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 Post subject: Re: Ben wants to play beyond 2019
PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 4:21 pm 
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What some of those guys lack in talent they make up for in PI calls.


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 Post subject: Re: Ben wants to play beyond 2019
PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:42 pm 
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Prescott, Watson and Winston definetely don't belong. An argument could be made that Wilson and Mariota don't either. Bortles, Dalton, Flacco and Tannehill are all pretty good though.


You picked all the bown skinned guys. Dalton and Tannehill are better than Russell Wilson....right. Your racist schtick is borish

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 Post subject: Re: Ben wants to play beyond 2019
PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:29 pm 
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Actually I've never been all that sold on Wilson beyond his athletic ability.

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 Post subject: Re: Ben wants to play beyond 2019
PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 10:00 pm 
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R S wrote:
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Prescott, Watson and Winston definetely don't belong. An argument could be made that Wilson and Mariota don't either. Bortles, Dalton, Flacco and Tannehill are all pretty good though.


You picked all the bown skinned guys. Dalton and Tannehill are better than Russell Wilson....right. Your racist schtick is borish


Hell, I hadn't even noticed. I really don't see color when it comes to football players. That said, I do think an nfl qb should be able to make his drop, read, and toss the ball. The guys I pointed out above all have trouble doing the read part of it in time. Some might say that part of their game hasn't evolved yet.


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 Post subject: Re: Ben wants to play beyond 2019
PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 10:09 pm 
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Actually I've never been all that sold on Wilson beyond his athletic ability.

Really? He's very, very good.

QB Win %: 8th (Ben 10th, Bradshaw 7th)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Football_League_career_quarterback_wins_leaders

YPA: 11th all time (Ben 8th)
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_yds_per_att_career.htm

QB rating: 2nd all-time (Ben 9th)
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_rating_career.htm

comp %: 12th all time (Ben 11th)
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_cmp_perc_career.htm

Int %: 5th all-time (Ben 33rd)
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_int_perc_career.htm

TD %: 19th all-time (Ben 41st)
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_td_perc_career.htm

Of course, there's some adjustment for era... but even among those in his era he's been fantastic.

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 Post subject: Re: Ben wants to play beyond 2019
PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 11:19 pm 
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Poltargyst wrote:
Actually I've never been all that sold on Wilson beyond his athletic ability.

Really? He's very, very good.

QB Win %: 8th (Ben 10th, Bradshaw 7th)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Football_League_career_quarterback_wins_leaders

YPA: 11th all time (Ben 8th)
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_yds_per_att_career.htm

QB rating: 2nd all-time (Ben 9th)
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_rating_career.htm

comp %: 12th all time (Ben 11th)
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_cmp_perc_career.htm

Int %: 5th all-time (Ben 33rd)
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_int_perc_career.htm

TD %: 19th all-time (Ben 41st)
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_td_perc_career.htm

Of course, there's some adjustment for era... but even among those in his era he's been fantastic.

Ok

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Wilson's been okay running that college offense... The running threat helps open thing up down field for sure. Most guys get broken before they complete a year if they're tasked to do it in the pros though.


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 Post subject: Re: Ben wants to play beyond 2019
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Wilson's been okay running that college offense... The running threat helps open thing up down field for sure. Most guys get broken before they complete a year if they're tasked to do it in the pros though.


The 16th and 21st ranked rushing offense?

That rushing offense?

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 Post subject: Re: Ben wants to play beyond 2019
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What percentage of those rushing yards have been Wilson's???? Yes Jeemie, THAT college offense.


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 Post subject: Re: Ben wants to play beyond 2019
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What percentage of those rushing yards have been Wilson's???? Yes Jeemie, THAT college offense.


You don’t even realize that these stats do not support your assertion that the threat of a run game opens up downfield passing for Wilson.

Their run game has been mediocre since Lynch left.

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Been a while since Seattle has had a strong rushing attack. And people get on Tomlin for not watching other teams' games.


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What percentage of those rushing yards have been Wilson's???? Yes Jeemie, THAT college offense.


