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 Post subject: Re: Kiper Mock 2.0
PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 10:51 am 
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I'm not going to lie. He has a little stiffness to him. But that could be a partial illusion due to his long arms and length. I will say he didn't look stiff at all dropping into zone and locating crossers. As I've always said about ILB. If you're getting engaged by OL coming off clean in a 1 on 1 situation, well, you can probably count on 1 hand the number of ILBs that can regularly defeat that and look good doing it in the last decade.


Farrior was a LB that could not take on a Olineman but he has Big Snack handling that problem. Shazier could not take on a lineman. He just outran them.

The question will be is LVE athletic enough to avoid Olineman and make the play in the gap?

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:10 pm 
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B2B my brother if you don't have a way to stop the run than pass coverage is meaningless.

Just to be clear I think LVE sucks.

He sucks against the run...He sucks in coverage.

Best comp I've seen


Sure, if a guy CAN'T stop the run, then his coverage is meaningless. But, by the same token, if he's really good at stopping the run but can't cover, then he's just going to give up bigger plays.

Point is: ILBs have to have a minimum threshold of above average at both skills and hopefully one outlier set, right? Or they have to be able to be developed to be that guy.

I mean, hell, Ryan Shazier wasn't good at either in college, really... and we'd all take him back in a heartbeat right about now.

I'm not sure about LVE or any of the ILB prospects in terms of who has the skills... I think it has to be about: who has the traits that you can get to above average at both and maybe really good at coverage also. Therefore, I'm looking at who is really good in coverage and then seeing how they play the run and trying to get a feel for: are they a liability? Do they need to be clean? Can they take on blocks? Do they take false steps? For me-- for the Steelers-- it has to start with coverage, I think. Two different ways of trying to get to the same goal.

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 Post subject: Re: Kiper Mock 2.0
PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:57 pm 
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http://steelerswire.usatoday.com/2018/0 ... as-stingy/
Pittsburgh cannot seemingly escape the portrayal that dogged them almost 20 years ago in some quarters.


http://steelerswire.usatoday.com/2018/0 ... -steelers/
First round | Marcus Allen | S | Penn State

Second round | Mike Hughes | CB | UCF

Third round | Uchenna Nwosu | EDGE | USC


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 1:07 pm 
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jebrick wrote:
R S wrote:
I'm not going to lie. He has a little stiffness to him. But that could be a partial illusion due to his long arms and length. I will say he didn't look stiff at all dropping into zone and locating crossers. As I've always said about ILB. If you're getting engaged by OL coming off clean in a 1 on 1 situation, well, you can probably count on 1 hand the number of ILBs that can regularly defeat that and look good doing it in the last decade.


Farrior was a LB that could not take on a Olineman but he has Big Snack handling that problem. Shazier could not take on a lineman. He just outran them.

The question will be is LVE athletic enough to avoid Olineman and make the play in the gap?


I agree, that is the question. Technique, instinct, football IQ. All factors.

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 Post subject: Re: Kiper Mock 2.0
PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:29 pm 
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Steelafan77 wrote:
http://steelerswire.usatoday.com/2018/02/22/unfair-and-inaccurate-to-characterize-steelers-organization-as-stingy/
Pittsburgh cannot seemingly escape the portrayal that dogged them almost 20 years ago in some quarters.


http://steelerswire.usatoday.com/2018/0 ... -steelers/
First round | Marcus Allen | S | Penn State

Second round | Mike Hughes | CB | UCF

Third round | Uchenna Nwosu | EDGE | USC


First time I've seen Allen mocked to us in the 1st (gags).


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 6:02 pm 
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Steelafan77 wrote:
http://steelerswire.usatoday.com/2018/02/22/unfair-and-inaccurate-to-characterize-steelers-organization-as-stingy/
Pittsburgh cannot seemingly escape the portrayal that dogged them almost 20 years ago in some quarters.


http://steelerswire.usatoday.com/2018/0 ... -steelers/
First round | Marcus Allen | S | Penn State

Second round | Mike Hughes | CB | UCF

Third round | Uchenna Nwosu | EDGE | USC


First time I've seen Allen mocked to us in the 1st (gags).

That is some truly lazy shit reportage.

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 Post subject: Re: Kiper Mock 2.0
PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 6:14 pm 
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Will Fury’s version of the movie Split be up and running draft night?

The “chat room?”

We have our own Kevin, Barry and Hedwig who will all want to comment on our picks.

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 Post subject: Re: Kiper Mock 2.0
PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 12:54 am 
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Will Fury’s version of the movie Split be up and running draft night?

The “chat room?”

We have our own Kevin, Barry and Hedwig who will all want to comment on our picks.


Harry Potter's owl does draft commentary? That's worth an upgrade to the premium level room.


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