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 Post subject: Re: 6th Round pick Sutton Smith Edge N. Illinois
PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2019 6:46 am 
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This is the type of Player the Pats normally draft and have success with. I think Smith will be a ST demon this season. Given a year to put on some muscle he might be on the end or just in packages.

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 Post subject: Re: 6th Round pick Sutton Smith Edge N. Illinois
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Per Pro football focus
Most pressures by an FBS edge defender since the start of 2017:

1. Sutton Smith, 160
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2. Maxx Crosby, 112
3. Anthony Nelson, 111
4. Chase Winovich, 109
4. Ben Banogu, 109


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 Post subject: Re: 6th Round pick Sutton Smith Edge N. Illinois
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If the ceiling for this kid is special teams demon or captain for the next 7 years then he will have been a sound investment. Anything you get above that is gravy. His motor and will seem to never stop and that is something we could use more of on the team. Even if all he and Gilbert do is knock Matekavich off the roster that is a good thing. Dirty Red is not that good at a lot of things and decent at a few.


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 Post subject: Re: 6th Round pick Sutton Smith Edge N. Illinois
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SOCALSTEEL wrote:
Per Pro football focus
Most pressures by an FBS edge defender since the start of 2017:

1. Sutton Smith, 160
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2. Maxx Crosby, 112
3. Anthony Nelson, 111
4. Chase Winovich, 109
4. Ben Banogu, 109


I REALLY want to see this kid succeed. Love everything about him as a player. No doubt he will hit the weight room with a vengeance to pack on muscle.

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 Post subject: Re: 6th Round pick Sutton Smith Edge N. Illinois
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I think he is going to see time in packages...I think he is going to be a double barreled motherfucker to block.

His speed off the snap is elite.
His hand usage is elite
His pad level is elite
His variety of moves rushing the passer is very good
He takes the corner at such a low level longer fatter short setting offensive tackles are going to whiff.
People say he is a small school wonder...He dominated the big boys when he played them
He also practiced every day against an elite pass rushing LT in Max Schrepping who went in the 3rd round of the draft.

I love the pick

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 Post subject: Re: 6th Round pick Sutton Smith Edge N. Illinois
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FC wrote:
I think he is going to see time in packages...I think he is going to be a double barreled motherfucker to block.

His speed off the snap is elite.
His hand usage is elite
His pad level is elite
His variety of moves rushing the passer is very good
He takes the corner at such a low level longer fatter short setting offensive tackles are going to whiff.
People say he is a small school wonder...He dominated the big boys when he played them
He also practiced every day against an elite pass rushing LT in Max Schrepping who went in the 3rd round of the draft.

I love the pick


Short guys are hard as fuck to block.

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 Post subject: Re: 6th Round pick Sutton Smith Edge N. Illinois
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FC wrote:
I think he is going to see time in packages...I think he is going to be a double barreled motherfucker to block.

His speed off the snap is elite.
His hand usage is elite
His pad level is elite
His variety of moves rushing the passer is very good
He takes the corner at such a low level longer fatter short setting offensive tackles are going to whiff.
People say he is a small school wonder...He dominated the big boys when he played them
He also practiced every day against an elite pass rushing LT in Max Schrepping who went in the 3rd round of the draft.

I love the pick
I'm not in the same league in knowing about football as you, but I agree completely with everything you posted. His highlight reel was a stunner. Dude is explosive. Great hand work, knows which angles to take, etc. He's a fucking search and destroy kind of player.

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 Post subject: Re: 6th Round pick Sutton Smith Edge N. Illinois
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I've been a fan for two years now. Only reason I didn't covet him is I fear drafting EDGEs at that weight. Steelers may get some mileage out of moving him around, for sure. If you can get him matchups rushing the passer in down and distance situations where he doesn't have to worry about holding the edge... he's damn good.

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 Post subject: Re: 6th Round pick Sutton Smith Edge N. Illinois
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FC wrote:
People say he is a small school wonder...He dominated the big boys when he played them
He also practiced every day against an elite pass rushing LT in Max Schrepping who went in the 3rd round of the draft.

I love the pick


I think Max was drafted in middle of the 2nd round actually -- which strengthens your argument


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 Post subject: Re: 6th Round pick Sutton Smith Edge N. Illinois
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8-) Thank you sir

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 Post subject: Re: 6th Round pick Sutton Smith Edge N. Illinois
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FC wrote:
I think he is going to see time in packages...I think he is going to be a double barreled motherfucker to block.

