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 Post subject: Re: Dump Mike Mitchell for Tre Boston
PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 6:21 pm 
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Alualu is quality depth and an important piece of what should be a Dline rotation.

Mitchell & Gay could be replaced with traffic cones and we’d get the same results.

Those two must be replaced.

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 Post subject: Re: Dump Mike Mitchell for Tre Boston
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The league HAS to give them an exemption for Shazier. Otherwise horrible PR all around.

Shazier, Mike Mitchell, Wilcox and DHB frees up just over $18M. That's how you get the money to tag Bell.

Gay and Alualu is nearly $5M more. Easily restructure Ben and/or AB if there's a FA worth going after.


Cut everybody! :lol:

Alualu was great for us this year, he's going nowhere. Would be shocked if DHB is gone as well, and ultimately don't think they cut Mitchell either. They'll draft a safety and groom 'em for '19.

Hey, a guy who thinks like a Rooney!

Sadly I agree that’s what they will do with Mitchell. Art I Don’t Have 2!


Mitchell is going nowhere until they're confident they've got his replacement.

This isn't the time of year when you start creating more holes. The Steelers will shore up their holes as best as they can going into the draft.

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 Post subject: Re: Dump Mike Mitchell for Tre Boston
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
It won't happen because of the timing and salary cap.

Steelers have to clear enough cap space to make Bell an offer-- they have to have the available cap space when they offer the franchise tag.

Even if they let Bell walk, they're $3M over the cap, so they have to make cuts/restructures before doing anything. Then there's the whole waiting to hear from the league office if they get any relief from Shazier's contract cap hit. This will take time.

Tre Boston will probably be one of the first FAs to sign, and we'll probably sign one of the last.

My guess? They will clear cap space, sign Bell to too big a deal, sign a bottom tier FA at ILB and and call it a day until the draft. Kevin Pierre-Louis at 3 yrs, 9M would have been a good bet... right up until he was arrested last week for marijuana possession.


They have time to get the restructuring done on Ben and Brown for at least $10M. After that, cutting Gay, Wilcox, and Mitchell frees up another $10M. These arent hard moves to make. Tuitt and Villinueva can be restructured too. There is nearly $50M in creatable space if they want to go that far so I don’t buy all of the salary cap problem statements. They can grab a quality veteran with or without that Shazier exemption.

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 Post subject: Re: Dump Mike Mitchell for Tre Boston
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They're now $10M under the cap, with today's restructuring.

Mitchell may get cut, but not before there is a replacement.

Bell is going to cost over $10M per, and I seriously doubt they're breaking up the band.

After today's maneuvering, if you cut Mitchell, Wilcox, & Gay AND extend Vance McDonald 2 years, you end up with:

$17,301,474 Without cutting Mitchell immediately, the number is: $11,511,474.

That's without re-signing Boswell, Eli Rigers, Ridley, Toussaint, Grimble, Canaday, or Chickillo.

If you can figure out a realistic way the number gets down and Lev Bell gets signed AND a decent FA S or ILB gets signed , I'm all ears.

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If you can figure out a realistic way the number gets down and Lev Bell gets signed AND a decent FA S or ILB gets signed , I'm all ears.


Are you counting Shazier? Because if they for some reason don't get an exemption, there will be an injury settlement. It's a business, and there's no way they can have Shazier count against the cap for $8M+.

Otherwise, they can push money out into future years until the cows come home. Cap space isn't really ever the question. It's always about how much you want to borrow from the future, and how much money each player is really worth.

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 Post subject: Re: Dump Mike Mitchell for Tre Boston
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
They're now $10M under the cap, with today's restructuring.

Mitchell may get cut, but not before there is a replacement.

Bell is going to cost over $10M per, and I seriously doubt they're breaking up the band.

After today's maneuvering, if you cut Mitchell, Wilcox, & Gay AND extend Vance McDonald 2 years, you end up with:

$17,301,474 Without cutting Mitchell immediately, the number is: $11,511,474.

That's without re-signing Boswell, Eli Rigers, Ridley, Toussaint, Grimble, Canaday, or Chickillo.

If you can figure out a realistic way the number gets down and Lev Bell gets signed AND a decent FA S or ILB gets signed , I'm all ears.

Certainly not easy but doable.

If Bell is on a long term deal his cap hit is more in the 6 or 7M range in the first year.

