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 Post subject: Re: Bouchette: Bell/Steelers not close to a deal
PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:03 am 
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totally agree. It is better for the team to let Bell walk then to pay him more than $10M per year.


But ONLY if you can use that money for an impact player on defense. Otherwise why are you making your team worse to save some money....for what?

The cap is projected to increase another $7-$10M this year. I don't think there are going to be many (if any) studs available on defense - the guys who are worth the big bucks are getting resigned.....the rest usually have some major issues or are already declining in a significant way.



maybe try to trade some present and future draft capital and/or bell to move way up in the draft and take a real stud sideline to sideline replacement for Shazier, a guy like Georgias Roquan Smith.


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 Post subject: Re: Bouchette: Bell/Steelers not close to a deal
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maybe try to trade some present and future draft capital and/or bell to move way up in the draft and take a real stud sideline to sideline replacement for Shazier, a guy like Georgias Roquan Smith.


Not a bad idea. I don't think Bell, given his contract demands along with $14.5M franchise tag, is going to bring huge value in a trade. And, of course, he has to actually sign the tag to even do the deal you're talking about.

It's a passing league - they have to fix the secondary. We really didn't lose to JAX because of an inability to stop the run, it was big passing play one after another. CHI beat us because we couldn't stop the run, but that was your typical egg lay on the road early in the season.

ILB is a big need, don't get me wrong. But that really won't fix our safeties. Our corners could be fine, if Burns pulls his head out of his ass and Sutton develops and stays healthy. Burns/Haden/Sutton/Hilton is pretty decent if you had even average safety play behind them.

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 Post subject: Re: Bouchette: Bell/Steelers not close to a deal
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Kodiak wrote:
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maybe try to trade some present and future draft capital and/or bell to move way up in the draft and take a real stud sideline to sideline replacement for Shazier, a guy like Georgias Roquan Smith.


Not a bad idea. I don't think Bell, given his contract demands along with $14.5M franchise tag, is going to bring huge value in a trade. And, of course, he has to actually sign the tag to even do the deal you're talking about.

It's a passing league - they have to fix the secondary. We really didn't lose to JAX because of an inability to stop the run, it was big passing play one after another. CHI beat us because we couldn't stop the run, but that was your typical egg lay on the road early in the season.

ILB is a big need, don't get me wrong. But that really won't fix our safeties. Our corners could be fine, if Burns pulls his head out of his ass and Sutton develops and stays healthy. Burns/Haden/Sutton/Hilton is pretty decent if you had even average safety play behind them.



Theres a few good and better safety options in free agency over Mitchell, at ILB, not so much, Roquan Smith is a do it all speed ILB in the mold of #50


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 Post subject: Re: Bouchette: Bell/Steelers not close to a deal
PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:21 am 
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Theres a few good and better safety options in free agency over Mitchell, at ILB, not so much, Roquan Smith is a do it all speed ILB in the mold of #50


We need both a FS and SS....and we have to do A LOT better than Mitchell.

Don't get your hopes up on ILB....VWill and Timmons are going to be your 2018 starterse :lol:

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Kodiak wrote:
I really like the idea of Hyde, with Conner backing up and maybe pick-up a specialist or 3rd down guy in FA or the draft.

But will Hyde actually make it to FA? the 49ers have $116M in cap space currently. Which ALSO makes an interesting trading partner for Bell - we tag and trade Bell, and they sign Hyde to a long-term deal and eat additional cap on him to actually trade some cap dollars to PIT (again, too cutting edge for Colbert).

Hyde is probably just not worth tagging for SF, but they figure to easily match anything reasonable Hyde gets. The only exception would be they could go after Bell in a big way. And I bet they would love to bring in a guy like Bell with Garappalo.


It's funny, isn't it?

Bell on our team might hurt our Super Bowl chances.

Bell on the 49ers with Garappalo turns them into contenders.

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 Post subject: Re: Bouchette: Bell/Steelers not close to a deal
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Kodiak wrote:
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Theres a few good and better safety options in free agency over Mitchell, at ILB, not so much, Roquan Smith is a do it all speed ILB in the mold of #50


We need both a FS and SS....and we have to do A LOT better than Mitchell.

