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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency
PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 5:43 am 
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Wow.

I have always said, if there wasn’t a cap in the NFL, the Steelers would have similar problems the Pirates are having. The Steelers wouldn’t be as bad as the Pirates because they make more money, but there is no way they could compete with large market teams if the NFL was set up like Major League Baseball. Hell - this article proves they are having trouble competing within a cap.

They are a draft and develop tteam. They want to keep their coaches and establish stability. They want to draft players, sign them to long term deals, and keep the good ones as long as possible - they sell stability and family.

Forget free agency - that article was eye opening. Now we know why they wait until the free agency period is over and the bargain hunting.

I am not saying they can’t win like this, but it will be harder to acquire complimentary pieces to get over the hump to win a championship like what they are experiencing right now.

Also - I will never understand why they are not agressive in acquiring more draft picks each year? That’s their meal ticket - why not have a system. Why haven’t we been developing young quarterbacks under Ben and trading them for picks? Why aren’t we trading down to acquire future picks or recognizing early on that there was no way in helll they were signing Bell and moving him for picks?


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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency
PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 8:29 am 
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I think with a franchise QB and a full cap it becomes a big problem to pay the FA. The Steelers made splashes in FA when they did not have a franchise QB or were not paying him. The only outside FA splash I can think of post Ben's $C2 is Haden. There are not many teams with franchise QB on a $C2+ that are making a big splash in FA. Maybe GB, who is drafting 14th this year.

Then ask yourself how many of the big named/paid FA play out those contracts and how do they help their team. The Steelers are paying FA for performance.

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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency
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What's funny is Not One, not a single Steelers FA has received any interest since being released from Pittsburgh. I fuck'n wonder why? Could be they all Suck! Pathetic. Even Sammie Coates was claimed off waivers after being cut from the stains.


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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency
PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 10:33 am 
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Suwanee88 wrote:
Orangesteel wrote:

Wow.

I have always said, if there wasn’t a cap in the NFL, the Steelers would have similar problems the Pirates are having. The Steelers wouldn’t be as bad as the Pirates because they make more money, but there is no way they could compete with large market teams if the NFL was set up like Major League Baseball. Hell - this article proves they are having trouble competing within a cap.

They are a draft and develop tteam. They want to keep their coaches and establish stability. They want to draft players, sign them to long term deals, and keep the good ones as long as possible - they sell stability and family.

Forget free agency - that article was eye opening. Now we know why they wait until the free agency period is over and the bargain hunting.

I am not saying they can’t win like this, but it will be harder to acquire complimentary pieces to get over the hump to win a championship like what they are experiencing right now.

Also - I will never understand why they are not agressive in acquiring more draft picks each year? That’s their meal ticket - why not have a system. Why haven’t we been developing young quarterbacks under Ben and trading them for picks? Why aren’t we trading down to acquire future picks or recognizing early on that there was no way in helll they were signing Bell and moving him for picks?


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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency
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Suwanee88 wrote:
Also - I will never understand why they are not agressive in acquiring more draft picks each year? That’s their meal ticket - why not have a system. Why haven’t we been developing young quarterbacks under Ben and trading them for picks? Why aren’t we trading down to acquire future picks or recognizing early on that there was no way in helll they were signing Bell and moving him for picks?


That's one thing I'll never understand.

The Steelers FO are not in danger of losing their jobs. They could and should be taking a long term view to their draft capital. They're not like a majority of the teams where you've got these new GMs needing to make a splash otherwise their ass is on the line.

Given how much they depend on the draft, and given how hit or miss it can be, acquiring more chances at the roulette table is huge. But we do the opposite of that. We never trade down, never take advantage of teams who would give up future picks for an immediate return, we run to the damn podium every time to get these superstars who "fall" like Bud Dupree who the rest of the league stupidly pass on since we're so much smarter, or we sit tight and let teams around us move in front of us and take guys we're a pick or two away from getting, like WJ3.

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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency
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Suwanee88 wrote:
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Wow.

I have always said, if there wasn’t a cap in the NFL, the Steelers would have similar problems the Pirates are having. The Steelers wouldn’t be as bad as the Pirates because they make more money, but there is no way they could compete with large market teams if the NFL was set up like Major League Baseball. Hell - this article proves they are having trouble competing within a cap.

They are a draft and develop tteam. They want to keep their coaches and establish stability. They want to draft players, sign them to long term deals, and keep the good ones as long as possible - they sell stability and family.

Forget free agency - that article was eye opening. Now we know why they wait until the free agency period is over and the bargain hunting.

I am not saying they can’t win like this, but it will be harder to acquire complimentary pieces to get over the hump to win a championship like what they are experiencing right now.

Also - I will never understand why they are not agressive in acquiring more draft picks each year? That’s their meal ticket - why not have a system. Why haven’t we been developing young quarterbacks under Ben and trading them for picks? Why aren’t we trading down to acquire future picks or recognizing early on that there was no way in helll they were signing Bell and moving him for picks?


