.

Nothing wrong with telling Bell you believe in him or however you let him know. But there are WRONG ways to do it, and Dumblin chose the wrong way.

It's also really stupid because everyone knows Tomlin DOES have a role in these negotiations. He does have the ear of Colbert, so when he says "I'd give you a blank check", that's a HORRIBLE negotiating tactic....unless you're Bell or his agent.

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 Post subject: Re: Bell to be tagged tomorrow
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A grown man should never need a father figure to set himself straight. Give advice? Sure. Perhaps recommend a certain approach? Yes. Come off as pacifying while playing to the spoiled brats wants versus needs? Not a good move IMO because now you've created a frankenstein monster that will never be satisfied with anything. Part of being that parental influence/guardian/friend is to allow that adult to learn on his own. Even if it costs him dearly. Choices and consequences are what sets a man straight. Right now Bell is making the choice to do what he's doing. The consequence is yet to be revealed. Similarly, the consequences from the last encounter were not very beneficial to either side IMHO. Bell was rusty as a sunken battleship at the bottom of the Atlantic for several games. After all that posturing, Bell still wasn't able to generate a long term contract and he's still at square 1 a year later. Did he learn from those prior choices and consequences? Doesn't seem like it to me. I'd go as far as to say, Bell perpetuated the process and has wasted a lot of people's time and efforts. Ungrateful? Yes. Selfish? Yes. A year Older And Still No Long Term Contract? Yes. Wonder if these choices will be good consequences or bad?


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 Post subject: Re: Bell to be tagged tomorrow
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Once again...Tomlin needs to be be more head coach/boss, less frat brother...
He should know better.
It speaks volumes that he doesn’t...

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 Post subject: Re: Bell to be tagged tomorrow
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
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Fraudlin’s responsibility lies with the team, not any individual player. Bell’s conduct over the years has been really selfish, me first, make a rap song, yada yada. One week he sounds like a great teammate, the next week he sounds like a dickbag.

It’s no mystery that I don’t like Fraudlin’s coaching style. I don’t like that he seems to defer to the players “Le’veon Is gonna be Le’veon”. He needs to be less of the “cool parent” to these guys.

What if it's in the interest of the team to make his insecure RB feel like the Coach believes in him 100%.

I swear, either the lot of you have never managed people in your life or your managing skills are highly questionable. It may be that Bell needs a father figure to set him straight, and it may be that he needs someone to believe in him, and it may well be that he needs both and not necessarily from the same person.



LOL. Insecure RB? What of Bell’s actions make you think he’s insecure?


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 Post subject: Re: Bell to be tagged tomorrow
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“If they don’t want to pay me long term, then let me go test the market,” Bell said about the big picture in an interview with ESPN on Monday, a day before the Steelers officially placed the franchise tag on Bell at a salary of $14.544 million. http://www.espn.com/blog/pittsburgh-ste ... test-worth

Yeah, why don't they? :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Bell to be tagged tomorrow
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I guess I'm in the minority in this. As a fan I want the team to pay the least they have to on a player. It's simple math for the team. Why in the world folks are upset the team hasn't signed a RB that is holding off on signing a fair deal while he is going to make $26 million over last year and next is pretty silly. I want the team to sign great players at the least amount they have to. I'm not a fan of specific players...I'm a fan of the Pittsburgh Steelers.


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 Post subject: Re: Bell to be tagged tomorrow
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
Orangesteel wrote:
Fraudlin’s responsibility lies with the team, not any individual player. Bell’s conduct over the years has been really selfish, me first, make a rap song, yada yada. One week he sounds like a great teammate, the next week he sounds like a dickbag.

It’s no mystery that I don’t like Fraudlin’s coaching style. I don’t like that he seems to defer to the players “Le’veon Is gonna be Le’veon”. He needs to be less of the “cool parent” to these guys.

What if it's in the interest of the team to make his insecure RB feel like the Coach believes in him 100%.

I swear, either the lot of you have never managed people in your life or your managing skills are highly questionable. It may be that Bell needs a father figure to set him straight, and it may be that he needs someone to believe in him, and it may well be that he needs both and not necessarily from the same person.


This isn't really in doubt.


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 Post subject: Re: Bell to be tagged tomorrow
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Kodiak wrote:
bradshaw2ben wrote:
I swear, either the lot of you have never managed people in your life or your managing skills are highly questionable. It may be that Bell needs a father figure to set him straight, and it may be that he needs someone to believe in him, and it may well be that he needs both and not necessarily from the same person.