Boswell, Rogers, Chickillo, Grimble, and Canaday shouldn't cost you more than 5M total. Don't bring back the RBs.

Any time a currently unsigned player is signed, you're also dropping about $500K for the player that gets bumped out of the top 51. Signing all of those guys means about 3M less of an impact.

That leaves you about 8M (plus another few million for the addtional players that will be bumped out of the top 51) for FA and the draft, which probably means you can get get one high quality FA at ILB or FS, or fill those positions with lower end FAs.

If we somehow get an exemption on Shazier it opens up a ton of options to improve the team.


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 Post subject: Re: Dump Mike Mitchell for Tre Boston
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Honestly? There really are no free agents on defense that I am interested in. ILBs and Safeties are very, very average. This year to me is really one of the worst free agency offseasons that I can remember. People always say there is gold in them there hills, but I don't see it, not this year, all I see is plenty of fool's gold.

In terms of the cap:

They could extend Haden and free up $6-7 million.
They could extend McDonald and free up $2 million.
Big Al signed that contract last year and has a $3 million roster bonus, they could restructure that 3 plus 2 of his base and and free up $3.33 million.

We will lose Hubbard and Gilbert is only under contract for two more years. They could give him an extension and free up perhaps $2-3 million.

Antonio Brown has a roster bonus of $6 million, they could restructure that, spread it out over 4 years but that gives us $4.5 million of relief this year.

Ben can sign a one year extension, they can take his $5 million roster bonus this year and say $5 million of his base and spread that out over 3 years, result, $6.67 million.

Add all of that up and that is $26-27 million, not counting that Decastro and Tuitt restructures. Adding them means we are up to $35 million if the Steelers followed my directions.

Then yeah, you throw in the cuts, Wilcox is due $3.125 million, even with a rookie draft pick or UDFA with displacement, you subtract that but it still comes out to $2.6 million saved.

Mitchell only saves us $5 million by cutting his base salary, he restructured twice and we have to account for those prorated portions left. But even if we draft a first round pick at safety at the end of the round, he would only have a cap hit of some $1 million. So cutting Mitchell and drafting a first round safety saves us $4 million, if we draft a safety in round 2 that savings would be $4.25 million.

So, cutting Mitchell and Wilcox and replacing them with a high round draft pick and lowly draft pick or UDFA saves you $6.85 million.

I am now up around $42 million.

Cut Willie Gay and his $1.75 million, subtracting $555,000 for the player that replaces him, still is a savings of $1.2 million.
Cut Coty Sensabaugh and his $1.4 million, subtracting $555,000 for the player that replaces him, still a savings of $850,000.
Cut Hayward-Bey and his $1.2 million, subtracting $555,000 for the, etc, a savings of $650,000.

That is another $2.7 million. Hey, I am almost up to $45 million!!!

The Steelers even with having to absorb Bell and Shazier's numbers are still going to be in decent shape this year. I see them signing their own, like Rosie Nix and maybe Boz and then holding tight until the 2nd and 3rd waves of free agency. People get too stoked for the opening days of free agency in March and forget that it happens in waves.

Players become available after the draft, after cuts. How did we get Joe Haden and Vance McDonald last season? We didn't sign them in early March did we? No, we picked them up in August.

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 Post subject: Re: Dump Mike Mitchell for Tre Boston
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They're now $10M under the cap, with today's restructuring.

Mitchell may get cut, but not before there is a replacement.

Bell is going to cost over $10M per, and I seriously doubt they're breaking up the band.

After today's maneuvering, if you cut Mitchell, Wilcox, & Gay AND extend Vance McDonald 2 years, you end up with:

$17,301,474 Without cutting Mitchell immediately, the number is: $11,511,474.

That's without re-signing Boswell, Eli Rigers, Ridley, Toussaint, Grimble, Canaday, or Chickillo.

If you can figure out a realistic way the number gets down and Lev Bell gets signed AND a decent FA S or ILB gets signed , I'm all ears.

Certainly not easy but doable.

If Bell is on a long term deal his cap hit is more in the 6 or 7M range in the first year.

Boswell, Rogers, Chickillo, Grimble, and Canaday shouldn't cost you more than 5M total. Don't bring back the RBs.

Any time a currently unsigned player is signed, you're also dropping about $500K for the player that gets bumped out of the top 51. Signing all of those guys means about 3M less of an impact.

