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Author:  Lynch [ Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:34 pm ]
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We need him to keep on the path Haley started him on. Get rid of football, live to fight another play.

Author:  Gonzo [ Sat Feb 10, 2018 9:55 am ]
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Of course he does
No one ... he and Brady et al are going to leave 20m+ a year on the table at the young age of late 30s, 40. Especially in a league looking desparateky for and protecting good QBs

Author:  bradshaw2ben [ Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:40 am ]
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It's a golden age of QB play, though. There are more competent NFL QBs now than at any time I can remember going back 30 years. By the start of 2018 season, there might not be any team with an absolutely incompetent boob playing QB-- just 3-4 years ago half the league was without a QB.

Author:  Kodiak [ Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:49 am ]
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
It's a golden age of QB play, though.


It's the golden age of rules favoring the passing game.

There's always a new flavor of the month. Hasn't been another consistently great QB since Ben/Rivers/Rodgers/Ryan came into the league. Many pretenders, though.

If not for the rules favoring the passing game, I actually think we're in a drought not terribly different from the Cowher era.

Author:  Suwanee88 [ Sat Feb 10, 2018 1:52 pm ]
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Steelafan77 wrote:

Thx!

Author:  bradshaw2ben [ Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:30 pm ]
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Kodiak wrote:
bradshaw2ben wrote:
It's a golden age of QB play, though.


It's the golden age of rules favoring the passing game.

There's always a new flavor of the month. Hasn't been another consistently great QB since Ben/Rivers/Rodgers/Ryan came into the league. Many pretenders, though.

If not for the rules favoring the passing game, I actually think we're in a drought not terribly different from the Cowher era.

Ben, Rivers, Brees, Rodgers, Eli,

Alex Smith
Ryan
Stafford
Wilson
Cam Newton
Andrew Luck
Wentz
Cousins
Bradford
Carr

Now the next wave of above competent:
Prescott, Watson, Goff, Mariota, Garoppolo, Foles, Keenum, Trubisky, Winston, Mahomes

When the fringe guys are Bortles, Tyrod Taylor, Dalton, Flacco, Tannehill, McCown... the league is pretty strong

Author:  Kodiak [ Sat Feb 10, 2018 6:42 pm ]
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
Kodiak wrote:
bradshaw2ben wrote:
It's a golden age of QB play, though.


It's the golden age of rules favoring the passing game.

There's always a new flavor of the month. Hasn't been another consistently great QB since Ben/Rivers/Rodgers/Ryan came into the league. Many pretenders, though.

If not for the rules favoring the passing game, I actually think we're in a drought not terribly different from the Cowher era.

Ben, Rivers, Brees, Rodgers, Eli,

Alex Smith
Ryan
Stafford
Wilson
Cam Newton
Andrew Luck
Wentz
Cousins
Bradford
Carr

Now the next wave of above competent:
Prescott, Watson, Goff, Mariota, Garoppolo, Foles, Keenum, Trubisky, Winston, Mahomes

When the fringe guys are Bortles, Tyrod Taylor, Dalton, Flacco, Tannehill, McCown... the league is pretty strong


You kind of made my point. Those guys pretty much suck - anyone can win a SB, but it's not very likely. How many SB's, much less titles on that list? Most of those guys will never sniff a SB unless the stars align. Half of them can't even take their team to the playoffs.

You're making an argument about numbers, which the league is set-up to produce passing numbers these days. But most of those guys are Neil O'Donnell types (especially Stafford) at best if they're playing 20 years ago. Alex Smith might as well be Mike Tomczak.

Author:  Lynch [ Sat Feb 10, 2018 8:15 pm ]
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Prescott, Watson and Winston definetely don't belong. An argument could be made that Wilson and Mariota don't either. Bortles, Dalton, Flacco and Tannehill are all pretty good though.

Author:  Kodiak [ Sat Feb 10, 2018 8:40 pm ]
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Lynch wrote:
Prescott, Watson and Winston definetely don't belong. An argument could be made that Wilson and Mariota don't either. Bortles, Dalton, Flacco and Tannehill are all pretty good though.


Yeah, I really don't buy this "golden age of QB" stuff....It's the golden age of the passing game, after rules changes to attract casual fans and fantasy football. Outside of a handful of guys, most of those QB's are completely mediocre in the game 20 years ago. Hell, most of them are mediocre today, they just pile up some nice numbers in a pass-happy league.

Author:  Lynch [ Sat Feb 10, 2018 9:31 pm ]
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It's certainly easier to throw the ball today than at any time in the past, that's for sure.

Author:  Rocky Mtn Stiller [ Sun Feb 11, 2018 4:21 pm ]
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What some of those guys lack in talent they make up for in PI calls.

Author:  R S [ Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:42 pm ]
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Lynch wrote:
Prescott, Watson and Winston definetely don't belong. An argument could be made that Wilson and Mariota don't either. Bortles, Dalton, Flacco and Tannehill are all pretty good though.