I would NEVER go to an employee and tell them "if it were up to me, I'd give you a blank check" or anything that encourages them to demand a raise or find a better offer elsewhere. That's called shooting yourself in the foot.

Nothing wrong with telling Bell you believe in him or however you let him know. But there are WRONG ways to do it, and Dumblin chose the wrong way.

It's also really stupid because everyone knows Tomlin DOES have a role in these negotiations. He does have the ear of Colbert, so when he says "I'd give you a blank check", that's a HORRIBLE negotiating tactic....unless you're Bell or his agent.


I agree with this 100 percent. There is a huge chasm between encouraging and building someone up and going to the lengths Tomlin supposedly reached for with his blank check BS. It's not hard to encourage people without telling them they are the best thing since sliced bread, most of us do it on the daily. Homie needs to read the room a bit better in this instance his audience wasn't ready for that level of hyperbole.


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 Post subject: Re: Bell to be tagged tomorrow
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Kodiak wrote:
bradshaw2ben wrote:
I swear, either the lot of you have never managed people in your life or your managing skills are highly questionable. It may be that Bell needs a father figure to set him straight, and it may be that he needs someone to believe in him, and it may well be that he needs both and not necessarily from the same person.


I would NEVER go to an employee and tell them "if it were up to me, I'd give you a blank check" or anything that encourages them to demand a raise or find a better offer elsewhere. That's called shooting yourself in the foot.

Nothing wrong with telling Bell you believe in him or however you let him know. But there are WRONG ways to do it, and Dumblin chose the wrong way.

It's also really stupid because everyone knows Tomlin DOES have a role in these negotiations. He does have the ear of Colbert, so when he says "I'd give you a blank check", that's a HORRIBLE negotiating tactic....unless you're Bell or his agent.


I agree with this 100 percent. There is a huge chasm between encouraging and building someone up and going to the lengths Tomlin supposedly reached for with his blank check BS. It's not hard to encourage people without telling them they are the best thing since sliced bread, most of us do it on the daily. Homie needs to read the room a bit better in this instance his audience wasn't ready for that level of hyperbole.


If we're admitting it's hyperbole, then the point (absent of furthering an existing agenda) of getting pissed off about it is, what, exactly?


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 Post subject: Re: Bell to be tagged tomorrow
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If we're admitting it's hyperbole, then the point (absent of furthering an existing agenda) of getting pissed off about it is, what, exactly?


Aside from more evidence Tomlin isn't good at his job, I'm not sure what your point is.

Telling someone you'd give them a blank check is how you HANDLE someone, and not how you manage someone. There is nothing about that statement that reflects well on Tomlin. But nuthuggers gonna nuthug....

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Aside from more evidence Tomlin isn't good at his job, I'm not sure what your point is.


The agenda to which I was referring. Cowher once said almost exactly the same thing to Jerome Bettis, for instance.


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 Post subject: Re: Bell to be tagged tomorrow
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If Bell doesn't shut his yap, I can envision the franchise tag being recinded and a couple of free agents signed. There are a number of free agent running backs around with production equal to Bell's. Save the $14m and sign a RB plus a WR for half the money.


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Ice wrote:
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Aside from more evidence Tomlin isn't good at his job, I'm not sure what your point is.


The agenda to which I was referring. Cowher once said almost exactly the same thing to Jerome Bettis, for instance.


Funny, I don't remember Bettis holding out or turning down a contract offer...

Like I said, you're ignoring how Cowher handled this with Hines Ward. Hines Ward came to camp. Stop making excuses for Tomlin - being a buddy is not being a leader or coach.

There's no agenda - just pointing out facts. Where's your link of Cowher telling holdouts he'd give them a blank check? Yeah, when you write it plainly and simply it sounds really fucking stupid (because it is).

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 Post subject: Re: Bell to be tagged tomorrow
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
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Fraudlin’s responsibility lies with the team, not any individual player. Bell’s conduct over the years has been really selfish, me first, make a rap song, yada yada. One week he sounds like a great teammate, the next week he sounds like a dickbag.

It’s no mystery that I don’t like Fraudlin’s coaching style. I don’t like that he seems to defer to the players “Le’veon Is gonna be Le’veon”. He needs to be less of the “cool parent” to these guys.

What if it's in the interest of the team to make his insecure RB feel like the Coach believes in him 100%.

I swear, either the lot of you have never managed people in your life or your managing skills are highly questionable. It may be that Bell needs a father figure to set him straight, and it may be that he needs someone to believe in him, and it may well be that he needs both and not necessarily from the same person.


