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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency
PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 9:08 am 
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Don't hold your breath. Live sports, the NFL specifically, are still so far ahead of scripted content in terms of being DVR-proof that advertisers flock to those broadcasts.


Why do you assume advertisers care whether someone watches a progam live or on DVR?

TV, or cable programming, in general is on major decline. That HAS to impact the next CBA negotiation.

Live vs. a scripted program and you think that doesn’t make a difference to advertisers? I can only go by my experience. I do not see or hear 1 commercial when it’s not live and a lot of the time (Pens games) - I watch it delayed so I can sift through ADS and in between periods bullshit.


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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency
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Live vs. a scripted program and you think that doesn’t make a difference to advertisers? I can only go by my experience. I do not see or hear 1 commercial when it’s not live and a lot of the time (Pens games) - I watch it delayed so I can sift through ADS and in between periods bullshit.


That's a fair point, though I'm not sure it's as significant as you think since commercials for sporting events are often time for trips to the fridge, bathroom breaks and checking your phone.

But advertiser DEFINITELY care about eyeballs, and the trend is less and less people watching the NFL. It was down like 10% in 2016, and then like another 10% or more from that last year.

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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency
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Terms: The #Patriots traded for WR Cordarrelle Patterson, while swapping a 5th round pick for a #Raiders 6th round pick.


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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency
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Terms: The #Patriots traded for WR Cordarrelle Patterson, while swapping a 5th round pick for a #Raiders 6th round pick.

Translation: they got one of the better kick return guys-- who is actually better than nothing as a WR-- for next to nothing. He has led the NFL in KR avg three years out of the 5 he's been in the league. He also had 430 yards from scrimmage on only 34 touches... which blows away what any of our WRs not named AB, JuJu, or Martavis Bryant. We could have traded our late 5th for the Raiders 6th and barely noticed.

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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency
PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:30 pm 
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Kodiak wrote:
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Don't hold your breath. Live sports, the NFL specifically, are still so far ahead of scripted content in terms of being DVR-proof that advertisers flock to those broadcasts.


Why do you assume advertisers care whether someone watches a progam live or on DVR?

TV, or cable programming, in general is on major decline. That HAS to impact the next CBA negotiation.


Uh...because they do?

You can skip commercials on DVR.

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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency
PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:33 pm 
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Kodiak wrote:
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Live vs. a scripted program and you think that doesn’t make a difference to advertisers? I can only go by my experience. I do not see or hear 1 commercial when it’s not live and a lot of the time (Pens games) - I watch it delayed so I can sift through ADS and in between periods bullshit.


That's a fair point, though I'm not sure it's as significant as you think since commercials for sporting events are often time for trips to the fridge, bathroom breaks and checking your phone.

But advertiser DEFINITELY care about eyeballs, and the trend is less and less people watching the NFL. It was down like 10% in 2016, and then like another 10% or more from that last year.


Both UFC and WWE are expected to get new tv deals this year that exceed their current deals by quite a lot.

Live event programming is superior to scripted programming when it comes to ads. And what live programs are people more likely to sit down and watch live as opposed to DVRing later? Sports.

Even if the NFL declines it is still so far and away better for advertisers than anything else networks can put on at that time that networks will continue to pay a premium for the right to air games.

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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency
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Terms: The #Patriots traded for WR Cordarrelle Patterson, while swapping a 5th round pick for a #Raiders 6th round pick.

Translation: they got one of the better kick return guys-- who is actually better than nothing as a WR-- for next to nothing. He has led the NFL in KR avg three years out of the 5 he's been in the league. He also had 430 yards from scrimmage on only 34 touches... which blows away what any of our WRs not named AB, JuJu, or Martavis Bryant. We could have traded our late 5th for the Raiders 6th and barely noticed.




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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency
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Speed guy who can get deep but also brings him a Great KR I agree nice move


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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency
PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 10:24 pm 
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Wonder if the Steelers will bring in any more free agents for visits


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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency
PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:13 pm 
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Even if the NFL declines it is still so far and away better for advertisers than anything else networks can put on at that time that networks will continue to pay a premium for the right to air games.