You don’t even realize that these stats do not support your assertion that the threat of a run game opens up downfield passing for Wilson.

Their run game has been mediocre since Lynch left.

In fairness, when they've some RBs healthy, it was pretty good... but that hasn't been very often. Also, his OL has been gloriously bad.

Seattle OL rankings (football outsiders) in Wilson's career:
2012: run 12, pass 20.
2013: 9, 32
2014: 4, 24
2015: 4, 30
2016: 26, 25
2017: 31, 26

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 Post subject: Re: Ben wants to play beyond 2019
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I think Lunch is talking about the threat of Wilson running/scrambling.

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I think Lunch is talking about the threat of Wilson running/scrambling.


That hurts his argument even more.

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Jeemie wrote:
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I think Lunch is talking about the threat of Wilson running/scrambling.


That hurts his argument even more.

Well, we all know what his actual argument is here...

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Jobus Rum wrote:
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I think Lunch is talking about the threat of Wilson running/scrambling.


That hurts his argument even more.

Well, we all know what his actual argument is here...
There's an argument?

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 Post subject: Re: Ben wants to play beyond 2019
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Jeemie wrote:
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I think Lunch is talking about the threat of Wilson running/scrambling.


That hurts his argument even more.


Lol, jeemie... just give up man. You're making a fool of yourself... again.


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 Post subject: Re: Ben wants to play beyond 2019
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Anyone that ranks Tannehill and Dalton above Russell Wilson has not watched much football, if any, outside of the Steelers.

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 Post subject: Re: Ben wants to play beyond 2019
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Anyone that ranks Tannehill and Dalton above Russell Wilson has not watched much football, if any, outside of the Steelers.

Or is ranking on a completely different criterion.

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 Post subject: Re: Ben wants to play beyond 2019
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
Poltargyst wrote:
Actually I've never been all that sold on Wilson beyond his athletic ability.

Really? He's very, very good.

QB Win %: 8th (Ben 10th, Bradshaw 7th)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Football_League_career_quarterback_wins_leaders

YPA: 11th all time (Ben 8th)
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_yds_per_att_career.htm

QB rating: 2nd all-time (Ben 9th)
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_rating_career.htm

comp %: 12th all time (Ben 11th)
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_cmp_perc_career.htm

Int %: 5th all-time (Ben 33rd)
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_int_perc_career.htm

TD %: 19th all-time (Ben 41st)
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_td_perc_career.htm

Of course, there's some adjustment for era... but even among those in his era he's been fantastic.


Our 2 franchise qb's are Bradshaw and Ben. IMO, Steelers fans should be slow to dis playmaking qb's like Favre and Wilson who have won big in this league.

Full disclosure... I have not watched Wilson much the past couple years. I used to enjoy watching him play though.


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 Post subject: Re: Ben wants to play beyond 2019
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I’d trade Ben for Wilson right now and wouldn’t even have to think about it for a minute.


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 Post subject: Re: Ben wants to play beyond 2019
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I’d trade Ben for Wilson right now and wouldn’t even have to think about it for a minute.


At the end of Ben's career, sure.

Wilson, IMO, is the only young QB worth a damn. Probably Cousins. Watson and some others, possibly, but the jury is still out.

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 Post subject: Re: Ben wants to play beyond 2019
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You fuckers have lost your ever-Christing minds.


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 Post subject: Re: Ben wants to play beyond 2019
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Says the dip shit that would start Landry Jones over Wilson.

Nothing crazy about it. I think when Ben falls off a cliff it will happen quickly.

Plus, his play when it’s mattered most has been hit and miss with more miss for a looooong time now.

And this coming from one of Ben’s strongest supporters over the years.

Seattle would laugh at the offer.


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 Post subject: Re: Ben wants to play beyond 2019
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Plus, his play when it’s mattered most has been hit and miss with more miss for a looooong time now.


He's had a bunch of game-winning drives the past 2 years. Been outstanding in the playoffs the past 3 years. The 2nd half of this season was probably the best stretch he's had in his entire career.

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