His speed off the snap is elite.
His hand usage is elite
His pad level is elite
His variety of moves rushing the passer is very good
He takes the corner at such a low level longer fatter short setting offensive tackles are going to whiff.
People say he is a small school wonder...He dominated the big boys when he played them
He also practiced every day against an elite pass rushing LT in Max Schrepping who went in the 3rd round of the draft.

I love the pick


Damn that's encouraging. I hope you're right. His tape sure is fun to watch.

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 Post subject: Re: 6th Round pick Sutton Smith Edge N. Illinois
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His biggest minus is length and strength. He could be special if he can get the right scheme

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 Post subject: Re: 6th Round pick Sutton Smith Edge N. Illinois
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jebrick wrote:
His biggest minus is length and strength. He could be special if he can get the right scheme

On 3rd and longs, sending him from the slot or wide9 outside of TJ or Bud would create a matchup nightmare. If he makes the team, he's a ST ace and a pass rush specialists, for sure.

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 Post subject: Re: 6th Round pick Sutton Smith Edge N. Illinois
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The funny thing about the Sutton Smith pick is that if he were on a 4-3 defense there would be no nervousness about Smith's 'length' or 'size'.

With this pick the Steelers went against the grain. I have long argued that the Steelers miss out on so many defensive prospects because they let the 3-4 defense limit their focus. Imagine there is a pie, the Steelers go to that pie and take out a sizable slice and go back to their table. Then in that slice they try and find prospects to draft, but that slice of the pie may only be 25-30% of all of the available prospects on defense. It makes no sense, year after year, the base 3-4 is being chipped away, we are playing sub package more and more and yet we still use that 3-4 base as a blueprint for players that we draft???

Other teams running 4-3 defenses would have no trouble using Sutton Smith. I can easily see the Steelers using Smith in sub package defenses where he really is virtually a weakside 'Will' OLB, and just letting him seek and destroy. Let Bud Dupree be that prototype old school 3-4 OLB on early downs.

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 Post subject: Re: 6th Round pick Sutton Smith Edge N. Illinois
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Scunge wrote:
The funny thing about the Sutton Smith pick is that if he were on a 4-3 defense there would be no nervousness about Smith's 'length' or 'size'.


With this pick the Steelers went against the grain. I have long argued that the Steelers miss out on so many defensive prospects because they let the 3-4 defense limit their focus. Imagine there is a pie, the Steelers go to that pie and take out a sizable slice and go back to their table. Then in that slice they try and find prospects to draft, but that slice of the pie may only be 25-30% of all of the available prospects on defense. It makes no sense, year after year, the base 3-4 is being chipped away, we are playing sub package more and more and yet we still use that 3-4 base as a blueprint for players that we draft???

Other teams running 4-3 defenses would have no trouble using Sutton Smith. I can easily see the Steelers using Smith in sub package defenses where he really is virtually a weakside 'Will' OLB, and just letting him seek and destroy. Let Bud Dupree be that prototype old school 3-4 OLB on early downs.


Yes there would. How many short DE's are there that are EDGE rushers? How many are 235? Smith is 6'0 233lb at the combine. That would be fine if he were an ILB/off ball LB. Why do you think the Average OT is at least 6'6. Most "elite" OTs are bigger with long arms. All 4-3 teams would use Smith as a LB. I think he is better at a 3-4 because if he can get a year to put on muscle he could become very good.

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 Post subject: Re: 6th Round pick Sutton Smith Edge N. Illinois
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What the hell are you talking about jebrick??

Dexter Coakley was a 5'10" 235 pound 4-3 OLB for the Dallas Cowboys. He made the Pro Bowl 3 times.

Lavonte David is a 6'1 230 pound 4-3 OLB for the Tampa Bay Bucs. He has made the Pro Bowl.

Telvin Smith is 6'3" 215 pound 4-3 OLB for the Jaguars. He has made the Pro Bowl.

The list can go on and on, there have always been these 215-230 pound OLBs, 4-3 weak side OLBs that are as far removed from Dick LeBeau's 3-4 proto type OLB that thrive in 4-3 defenses and make plays and make Pro Bowls. Lee Woodall, William Thomas, the list goes on and on.

The idea that many of you want to take Sutton Smith and have him put on weight to be a more effective edge rusher for our 3-4 defense are missing the point I think.

Smith to me is perfect for a 4-3 or a sub package defense where he plays a lot like the players above that I have mentioned. He does not have to put on weight, he just has to play and the defense has to be flexible enough to let him play.

My dislike and loathing for our 3-4 defense is well known. The less we play in that base defense the better. Bringing in players like Mark Barron, drafting Devin Bush, Sutton Smith, even brining in a long time 4-3 coach like Teryl Austin, all signs point to more change, and more sub package.