That leaves you about 8M (plus another few million for the addtional players that will be bumped out of the top 51) for FA and the draft, which probably means you can get get one high quality FA at ILB or FS, or fill those positions with lower end FAs.

If we somehow get an exemption on Shazier it opens up a ton of options to improve the team.


They can sign one quality FA, and that is before they restructure Ben and Brown... and they still may yet restructure Villanueva. Thats an extra $10 M right there. Although I don't expect them to go for a big name edge player.

I see enough room being created for a high quality safety, a Timmons/Bowman level LB, and a Tony McDaniel/Ahtyba Rubin/Star Loutuleli type reserve NT.

Then when it is draft day, the weak areas that were exploited in the playoffs have already gotten some immediate help. You can focus day 1/2 on edge rushers and cover LBs/safety hybrids. You are free on Day 3 to take home run swings at reserve WR/RB/OL.

I think they can, will, and have to manufacture space to be ACTIVE in free agency, but not OVERACTIVE.

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 Post subject: Re: Dump Mike Mitchell for Tre Boston
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
They're now $10M under the cap, with today's restructuring.

Mitchell may get cut, but not before there is a replacement.

Bell is going to cost over $10M per, and I seriously doubt they're breaking up the band.

After today's maneuvering, if you cut Mitchell, Wilcox, & Gay AND extend Vance McDonald 2 years, you end up with:

$17,301,474 Without cutting Mitchell immediately, the number is: $11,511,474.

That's without re-signing Boswell, Eli Rigers, Ridley, Toussaint, Grimble, Canaday, or Chickillo.

If you can figure out a realistic way the number gets down and Lev Bell gets signed AND a decent FA S or ILB gets signed , I'm all ears.


They've got to figure out something with Shazier. You can't take that nearly $9 million cap hit for a guy who most likely isn't going to play again.

If the NFL doesn't give a salary cap exemption, the Steelers need to re-sign him. 3-4 year deal with no guaranteed money in the last two years. It would lower his cap hit around 5-6 million for this year, give him more money upfront now, and after next season if he makes the decision to retire they can spread out his dead money over the remaining years.

A Ben extension could help as well. His cap hit is currently over $22 million for this year and next. Maybe he does like what Brady did in 2013 and gives the hometown discount to free up needed cap space. Brady's extension in 2013 freed them up $8 million cap space that coming season, $7 million the next. That would be unexpected, but huge.

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 Post subject: Re: Dump Mike Mitchell for Tre Boston
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Honestly? There really are no free agents on defense that I am interested in. ILBs and Safeties are very, very average. This year to me is really one of the worst free agency offseasons that I can remember. People always say there is gold in them there hills, but I don't see it, not this year, all I see is plenty of fool's gold.

In terms of the cap:

They could extend Haden and free up $6-7 million.
They could extend McDonald and free up $2 million.
Big Al signed that contract last year and has a $3 million roster bonus, they could restructure that 3 plus 2 of his base and and free up $3.33 million.

We will lose Hubbard and Gilbert is only under contract for two more years. They could give him an extension and free up perhaps $2-3 million.

Antonio Brown has a roster bonus of $6 million, they could restructure that, spread it out over 4 years but that gives us $4.5 million of relief this year.

Ben can sign a one year extension, they can take his $5 million roster bonus this year and say $5 million of his base and spread that out over 3 years, result, $6.67 million.

Add all of that up and that is $26-27 million, not counting that Decastro and Tuitt restructures. Adding them means we are up to $35 million if the Steelers followed my directions.

Then yeah, you throw in the cuts, Wilcox is due $3.125 million, even with a rookie draft pick or UDFA with displacement, you subtract that but it still comes out to $2.6 million saved.

Mitchell only saves us $5 million by cutting his base salary, he restructured twice and we have to account for those prorated portions left. But even if we draft a first round pick at safety at the end of the round, he would only have a cap hit of some $1 million. So cutting Mitchell and drafting a first round safety saves us $4 million, if we draft a safety in round 2 that savings would be $4.25 million.

So, cutting Mitchell and Wilcox and replacing them with a high round draft pick and lowly draft pick or UDFA saves you $6.85 million.

I am now up around $42 million.

Cut Willie Gay and his $1.75 million, subtracting $555,000 for the player that replaces him, still is a savings of $1.2 million.
Cut Coty Sensabaugh and his $1.4 million, subtracting $555,000 for the player that replaces him, still a savings of $850,000.
Cut Hayward-Bey and his $1.2 million, subtracting $555,000 for the, etc, a savings of $650,000.