You picked all the bown skinned guys. Dalton and Tannehill are better than Russell Wilson....right. Your racist schtick is borish

Author:  Poltargyst [ Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:29 pm ]
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Actually I've never been all that sold on Wilson beyond his athletic ability.

Author:  Lynch [ Sun Feb 11, 2018 10:00 pm ]
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R S wrote:
Lynch wrote:
Prescott, Watson and Winston definetely don't belong. An argument could be made that Wilson and Mariota don't either. Bortles, Dalton, Flacco and Tannehill are all pretty good though.


You picked all the bown skinned guys. Dalton and Tannehill are better than Russell Wilson....right. Your racist schtick is borish


Hell, I hadn't even noticed. I really don't see color when it comes to football players. That said, I do think an nfl qb should be able to make his drop, read, and toss the ball. The guys I pointed out above all have trouble doing the read part of it in time. Some might say that part of their game hasn't evolved yet.

Author:  bradshaw2ben [ Sun Feb 11, 2018 10:09 pm ]
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Poltargyst wrote:
Actually I've never been all that sold on Wilson beyond his athletic ability.

Really? He's very, very good.

QB Win %: 8th (Ben 10th, Bradshaw 7th)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Football_League_career_quarterback_wins_leaders

YPA: 11th all time (Ben 8th)
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_yds_per_att_career.htm

QB rating: 2nd all-time (Ben 9th)
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_rating_career.htm

comp %: 12th all time (Ben 11th)
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_cmp_perc_career.htm

Int %: 5th all-time (Ben 33rd)
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_int_perc_career.htm

TD %: 19th all-time (Ben 41st)
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_td_perc_career.htm

Of course, there's some adjustment for era... but even among those in his era he's been fantastic.

Author:  Poltargyst [ Sun Feb 11, 2018 11:19 pm ]
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
Poltargyst wrote:
Actually I've never been all that sold on Wilson beyond his athletic ability.

Really? He's very, very good.

QB Win %: 8th (Ben 10th, Bradshaw 7th)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Football_League_career_quarterback_wins_leaders

YPA: 11th all time (Ben 8th)
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_yds_per_att_career.htm

QB rating: 2nd all-time (Ben 9th)
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_rating_career.htm

comp %: 12th all time (Ben 11th)
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_cmp_perc_career.htm

Int %: 5th all-time (Ben 33rd)
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_int_perc_career.htm

TD %: 19th all-time (Ben 41st)
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_td_perc_career.htm

Of course, there's some adjustment for era... but even among those in his era he's been fantastic.

Ok

Author:  Lynch [ Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:56 am ]
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Wilson's been okay running that college offense... The running threat helps open thing up down field for sure. Most guys get broken before they complete a year if they're tasked to do it in the pros though.

Author:  Jeemie [ Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:28 am ]
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Lynch wrote:
Wilson's been okay running that college offense... The running threat helps open thing up down field for sure. Most guys get broken before they complete a year if they're tasked to do it in the pros though.


The 16th and 21st ranked rushing offense?

That rushing offense?

Author:  Lynch [ Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:52 am ]
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What percentage of those rushing yards have been Wilson's???? Yes Jeemie, THAT college offense.

Author:  Jeemie [ Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:00 am ]
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Lynch wrote:
What percentage of those rushing yards have been Wilson's???? Yes Jeemie, THAT college offense.


You don’t even realize that these stats do not support your assertion that the threat of a run game opens up downfield passing for Wilson.

Their run game has been mediocre since Lynch left.

Author:  Ice [ Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:28 am ]
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Been a while since Seattle has had a strong rushing attack. And people get on Tomlin for not watching other teams' games.

Author:  bradshaw2ben [ Mon Feb 12, 2018 12:12 pm ]
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Jeemie wrote:
Lynch wrote:
What percentage of those rushing yards have been Wilson's???? Yes Jeemie, THAT college offense.


You don’t even realize that these stats do not support your assertion that the threat of a run game opens up downfield passing for Wilson.

Their run game has been mediocre since Lynch left.

In fairness, when they've some RBs healthy, it was pretty good... but that hasn't been very often. Also, his OL has been gloriously bad.

Seattle OL rankings (football outsiders) in Wilson's career:
2012: run 12, pass 20.
2013: 9, 32
2014: 4, 24
2015: 4, 30
2016: 26, 25
2017: 31, 26

Author:  Jobus Rum [ Mon Feb 12, 2018 12:16 pm ]
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I think Lunch is talking about the threat of Wilson running/scrambling.

Author:  Jeemie [ Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:26 pm ]
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Jobus Rum wrote:
I think Lunch is talking about the threat of Wilson running/scrambling.


That hurts his argument even more.

Author:  Jobus Rum [ Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:50 pm ]
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Jeemie wrote:
Jobus Rum wrote:
I think Lunch is talking about the threat of Wilson running/scrambling.


That hurts his argument even more.

Well, we all know what his actual argument is here...

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