Don't get your hopes up on ILB....VWill and Timmons are going to be your 2018 starterse :lol:



oh without a doubt, they wont be doing what im suggesting, just spitballing here...and while we re at it, dont get your hopes up too much on a Mitchell replacement either, because Tomlin may not got be able to secure the approval of the real head man in charge...EMR


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 Post subject: Re: Bouchette: Bell/Steelers not close to a deal
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GreekSteel wrote:
...and while we re at it, dont get your hopes up too much on a Mitchell replacement either,


No doubt. His cap number made getting cut a done deal....then it was pointed out he could take a big paycut to stay. :oops:

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 Post subject: Re: Bouchette: Bell/Steelers not close to a deal
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Kodiak wrote:
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...and while we re at it, dont get your hopes up too much on a Mitchell replacement either,


No doubt. His cap number made getting cut a done deal....then it was pointed out he could take a big paycut to stay. :oops:


This is the worst part of it all.

Cutting Bell rather than paying him $14+ M per makes the most sense logically when you think what this team has to do.

But that's all predicated on trusting the coaching staff to make the correct changes elsewhere on the team...and I, for one, don't trust them.

I mean...Mitchell was so godawful bad, I wouldn't keep him if he paid the Steelers to play.

The staff and FO probably don't see it that way.

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 Post subject: Re: Bouchette: Bell/Steelers not close to a deal
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Kodiak wrote:
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Theres a few good and better safety options in free agency over Mitchell, at ILB, not so much, Roquan Smith is a do it all speed ILB in the mold of #50


We need both a FS and SS....and we have to do A LOT better than Mitchell.

Don't get your hopes up on ILB....VWill and Timmons are going to be your 2018 starterse :lol:

My bets on VWill and Spence... but same point.

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 Post subject: Re: Bouchette: Bell/Steelers not close to a deal
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I do not mean to hijack the thread.

I was not a Ryan Shazier fan as a player.

If you are looking for a Ryan Shazier clone let me introduce you too....Jerome Baker


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 Post subject: Re: Bouchette: Bell/Steelers not close to a deal
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FC wrote:
I do not mean to hijack the thread.

I was not a Ryan Shazier fan as a player.

If you are looking for a Ryan Shazier clone let me introduce you too....Jerome Baker





Your opinion on Roquan Smith FC?


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 Post subject: Re: Bouchette: Bell/Steelers not close to a deal
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I'll give you mine: 2 down player in the NFL

Roquan is an unbelievable downhill player. Like, tremendous.

But as soon as you get past his rear view mirrors, he's pedestrian. Gave up at least 2 bad TDs in coverage during CFB playoffs.

Roquan would be an awesome buck but he's not going to be replacing Shazier at the Mack.

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 Post subject: Re: Bouchette: Bell/Steelers not close to a deal
PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:51 pm 
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Jeemie wrote:
Both Super Bowl teams had RB by committee.

Bell either signs a reasonable deal, or let him walk, fix the D, and learn how to get better production out of RB by committee.

Tomlin wants to prove he's a good coach?

Stop trying to load up at star players at every position so you can coast by on them.


Great idea. let's get mediocre players at every position and really make it a challenge.

I kid.

No RB is worth $15M per. Skill position players on balance are vastly over rated and over paid. Interesting thought that the best skill guys on both Pats and Eagles are TEs

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 Post subject: Re: Bouchette: Bell/Steelers not close to a deal
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I'll give you mine: 2 down player in the NFL

Roquan is an unbelievable downhill player. Like, tremendous.

But as soon as you get past his rear view mirrors, he's pedestrian. Gave up at least 2 bad TDs in coverage during CFB playoffs.

Roquan would be an awesome buck but he's not going to be replacing Shazier at the Mack.




interesting take, hes been drawing alot of comps to pat willis lately..i know draft time buzz and all everyone gets built up to be the next great thing


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 Post subject: Re: Bouchette: Bell/Steelers not close to a deal
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GreekSteel wrote:
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I'll give you mine: 2 down player in the NFL

Roquan is an unbelievable downhill player. Like, tremendous.

But as soon as you get past his rear view mirrors, he's pedestrian. Gave up at least 2 bad TDs in coverage during CFB playoffs.