That is another $2.7 million. Hey, I am almost up to $45 million!!!

The Steelers even with having to absorb Bell and Shazier's numbers are still going to be in decent shape this year. I see them signing their own, like Rosie Nix and maybe Boz and then holding tight until the 2nd and 3rd waves of free agency. People get too stoked for the opening days of free agency in March and forget that it happens in waves.

Players become available after the draft, after cuts. How did we get Joe Haden and Vance McDonald last season? We didn't sign them in early March did we? No, we picked them up in August.


I don't completely agree on the free agent class this year.

There aren't any difference makers, but a guy like Lamarcus Joyner would look pretty good back there making actual plays on the ball for a change. And Timmons is solid depth so you only need to draft one ILB and not 2. And while you can still get a good NT into the hopper in round 5 or 7, it would be nice to snag a veteran as well and start experimenting with multiple new looks.

While we are at it, we could even think about a guy like Tank Carradine or Kareem Martin as a mid tier depth player on the edge. We rarely open a season without at least 5 or 6 edges on the roster.

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 Post subject: Re: Dump Mike Mitchell for Tre Boston
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LeMarcus Joyner projected contract on spotrac:

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5 yrs, $53,247,260
Avg. Salary: $10,649,452
NFL Rank: 97
FS Rank: 3

a deal like that could have a cap hit as low as $3M this season.

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I think it's way more likely the Steelers acquire a couple of guys after the draft, much like last year.

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bradshaw2ben wrote:
It won't happen because of the timing and salary cap.

Steelers have to clear enough cap space to make Bell an offer-- they have to have the available cap space when they offer the franchise tag.

Even if they let Bell walk, they're $3M over the cap, so they have to make cuts/restructures before doing anything. Then there's the whole waiting to hear from the league office if they get any relief from Shazier's contract cap hit. This will take time.

Tre Boston will probably be one of the first FAs to sign, and we'll probably sign one of the last.

My guess? They will clear cap space, sign Bell to too big a deal, sign a bottom tier FA at ILB and and call it a day until the draft. Kevin Pierre-Louis at 3 yrs, 9M would have been a good bet... right up until he was arrested last week for marijuana possession.



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bradshaw2ben wrote:
I think it's way more likely the Steelers acquire a couple of guys after the draft, much like last year.


Exactly.

I also don't know why most people are assuming the restructures yesterday are for a Bell extension. Everything reported during the season and afterwards is that the Steelers plan to tag Bell and that they're not close on any extension. They have to have that room under the cap when they place him on the tag again.

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I personally want nothing to do with Timmons. He has definitely lost his step(s) and as far as I'm concerned they pulled the plug at the right time releasing him. Not even for depth. I think they target a ILB as B2B states after the draft and likely roll with Mitchell one more season ending their contract obligations with him after the 18 season. Drafting a Safety in this years draft is I think priority. Secondary is the weakest link on this defense. Sparingly play your high draft pick Safety for a season while he's able to acclimate himself on ST's. Perhaps have him part of certain defensive schemes where he's not asked to think a lot and just react.

Some available ILB's currently...

Jonathon Bostic
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Preston Brown
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https://walterfootball.com/freeagents2018S.php

Please tell me the MM replacement is on that list

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He may be long gone after the draft concludes but I take a long look at Terrence Brooks.


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Scunge wrote:
Honestly? There really are no free agents on defense that I am interested in. ILBs and Safeties are very, very average. This year to me is really one of the worst free agency offseasons that I can remember. People always say there is gold in them there hills, but I don't see it, not this year, all I see is plenty of fool's gold.

In terms of the cap:

They could extend Haden and free up $6-7 million.
They could extend McDonald and free up $2 million.
Big Al signed that contract last year and has a $3 million roster bonus, they could restructure that 3 plus 2 of his base and and free up $3.33 million.

We will lose Hubbard and Gilbert is only under contract for two more years. They could give him an extension and free up perhaps $2-3 million.

Antonio Brown has a roster bonus of $6 million, they could restructure that, spread it out over 4 years but that gives us $4.5 million of relief this year.

Ben can sign a one year extension, they can take his $5 million roster bonus this year and say $5 million of his base and spread that out over 3 years, result, $6.67 million.

Add all of that up and that is $26-27 million, not counting that Decastro and Tuitt restructures. Adding them means we are up to $35 million if the Steelers followed my directions.

