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 Post subject: Re: Mitchell and Wilcox expected to be released
PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:45 am 
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Steelafan77 wrote:
Not surprising IMHO. Mitchell didn't earn his salary last season or for the season before so why keep him around. The other reason is dude has proven he's a bit immature for such an established veteran. Not the kind of leadership I want the younger guys being influenced by. Wilcox blew goat nuts. Not sure if he even wants to play football. Didn't look like it to me. Going to a new club I would've thought he'd be unstoppable trying to make his brand. He couldn't find the field very often and when he did he was undisciplined and callus. Perhaps he's still very raw I don't know. He is not worthy of the current salary he's expected to collect on the 2018 season. Perhaps release him and bring him back at a much more realistic 1 year prove it contract. With the new DB coach it only makes sense to jettison the poor example [Mitchell] and overpaid ne'er-do-well [Wilcox] giving coach Bradley a new slate with guys that are proven they're buying into the plan. That all said, that leaves this defense very little depth at safety. Davis, R. Golden and Dangerfield are those proven try hard guys. WTF Colbert? The future reserve guy isn't counted out either. Malik Golden. Talk about Bare bones. They almost have to sign a FA safety before the draft and draft a safety to go into the 2018 season.

I wonder if Allen is in the plans for the safety spot - he certainly has the size. I know they like him, but may really see him as a CB only, not sure.


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 Post subject: Re: Mitchell and Wilcox expected to be released
PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 12:08 pm 
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Not surprising IMHO. Mitchell didn't earn his salary last season or for the season before so why keep him around. The other reason is dude has proven he's a bit immature for such an established veteran. Not the kind of leadership I want the younger guys being influenced by. Wilcox blew goat nuts. Not sure if he even wants to play football. Didn't look like it to me. Going to a new club I would've thought he'd be unstoppable trying to make his brand. He couldn't find the field very often and when he did he was undisciplined and callus. Perhaps he's still very raw I don't know. He is not worthy of the current salary he's expected to collect on the 2018 season. Perhaps release him and bring him back at a much more realistic 1 year prove it contract. With the new DB coach it only makes sense to jettison the poor example [Mitchell] and overpaid ne'er-do-well [Wilcox] giving coach Bradley a new slate with guys that are proven they're buying into the plan. That all said, that leaves this defense very little depth at safety. Davis, R. Golden and Dangerfield are those proven try hard guys. WTF Colbert? The future reserve guy isn't counted out either. Malik Golden. Talk about Bare bones. They almost have to sign a FA safety before the draft and draft a safety to go into the 2018 season.

I wonder if Allen is in the plans for the safety spot - he certainly has the size. I know they like him, but may really see him as a CB only, not sure.

I think he'll be the replacement for Willie Gay in the dime. He fits that spot very well.

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 Post subject: Re: Mitchell and Wilcox expected to be released
PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 12:21 pm 
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Scunge wrote:
This hasn't happened yet so fingers crossed. I was expecting both to happen and to happen pretty quickly before the March frenzy started.

When you factor in the cost of say a first or second round pick safety (either a $1 million cap hit, or a $750K cap hit) and the cost of a low draft pick/UDFA ($555K cap hit), that combined $8.125 million from cutting Mitchell and Wilcox comes out to the $6.5 million neighborhood in terms of true cap space created.

I know people will beat that tired old drum that they did this so that they can sign Bell or have the money needed to franchise Bell, but I think there are other considerations too.

Rosie Nix and Chris Boswell and maybe Chris Hubbard (?).

They just gave Rosie a 4 year contract. It was 4 years for $7 million (6.975 million to be precise). That makes him the 4th highest paid FB in the NFL. I think he is easily a Pro Bowl quality special teams player and has a chance to be a multi-dimensional FB who can block and also run and catch, be more involved in the offense.

Boswell, easily one of the best place kickers in the NFL right now. I think the Steelers reward him and he is given a nice new contact. How much? The top 4 contracts are for $16, 16, 17 and 22 million. I am thinking that they give Boz a 4 year $17-18 million contract.

Hubbard. Gilbert only has 2 years left on his deal and became injury prone again, and also was suspended for 4 games for performance enhancing drugs. AND was also grumbling about not being paid enough. Hmmm. As much as l love Gilbert when he is healthy and starting, that is a lot of uncertainty. The NFL is tough and the tackle position even more so, we have a great trio in Big Al, Gilbert and Hubbard. Maybe they keep Hubbard and phase out Gilbert after this year? Maybe Hubbard resigns if he thinks he can be the starter by 2019? I am thinking he might get 4 years $18-20 million.

That $6.5 million in cap space created by cutting Wilcox and Mitchell could be used to give Rosie Nix, Chris Boswell and Chris Hubbard new contracts.