Roquan would be an awesome buck but he's not going to be replacing Shazier at the Mack.




interesting take, hes been drawing alot of comps to pat willis lately..i know draft time buzz and all everyone gets built up to be the next great thing

I have 3 Macks ahead of him and 3-4 at bout the same tier... as a Mack. As a Buck, he's #1, easily.

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 Post subject: Re: Bouchette: Bell/Steelers not close to a deal
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
GreekSteel wrote:
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I'll give you mine: 2 down player in the NFL

Roquan is an unbelievable downhill player. Like, tremendous.

But as soon as you get past his rear view mirrors, he's pedestrian. Gave up at least 2 bad TDs in coverage during CFB playoffs.

Roquan would be an awesome buck but he's not going to be replacing Shazier at the Mack.




interesting take, hes been drawing alot of comps to pat willis lately..i know draft time buzz and all everyone gets built up to be the next great thing

I have 3 Macks ahead of him and 3-4 at bout the same tier... as a Mack. As a Buck, he's #1, easily.




Van der Esch? Edmunds?


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 Post subject: Re: Bouchette: Bell/Steelers not close to a deal
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Wait for the draft to find out :)

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 Post subject: Re: Bouchette: Bell/Steelers not close to a deal
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TB wrote:
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The problem is: we don't even have one above average RB on the roster at this moment.


with $15,000,000.00, we can easily buy a very good RB committee, plus sign several impact D players.


Not really.


Why not?

Lewis/Blunt/White collectively make less than $5M/year

add 2 solid guys on Defense at $5M/ year each

there's your $15M


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 Post subject: Re: Bouchette: Bell/Steelers not close to a deal
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Theres a few good and better safety options in free agency over Mitchell, at ILB, not so much, Roquan Smith is a do it all speed ILB in the mold of #50


We need both a FS and SS....and we have to do A LOT better than Mitchell.

Don't get your hopes up on ILB....VWill and Timmons are going to be your 2018 starterse :lol:

My bets on VWill and Spence... but same point.
FUck no. Spence should retire, and VWill is quality depth only.

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My bets on VWill and Spence... but same point.
FUck no. Spence should retire, and VWill is quality depth only.[/quote]

He's a solid role player....Larry Foote-type. And that's what that position is in this defense. They need to replace Shazier, and probably Dudpree.

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 Post subject: Re: Bouchette: Bell/Steelers not close to a deal
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While I would rather let Bell walk than FT him, I don't think we will.
It ties up our cap to the point where we can't get any help at FS or ILB.
KC doesn't like going into a draft with major holes. He has 2 on defense.

If Bell stays via the FT, we will obviously get a 3rd comp next year.
Look for us to pull off a trade similar to what they did with Shamarko years back.
We trade our original 2019 3rd for a mid-4th this year. That makes up for the McDonald trade.


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 Post subject: Re: Bouchette: Bell/Steelers not close to a deal
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Time to cut bait with the Le'veon Bell clown show. Let him try to find his greener pastures.

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We need a LOLB, MLB, and FS in the worst possible way. If Hargrave continues to suck and the injury rumor was a myth...we have real problems at NT too.

Dumping 14 million on a RB in today's NFL is insanity. With 14 million you can fix 2 positions on D and sign a decent RB free agent. We have to stop the insanity around Bell.


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We need a LOLB, MLB, and FS in the worst possible way. If Hargrave continues to suck and the injury rumor was a myth...we have real problems at NT too.

Dumping 14 million on a RB in today's NFL is insanity. With 14 million you can fix 2 positions on D and sign a decent RB free agent. We have to stop the insanity around Bell.
Hopefully bell is listening to the chatter.

If he signs for the big money, then we know where his priorities are.

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With 14 million you can fix 2 positions on D and sign a decent RB free agent. We have to stop the insanity around Bell.


LOL, no. In today's NFL, $5M in FA will get you a safety of Mike Mitchell's caliber - consider that Wilcox was $3M a year.

If you take a bit of a risk, $7M MIGHT get you a decent defensive FA. You spend $14M on two defense FA's, one might end-up being a player and the other a JAG. Sure, we'd take that, but let's not get carried away with what $14M is actually going to do with you in FA.

The way the cap has gone up in recent years you have to build your team almost exclusively thru the draft. "Fix" 2 defensive positions AND sign a decent RB - you're talking $20M+, easy.

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