Then yeah, you throw in the cuts, Wilcox is due $3.125 million, even with a rookie draft pick or UDFA with displacement, you subtract that but it still comes out to $2.6 million saved.

Mitchell only saves us $5 million by cutting his base salary, he restructured twice and we have to account for those prorated portions left. But even if we draft a first round pick at safety at the end of the round, he would only have a cap hit of some $1 million. So cutting Mitchell and drafting a first round safety saves us $4 million, if we draft a safety in round 2 that savings would be $4.25 million.

So, cutting Mitchell and Wilcox and replacing them with a high round draft pick and lowly draft pick or UDFA saves you $6.85 million.

I am now up around $42 million.

Cut Willie Gay and his $1.75 million, subtracting $555,000 for the player that replaces him, still is a savings of $1.2 million.
Cut Coty Sensabaugh and his $1.4 million, subtracting $555,000 for the player that replaces him, still a savings of $850,000.
Cut Hayward-Bey and his $1.2 million, subtracting $555,000 for the, etc, a savings of $650,000.

That is another $2.7 million. Hey, I am almost up to $45 million!!!

The Steelers even with having to absorb Bell and Shazier's numbers are still going to be in decent shape this year. I see them signing their own, like Rosie Nix and maybe Boz and then holding tight until the 2nd and 3rd waves of free agency. People get too stoked for the opening days of free agency in March and forget that it happens in waves.

Players become available after the draft, after cuts. How did we get Joe Haden and Vance McDonald last season? We didn't sign them in early March did we? No, we picked them up in August.

What about the player escalators at least 2 players will receive in 2018? James and Bryant both receive them. Increasing their combined cap hit to $2.5Mil...
Do you try and offer C2's or do you absorb the cap hit and play them out?


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Scunge wrote:
Honestly? There really are no free agents on defense that I am interested in. ILBs and Safeties are very, very average. This year to me is really one of the worst free agency offseasons that I can remember. People always say there is gold in them there hills, but I don't see it, not this year, all I see is plenty of fool's gold.

In terms of the cap:

They could extend Haden and free up $6-7 million.
They could extend McDonald and free up $2 million.
Big Al signed that contract last year and has a $3 million roster bonus, they could restructure that 3 plus 2 of his base and and free up $3.33 million.

We will lose Hubbard and Gilbert is only under contract for two more years. They could give him an extension and free up perhaps $2-3 million.

Antonio Brown has a roster bonus of $6 million, they could restructure that, spread it out over 4 years but that gives us $4.5 million of relief this year.

Ben can sign a one year extension, they can take his $5 million roster bonus this year and say $5 million of his base and spread that out over 3 years, result, $6.67 million.

Add all of that up and that is $26-27 million, not counting that Decastro and Tuitt restructures. Adding them means we are up to $35 million if the Steelers followed my directions.

Then yeah, you throw in the cuts, Wilcox is due $3.125 million, even with a rookie draft pick or UDFA with displacement, you subtract that but it still comes out to $2.6 million saved.

Mitchell only saves us $5 million by cutting his base salary, he restructured twice and we have to account for those prorated portions left. But even if we draft a first round pick at safety at the end of the round, he would only have a cap hit of some $1 million. So cutting Mitchell and drafting a first round safety saves us $4 million, if we draft a safety in round 2 that savings would be $4.25 million.

So, cutting Mitchell and Wilcox and replacing them with a high round draft pick and lowly draft pick or UDFA saves you $6.85 million.

I am now up around $42 million.

Cut Willie Gay and his $1.75 million, subtracting $555,000 for the player that replaces him, still is a savings of $1.2 million.
Cut Coty Sensabaugh and his $1.4 million, subtracting $555,000 for the player that replaces him, still a savings of $850,000.
Cut Hayward-Bey and his $1.2 million, subtracting $555,000 for the, etc, a savings of $650,000.

That is another $2.7 million. Hey, I am almost up to $45 million!!!

The Steelers even with having to absorb Bell and Shazier's numbers are still going to be in decent shape this year. I see them signing their own, like Rosie Nix and maybe Boz and then holding tight until the 2nd and 3rd waves of free agency. People get too stoked for the opening days of free agency in March and forget that it happens in waves.

Players become available after the draft, after cuts. How did we get Joe Haden and Vance McDonald last season? We didn't sign them in early March did we? No, we picked them up in August.