It's not growing. The year-over-year declines are HUGE. They pay for eyeballs, so that means the TV contracts WILL take a big hit. Ratings declines =/= price increases. You're trying to way overcomplicate a very, very simple concept.

Neither you nor I know anything about the conversion rates per dollar spent - which is the metric that matters. If 1/10th of people view my spot on a cable show vs. an NFL game, but it costs me 1/20th of what the NFL game does....do I need to spell out that math for you?

If my adds on NFL games are now viewed by less than 80% of the people it was just a few years ago, do I really need to show you how that math works? People increasingly cutting the cord does not mean advertisers are going to hold their television outlay constant, much less pay more for less return. Those dollars are following the eyeballs to other mediums.

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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency
PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:43 am 
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Kodiak wrote:
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Even if the NFL declines it is still so far and away better for advertisers than anything else networks can put on at that time that networks will continue to pay a premium for the right to air games.


It's not growing. The year-over-year declines are HUGE. They pay for eyeballs, so that means the TV contracts WILL take a big hit. Ratings declines =/= price increases. You're trying to way overcomplicate a very, very simple concept.

Neither you nor I know anything about the conversion rates per dollar spent - which is the metric that matters. If 1/10th of people view my spot on a cable show vs. an NFL game, but it costs me 1/20th of what the NFL game does....do I need to spell out that math for you?

If my adds on NFL games are now viewed by less than 80% of the people it was just a few years ago, do I really need to show you how that math works? People increasingly cutting the cord does not mean advertisers are going to hold their television outlay constant, much less pay more for less return. Those dollars are following the eyeballs to other mediums.


WWE ratings have declined and they will be getting a higher money deal than their last deal.

UFC ratings have declined and they will be getting a record breaking deal this time out.

The NFL, despite losing viewers, remains the biggest ratings heavyweight in all of television. If you want to reach millions of viewers....you advertise during the NFL.

Networks dont care about ratings as much as they care about how much they can charge for advertising.

With live sports being the only dvr-proof game in town...the highest ad rates will remain on NFL games.

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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency
PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:22 pm 
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I remember when it cost 200 bucks to run a three day classified in a major local paper.

The reliance on advertisers to bail out unsound economic judgment will come to a similar natural death.

I don't think there is any way to stop people from watching games for free.

You'll know it's over when over-50s routinely cut the cord and use streaming services only.

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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency
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JPP Traded to Bucs

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2268 ... l-barnwell


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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency
PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 3:43 pm 
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Dan Smith--BYU wrote:
I remember when it cost 200 bucks to run a three day classified in a major local paper.

The reliance on advertisers to bail out unsound economic judgment will come to a similar natural death.

I don't think there is any way to stop people from watching games for free.

You'll know it's over when over-50s routinely cut the cord and use streaming services only.


I’m over 50 and if I can just convince my wife to give up a few shows she feels she must have and aren’t available for streaming, I’ll be a cord-cutter.

8-)

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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency
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Dan Smith--BYU wrote:
I remember when it cost 200 bucks to run a three day classified in a major local paper.

The reliance on advertisers to bail out unsound economic judgment will come to a similar natural death.

I don't think there is any way to stop people from watching games for free.

You'll know it's over when over-50s routinely cut the cord and use streaming services only.


My parents 60s cut the cord last year. Its begun.

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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency
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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency
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fortythree wrote:
Networks dont care about ratings as much as they care about how much they can charge for advertising.


BINGO. Now allow me to talk with FACTS, rather than pulling shit out of my ass.

NFL advertising dollars [total] were down 1.2% last year, and will probably be down again next year given the decline in ratings. That DOES NOT equate to a bigger deal, unless you have no understanding of economics.

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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency
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Jeemie wrote:
Dan Smith--BYU wrote:
I remember when it cost 200 bucks to run a three day classified in a major local paper.

The reliance on advertisers to bail out unsound economic judgment will come to a similar natural death.

I don't think there is any way to stop people from watching games for free.

You'll know it's over when over-50s routinely cut the cord and use streaming services only.


I’m over 50 and if I can just convince my wife to give up a few shows she feels she must have and aren’t available for streaming, I’ll be a cord-cutter.

8-)

What shows are not available for streaming?