I don't know. I'd have to see a breakdown of where all the revenue comes from. In terms of a fanbase, the Steelers have a much larger one than most. Polar opposite of the Pirates. If the NFL was set up with Revenue sharing, etc, like MLB, I think the Steelers would be fine. (unless hey had an owner like Bob Nutting in this alternate universe)

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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency
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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency
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I don't know, it is a more complicated matter than what I read in that article.

True, the Steelers don't give out the large guaranteed money but they sort of do. I mean come on, Omar and the Steelers put those 2nd and sometimes 3rd year roster bonuses in all of their big contracts. Every year, like clockwork you see the Steelers restructure those roster bonuses. Heyward, Gilbert, DeCastro, Tuitt, Brown, Villanueva, they all sign their contracts and then in 8 months time they get restructured and see a nice payout in March.

Take for example Alejandro Villanueva.

Sure those cheap Steelers only gave him a $6.5 million signing bonus which was the only thing guaranteed. A 4 year $24 million contract with a $6.5 million signing bonus.

He signed that on July 27, 2017. But on March 18, 2018 they restructured his base salary and roster bonus and paid him $5.3 million.

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Al has already been paid out $13.3 million of that $24 million contract in less than 8 months time. Al got 55% of the money from his 4 year contract in just 8 months time.

I ask you, is that horrible? Seems pretty damn good to me.

Look at David DeCastro as another example. He signed for 5 years, $50 million, with only $16 million guaranteed (the signing bonus). He signed that contract on Sept 8th, 2016.

In just 16 months from the time that he signed that contract, DeCastro has already been paid $32.7 million of that $50 million contract (65%). Again, is that so awful? How dare the Steelers pay DeCastro 65% of the money in his contract in the first 16 months? :roll:

I see so many of these big free agent contracts handed out but how many of those players see all of the money coming to them? Mike Wallace left for $60 million from Miami, but didn't he only end up with about $27 million of that? That is more the norm and what these free agent players get when signing these big deals with more guaranteed money. What good is more money up front if you are cut in two years and don't see the entirety of the contract?

I wonder if DeCastro or Big Al feel cheated or that the Steelers are cheap? Like I said, more complicated then just saying Steelers are cheap and don't want to pay upfront money.

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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency
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Don't hold your breath. Live sports, the NFL specifically, are still so far ahead of scripted content in terms of being DVR-proof that advertisers flock to those broadcasts.


Why do you assume advertisers care whether someone watches a progam live or on DVR?

TV, or cable programming, in general is on major decline. That HAS to impact the next CBA negotiation.

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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency
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Don't hold your breath. Live sports, the NFL specifically, are still so far ahead of scripted content in terms of being DVR-proof that advertisers flock to those broadcasts.


Why do you assume advertisers care whether someone watches a progam live or on DVR?

TV, or cable programming, in general is on major decline. That HAS to impact the next CBA negotiation.

Live vs. a scripted program and you think that doesn’t make a difference to advertisers? I can only go by my experience. I do not see or hear 1 commercial when it’s not live and a lot of the time (Pens games) - I watch it delayed so I can sift through ADS and in between periods bullshit.


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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency
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Live vs. a scripted program and you think that doesn’t make a difference to advertisers? I can only go by my experience. I do not see or hear 1 commercial when it’s not live and a lot of the time (Pens games) - I watch it delayed so I can sift through ADS and in between periods bullshit.


That's a fair point, though I'm not sure it's as significant as you think since commercials for sporting events are often time for trips to the fridge, bathroom breaks and checking your phone.

But advertiser DEFINITELY care about eyeballs, and the trend is less and less people watching the NFL. It was down like 10% in 2016, and then like another 10% or more from that last year.

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Terms: The #Patriots traded for WR Cordarrelle Patterson, while swapping a 5th round pick for a #Raiders 6th round pick.


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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency
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Terms: The #Patriots traded for WR Cordarrelle Patterson, while swapping a 5th round pick for a #Raiders 6th round pick.

Translation: they got one of the better kick return guys-- who is actually better than nothing as a WR-- for next to nothing. He has led the NFL in KR avg three years out of the 5 he's been in the league. He also had 430 yards from scrimmage on only 34 touches... which blows away what any of our WRs not named AB, JuJu, or Martavis Bryant. We could have traded our late 5th for the Raiders 6th and barely noticed.

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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency
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Kodiak wrote:
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Don't hold your breath. Live sports, the NFL specifically, are still so far ahead of scripted content in terms of being DVR-proof that advertisers flock to those broadcasts.


Why do you assume advertisers care whether someone watches a progam live or on DVR?

TV, or cable programming, in general is on major decline. That HAS to impact the next CBA negotiation.


Uh...because they do?