What about the player escalators at least 2 players will receive in 2018? James and Bryant both receive them. Increasing their combined cap hit to $2.5Mil...
Do you try and offer C2's or do you absorb the cap hit and play them out?


James is an unathletic JAG that is a 3rd or 4 TE. No way would I ever offer him C2. They should be drafting his replacement. Bryant is a drug risk. He should be playing out this contract to prove he can stay clean. If so, then extend.


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I personally want nothing to do with Timmons. He has definitely lost his step(s) and as far as I'm concerned they pulled the plug at the right time releasing him. Not even for depth. I think they target a ILB as B2B states after the draft and likely roll with Mitchell one more season ending their contract obligations with him after the 18 season. Drafting a Safety in this years draft is I think priority. Secondary is the weakest link on this defense. Sparingly play your high draft pick Safety for a season while he's able to acclimate himself on ST's. Perhaps have him part of certain defensive schemes where he's not asked to think a lot and just react.

Some available ILB's currently...

Jonathon Bostic
Todd Davis
Preston Brown
Anthony Hictchens
Avery Williamson
Corey Nelson
Ben Heeney


We aren't winning a super bowl with Mike Mitchell as the starting free safety.... as such, he needs to be GONE this year and replaced with a veteran who will actually prevent big plays.

We have the money to do it. They just need to restructure guys. If its not done, its another example of buffoonery.

As far as Timmons goes, I disagree with him being a lost cause. I think he can give you solid work on run downs. He and Vince Williams give you a good sable of Buck linebackers.

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 Post subject: Re: Dump Mike Mitchell for Tre Boston
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We won a super bowl with Kendall Simmons, Chris Kemoeatu, Justin Hartwig, Willie Colon, & freaking Darnell Stapleton. I think it's unlikely Mike Mitchell is a Super Bowl-quality S, but impossible to rule out.

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 Post subject: Re: Dump Mike Mitchell for Tre Boston
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We won a super bowl with Kendall Simmons, Chris Kemoeatu, Justin Hartwig, Willie Colon, & freaking Darnell Stapleton. I think it's unlikely Mike Mitchell is a Super Bowl-quality S, but impossible to rule out.


That really was a pathetic unit.

Nothing will convince me that Mitchell fits in anymore. He can play as a box safety somewhere else. He makes no plays on the ball, and he doesnt tackle well down the field. He is a one trick pony - guy can draw PI calls and generate bulletin board material. Time to move on.

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 Post subject: Re: Dump Mike Mitchell for Tre Boston
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 Post subject: Re: Dump Mike Mitchell for Tre Boston
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Mitchell is a SS that can’t cover a TE or slot, so he can’t play in the box... but he also is late in zone coverage which makes him ineffective as a FS.

Davis is probably more FS, although he, too, struggles in zone, so he’s forced to play out of position at SS, where his lack of build makes him sucsceptible to getting run over and out positioned by TEs.

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 Post subject: Re: Dump Mike Mitchell for Tre Boston
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All to true, B2B, funny how the times I have seen Davis playing deep and is able to read the QB and see routes develop, playing centerfield so to speak, he was able to make plays on the ball. This guy is supposed to be smart, speaks 3 languages, and I know he has the requisite speed and athletic ability, yet the Steelers are playing him out of position. He is not an in the box safety, not a beastly run stuffer. You put him back on the backend of the secondary and I think you have a much different and better player.

Also, it is amazing to me the player that Mike Mitchell was that last year in Carolina. They actually played him close to the line of scrimmage, used him a lot to blitz and get sacks.

This is what Mitchell did that year for Carolina, 72 tackles, 4 INTs, 2 FF, 10 passes defensed, and 4 sacks in just 14 games started. What the hell happened to that playmaker? I have always thought that the Steelers never really put Mitchell in the best position to be successful. Of course now injuries and time have taken their toll on Mitchell and he has fallen considerably as a player. Even so, something is wrong when you clearly have players like Davis and Mitchell miscast and playing out of position. Hopefully, maybe Bradley makes a difference and brings a fresh set of eyes and perspective and questions why these players have been miscast in their roles.

In terms of Jesse James and/or Bryant getting some sort of escalators/money based on performance or playing time? That is news to me. Both are going to have a hard time/rough sledding with Vance McDonald and JuJu getting more and more comfortable with Ben. James and Bryant are living on borrowed time, I can see both being off the team in 2019.

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