Scunge, I've been thinking the same thing, especially regarding Hubbard. He's almost 4 years younger, more reliable, almost as good and position flexible in a pinch. The big question with this I guess is, what do they see in Hawkins (they spent a 4th on)? If he is projecting as a future starting RT in a year, then Hubs is gone. If true, can't keep 'em all, I guess. I also wonder if Gilbert being close friends with Joe Haden and big reason he signed with us will play a factor into all of this.

Boz will get paid soon enough.


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 Post subject: Re: Mitchell and Wilcox expected to be released
PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 12:32 pm 
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
DP39 wrote:
Steelafan77 wrote:
Not surprising IMHO. Mitchell didn't earn his salary last season or for the season before so why keep him around. The other reason is dude has proven he's a bit immature for such an established veteran. Not the kind of leadership I want the younger guys being influenced by. Wilcox blew goat nuts. Not sure if he even wants to play football. Didn't look like it to me. Going to a new club I would've thought he'd be unstoppable trying to make his brand. He couldn't find the field very often and when he did he was undisciplined and callus. Perhaps he's still very raw I don't know. He is not worthy of the current salary he's expected to collect on the 2018 season. Perhaps release him and bring him back at a much more realistic 1 year prove it contract. With the new DB coach it only makes sense to jettison the poor example [Mitchell] and overpaid ne'er-do-well [Wilcox] giving coach Bradley a new slate with guys that are proven they're buying into the plan. That all said, that leaves this defense very little depth at safety. Davis, R. Golden and Dangerfield are those proven try hard guys. WTF Colbert? The future reserve guy isn't counted out either. Malik Golden. Talk about Bare bones. They almost have to sign a FA safety before the draft and draft a safety to go into the 2018 season.

I wonder if Allen is in the plans for the safety spot - he certainly has the size. I know they like him, but may really see him as a CB only, not sure.

I think he'll be the replacement for Willie Gay in the dime. He fits that spot very well.

Sounds about right, b2b2. So, with Haden, Burns, Hilton, Sutton and Allen they're about set at CB. I think they have real plans for Davis at FS. If so, who do you like as a realistic FA SS? If both MM and Wilcox are gone and Golden/Dangerfield as backups, you know Colbert will grab at least one in FA before the draft.


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 Post subject: Re: Mitchell and Wilcox expected to be released
PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 12:39 pm 
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Bradley McDougald? Kind of thinking he'll re-sign with Seattle but he would kind of fit their profile.

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 Post subject: Re: Mitchell and Wilcox expected to be released
PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 2:14 pm 
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Kodiak wrote:
Unfortunately, many of us have already anticipated Mitchell being cut and then brought back at a reduced salary.

Second, none of this matters. Unless Colbert hits the lottery two or three times, Mike Tomlin is in complete command of that defense. That's all you need to know to see that Tomlin has been a free rider on the talent of some players and coaches. His fingerprints are all over an awful defense - that's what Mike Tomlin brings to the table.


Well, that and WR bubble screens...

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 Post subject: Re: Mitchell and Wilcox expected to be released
PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 3:06 pm 
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Wonder if Gay will take over?


Sweet Jesus I hope not


There was an article stating that maybe Cam Sutton would get a chance @ the FS spot. Apparently his football IQ is off the chain.


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 Post subject: Re: Mitchell and Wilcox expected to be released
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Stillcajun wrote:
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Wonder if Gay will take over?


Sweet Jesus I hope not


There was an article stating that maybe Cam Sutton would get a chance @ the FS spot. Apparently his football IQ is off the chain.

We'd still need a SS in that scenario. Besides, Cam should be starting over Artie Burns.

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 Post subject: Re: Mitchell and Wilcox expected to be released
PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 3:44 pm 
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Stillcajun wrote:
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Wonder if Gay will take over?


Sweet Jesus I hope not


There was an article stating that maybe Cam Sutton would get a chance @ the FS spot. Apparently his football IQ is off the chain.


Interesting.

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 Post subject: Re: Mitchell and Wilcox expected to be released
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
Besides, Cam should be starting over Artie Burns.


I agree, but Cam to FS might not be the worst route to go. You've got Haden and Hilton, so if Burns pulls his head out of his ass you really only need a SS (assuming Allen can be your dime guy stepping in for Gay). That has the potential to be at least an above average secondary.

I think that gives us a shot (with a hypothetical different coaching staff) with an R1 and R2 starter out of the draft at either OLB, ILB and SS.

I realize the Burns situation really isn't comparable to Ike. But Ike had his growing pains and then the light went on. Maybe Burns had lingering effects from a bad concussion, and with the cobwebs finally clearing maybe he won't worry so much about CTE.

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