You can skip commercials on DVR.

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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency
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Kodiak wrote:
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Live vs. a scripted program and you think that doesn’t make a difference to advertisers? I can only go by my experience. I do not see or hear 1 commercial when it’s not live and a lot of the time (Pens games) - I watch it delayed so I can sift through ADS and in between periods bullshit.


That's a fair point, though I'm not sure it's as significant as you think since commercials for sporting events are often time for trips to the fridge, bathroom breaks and checking your phone.

But advertiser DEFINITELY care about eyeballs, and the trend is less and less people watching the NFL. It was down like 10% in 2016, and then like another 10% or more from that last year.


Both UFC and WWE are expected to get new tv deals this year that exceed their current deals by quite a lot.

Live event programming is superior to scripted programming when it comes to ads. And what live programs are people more likely to sit down and watch live as opposed to DVRing later? Sports.

Even if the NFL declines it is still so far and away better for advertisers than anything else networks can put on at that time that networks will continue to pay a premium for the right to air games.

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Terms: The #Patriots traded for WR Cordarrelle Patterson, while swapping a 5th round pick for a #Raiders 6th round pick.

Translation: they got one of the better kick return guys-- who is actually better than nothing as a WR-- for next to nothing. He has led the NFL in KR avg three years out of the 5 he's been in the league. He also had 430 yards from scrimmage on only 34 touches... which blows away what any of our WRs not named AB, JuJu, or Martavis Bryant. We could have traded our late 5th for the Raiders 6th and barely noticed.




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Speed guy who can get deep but also brings him a Great KR I agree nice move


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Wonder if the Steelers will bring in any more free agents for visits


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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency
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Even if the NFL declines it is still so far and away better for advertisers than anything else networks can put on at that time that networks will continue to pay a premium for the right to air games.


It's not growing. The year-over-year declines are HUGE. They pay for eyeballs, so that means the TV contracts WILL take a big hit. Ratings declines =/= price increases. You're trying to way overcomplicate a very, very simple concept.

Neither you nor I know anything about the conversion rates per dollar spent - which is the metric that matters. If 1/10th of people view my spot on a cable show vs. an NFL game, but it costs me 1/20th of what the NFL game does....do I need to spell out that math for you?

If my adds on NFL games are now viewed by less than 80% of the people it was just a few years ago, do I really need to show you how that math works? People increasingly cutting the cord does not mean advertisers are going to hold their television outlay constant, much less pay more for less return. Those dollars are following the eyeballs to other mediums.

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Even if the NFL declines it is still so far and away better for advertisers than anything else networks can put on at that time that networks will continue to pay a premium for the right to air games.


It's not growing. The year-over-year declines are HUGE. They pay for eyeballs, so that means the TV contracts WILL take a big hit. Ratings declines =/= price increases. You're trying to way overcomplicate a very, very simple concept.

Neither you nor I know anything about the conversion rates per dollar spent - which is the metric that matters. If 1/10th of people view my spot on a cable show vs. an NFL game, but it costs me 1/20th of what the NFL game does....do I need to spell out that math for you?

If my adds on NFL games are now viewed by less than 80% of the people it was just a few years ago, do I really need to show you how that math works? People increasingly cutting the cord does not mean advertisers are going to hold their television outlay constant, much less pay more for less return. Those dollars are following the eyeballs to other mediums.


WWE ratings have declined and they will be getting a higher money deal than their last deal.

UFC ratings have declined and they will be getting a record breaking deal this time out.

The NFL, despite losing viewers, remains the biggest ratings heavyweight in all of television. If you want to reach millions of viewers....you advertise during the NFL.

Networks dont care about ratings as much as they care about how much they can charge for advertising.

With live sports being the only dvr-proof game in town...the highest ad rates will remain on NFL games.

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I remember when it cost 200 bucks to run a three day classified in a major local paper.

The reliance on advertisers to bail out unsound economic judgment will come to a similar natural death.

I don't think there is any way to stop people from watching games for free.

You'll know it's over when over-50s routinely cut the cord and use streaming services only.

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JPP Traded to Bucs

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I remember when it cost 200 bucks to run a three day classified in a major local paper.

The reliance on advertisers to bail out unsound economic judgment will come to a similar natural death.

I don't think there is any way to stop people from watching games for free.

You'll know it's over when over-50s routinely cut the cord and use streaming services only.


I’m over 50 and if I can just convince my wife to give up a few shows she feels she must have and aren’t available for streaming, I’ll be a cord-cutter.

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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency
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Dan Smith--BYU wrote:
I remember when it cost 200 bucks to run a three day classified in a major local paper.

The reliance on advertisers to bail out unsound economic judgment will come to a similar natural death.

I don't think there is any way to stop people from watching games for free.

You'll know it's over when over-50s routinely cut the cord and use streaming services only.


My parents 60s cut the cord last year. Its begun.

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