B2B...please...that was not a display of good management skills by Mike Tomlin.

Plenty of other ways to encourage Bell other than feeding into his over-estimation of his own worth.

The Eagles and Patriots reached the Super Bowl paying a stable of six running backs a total of about $4 million and got comparable production. Bell’s a very good player, but it’s not a team-breaker if he walks.

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 Post subject: Re: Bell to be tagged tomorrow
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B2B...please...that was not a display of good management skills by Mike Tomlin.


Your problem is that you're being objective. When you realize Tomlin can do no wrong and isn't accountable for anything....well, forget anything you know about management and just simply admire Mike Tomlin.

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Aside from more evidence Tomlin isn't good at his job, I'm not sure what your point is.


The agenda to which I was referring. Cowher once said almost exactly the same thing to Jerome Bettis, for instance.


Funny, I don't remember Bettis holding out or turning down a contract offer...

Like I said, you're ignoring how Cowher handled this with Hines Ward. Hines Ward came to camp. Stop making excuses for Tomlin - being a buddy is not being a leader or coach.

There's no agenda - just pointing out facts. Where's your link of Cowher telling holdouts he'd give them a blank check? Yeah, when you write it plainly and simply it sounds really fucking stupid (because it is).


Cowher telling Bettis "This is your f***ing city, I'm going to keep you here for a while" is on about 1,000 NFLN special productions. It's about the same level of hyperbole, if not a little higher, than you are accusing Tomlin of. If you don't remember Hines' antics, well, I'd have to guess you're being a little selective. Have to agree to disagree, I guess.


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Cowher telling Bettis "This is your f***ing city, I'm going to keep you here for a while" is on about 1,000 NFLN special productions. It's about the same level of hyperbole, if not a little higher, than you are accusing Tomlin of. If you don't remember Hines' antics, well, I'd have to guess you're being a little selective. Have to agree to disagree, I guess.


Bettis wasn't a hold out. And didn't hold out. Big fucking difference, wouldn't you agree?

Cowher called up Hines and got him in camp. Cowher was 100X the leader Tomlin pretends to be.

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 Post subject: Re: Bell to be tagged tomorrow
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I am hoping that re-structuring Tuit and Decastro
And then re-structring AB.
Releasing Gay,
And maybe Mitchell and Wilcox.
With Ben a possible extension - redcution in 2018 cap hit....................


Is not all to help fit a new contract for Bell.

Trade him to Cleveland for some of their 2nd and 3rd round picks.

The Browns have the first pick of the 2nd round ( 33 ) third pick of 2nd round ( 35 ) and last pick in round 2 ( 64 )
And they have the first pick in the 3rd round ( 65 )
And 1st pick of 4th round ( 101 ) 23rd pick of 4th round ( 123 )
And 1st pick of 5th round ( 138 )



Holly crap.

1 ( 1 )
1 ( 4 )
2 ( 33 )
2 ( 35 )
2 ( 64 )
3 ( 65 )
4 ( 101 )
4 ( 123 )
5 ( 138 )

Nine of first 138 picks.

I will take picks 33 and 64 for Bell.
Or 35 and 65

Would they trade that away for Bell?
Do not under estimate a team that would love to grab Bell to play against the Steelers twice a year with a chance for both the Browns and Bell to stick it to the Steelers.
Of course Bell would have to work out a long term deal with the Browns, but the Browns have loads of Cash and Bell wants loads of cash.

How about picks 33 and 101 for Bell.
Or 64 and 65.

Draft a Sony Michel with one of those picks and spend the $14.5 million on a safety, ILB, 4th WR and vet RB

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I missed have missed something, did Tomlin make some sort of outlandish comment about Bell and/or his worth?


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Wow Ice...that is really stretching things.

He said that to Bettis...in 1996...Bettis’ FIRST YEAR HERE.

He didn’t say that in a contract year!

And it’s nowhere close to what Tomlin said to Bell.

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Read earlier posts.

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I missed have missed something, did Tomlin make some sort of outlandish comment about Bell and/or his worth?


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Holding this against Tomlin is classic nitpicking. I would hope Bell is smart to realize it was a form of flattery and not meant to be taken literally. This will have next to 0 impact on contract negotiations.

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Holding this against Tomlin is classic nitpicking. I would hope Bell is smart to realize it was a form of flattery and not meant to be taken literally. This will have next to 0 impact on contract negotiations.


This. Coaches do this all the time.


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