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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
Jeemie wrote:
Dan Smith--BYU wrote:
I remember when it cost 200 bucks to run a three day classified in a major local paper.

The reliance on advertisers to bail out unsound economic judgment will come to a similar natural death.

I don't think there is any way to stop people from watching games for free.

You'll know it's over when over-50s routinely cut the cord and use streaming services only.


I’m over 50 and if I can just convince my wife to give up a few shows she feels she must have and aren’t available for streaming, I’ll be a cord-cutter.

8-)

What shows are not available for streaming?


She watches a bunch of weird veterinarian shows on Nat Geo Wild. If they’re available for streaming, I haven’t found them.

I could cut the cord right now. I watch sports and news and that is it.

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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency
PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2018 10:11 am 
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http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/_/streams/ngw/

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By the way, my friend has been working on Dr. Pol since the beginning and another is developing a rancher show-- I did a horse racing show with the Dr. Pol guy and almost worked on both.

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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency
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http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/_/streams/ngw/

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By the way, my friend has been working on Dr. Pol since the beginning and another is developing a rancher show-- I did a horse racing show with the Dr. Pol guy and almost worked on both.


Yes...but to watch those streams don't you have to have to have a TV subscription?

Or can you pay a bunch of ala carte fees to each of the streaming channels you'd like to look at and it'll still be cheaper than a TV/Internet bundle?

Finally...need to find an Internet provider that doesn't gouge me for not having a TV bundle with it.

So maybe I'm not quite ready to cut the cord as I haven't done all the research yet.

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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency
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Jeemie wrote:
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http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/_/streams/ngw/

?

By the way, my friend has been working on Dr. Pol since the beginning and another is developing a rancher show-- I did a horse racing show with the Dr. Pol guy and almost worked on both.


Yes...but to watch those streams don't you have to have to have a TV subscription?

Or can you pay a bunch of ala carte fees to each of the streaming channels you'd like to look at and it'll still be cheaper than a TV/Internet bundle?

Finally...need to find an Internet provider that doesn't gouge me for not having a TV bundle with it.

So maybe I'm not quite ready to cut the cord as I haven't done all the research yet.

You can get something like slingTV, although Nat Geo might be available on Hulu or Amazon... I'm not sure. Still less expensive to a la carte, depending on your specific needs. It's related to my professional business, so I have Hulu, Amazon Prime, Netflix, Showtime, & HBO, along with a low-priced internet and a digital tv antenna. I can't remember the last time I couldn't watch something I wanted to watch, occasionally with some further digging online.

EDIT: Dr. Pol is available with Hulu subscription, so I'm guessing other Nat Geo shows are, as well.

https://gowatchit.com/watch/shows/the-i ... -pol-26670

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Nat Geo is a channel you get with DirectTV. Dr. Pol is on all the time.


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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
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http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/_/streams/ngw/

?

By the way, my friend has been working on Dr. Pol since the beginning and another is developing a rancher show-- I did a horse racing show with the Dr. Pol guy and almost worked on both.


Yes...but to watch those streams don't you have to have to have a TV subscription?

Or can you pay a bunch of ala carte fees to each of the streaming channels you'd like to look at and it'll still be cheaper than a TV/Internet bundle?

Finally...need to find an Internet provider that doesn't gouge me for not having a TV bundle with it.

So maybe I'm not quite ready to cut the cord as I haven't done all the research yet.

You can get something like slingTV, although Nat Geo might be available on Hulu or Amazon... I'm not sure. Still less expensive to a la carte, depending on your specific needs. It's related to my professional business, so I have Hulu, Amazon Prime, Netflix, Showtime, & HBO, along with a low-priced internet and a digital tv antenna. I can't remember the last time I couldn't watch something I wanted to watch, occasionally with some further digging online.

EDIT: Dr. Pol is available with Hulu subscription, so I'm guessing other Nat Geo shows are, as well.

https://gowatchit.com/watch/shows/the-i ... -pol-26670


Do you know where I can look for cheap unbundled Internet?

Can easily get off my phone as we have everyone call the cell anyway.

And I already have a Netflix and get Amazon Prime for half off since my kid’s in college.

Almost there!

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Michael Thomas from Miami has signed a two year deal with the NYG.


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