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 Post subject: Re: 6th Round pick Sutton Smith Edge N. Illinois
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Scunge wrote:
What the hell are you talking about jebrick??

Dexter Coakley was a 5'10" 235 pound 4-3 OLB for the Dallas Cowboys. He made the Pro Bowl 3 times.

Lavonte David is a 6'1 230 pound 4-3 OLB for the Tampa Bay Bucs. He has made the Pro Bowl.

Telvin Smith is 6'3" 215 pound 4-3 OLB for the Jaguars. He has made the Pro Bowl.

The list can go on and on, there have always been these 215-230 pound OLBs, 4-3 weak side OLBs that are as far removed from Dick LeBeau's 3-4 proto type OLB that thrive in 4-3 defenses and make plays and make Pro Bowls. Lee Woodall, William Thomas, the list goes on and on.

The idea that many of you want to take Sutton Smith and have him put on weight to be a more effective edge rusher for our 3-4 defense are missing the point I think.

Smith to me is perfect for a 4-3 or a sub package defense where he plays a lot like the players above that I have mentioned. He does not have to put on weight, he just has to play and the defense has to be flexible enough to let him play.

My dislike and loathing for our 3-4 defense is well known. The less we play in that base defense the better. Bringing in players like Mark Barron, drafting Devin Bush, Sutton Smith, even brining in a long time 4-3 coach like Teryl Austin, all signs point to more change, and more sub package.


Problem is, our OLB's don't always rush the passer.

Can Smith cover? Will he only be used as a situational pass rusher?

I'm not sure how often our OLB's are asked to cover per game, but it seems like a good amount to me.

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 Post subject: Re: 6th Round pick Sutton Smith Edge N. Illinois
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Well that is implied to me when I say let Sutton Smith play like a 4-3 OLB, KC. The fact that he will pass rush, drop into coverage all of it.

Why can't he do it?? Why can't he do it all??

Many of those weak side 4-3 OLBs that I mentioned can blitz but they also drop into coverage and make INTs and turnovers.

Telvin Smith had a combined 15 turnovers, INTs, Fumble recoveries, and returned 4 of those for TDs in his first 5 years.

I honestly don't know what to think of people that turn up their noses at prospects like Telvin Smith or Sutton Smith or like last year Darius Leonard.

I loved Darius Leonard and said hey let us reunite him with Javon Hargrave. Many were like he is too small, not enough weight on him, too high cut, this or that not a fit for our 3-4 defense :roll:

Again, I think for a long time we have passed on great players because they don't fit our defense, our preconceived notions of what it takes for a 3-4 defense. But now that is changing, now we are drafting different type of players and Sutton Smith is just the latest proof of that. But I don't think he has to gain weight or change a thing, just play him and continue to evolve the defense into something different. Tune your defense to the players at hand, to the strengths of your team and quit forcing square pegs into round holes of your strict idealogical 3-4 defense.

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 Post subject: Re: 6th Round pick Sutton Smith Edge N. Illinois
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Fact is though we are still going to play a lot of 3-4. Everyone keeps saying that Smith can't play 3-4 OLB. I keep contending it is possible. Apparently he had a very good rookie minicamp at OLB. Good enough in fact that the Steelers felt comfortable parting ways with Keion Adams this early. He must have really shown something.


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 Post subject: Re: 6th Round pick Sutton Smith Edge N. Illinois
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FC wrote:
I think he is going to see time in packages...I think he is going to be a double barreled motherfucker to block.

His speed off the snap is elite.
His hand usage is elite
His pad level is elite
His variety of moves rushing the passer is very good
He takes the corner at such a low level longer fatter short setting offensive tackles are going to whiff.
People say he is a small school wonder...He dominated the big boys when he played them
He also practiced every day against an elite pass rushing LT in Max Schrepping who went in the 3rd round of the draft.

I love the pick


FC I liked the pick given the round and low risk. Smith struggled in the senior bowl albeit in mostly off the ball LBer drills. I watched all the OL V DL/DE practices and Smith was not in them. So it will be interesting to see how he does in backs v backers, OL v rusher drills in camp.


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 Post subject: Re: 6th Round pick Sutton Smith Edge N. Illinois
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Jesus. The kid hits like a Mack truck too. After watching his highlights, I was amazed by his closing speed. I would have guessed his 40 time was much faster than 4.69. I am excited to see this kid in black and gold.

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 Post subject: Re: 6th Round pick Sutton Smith Edge N. Illinois
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In the draft presser Colbert actually referred to LBs they drafted this year in 4-3 terms. They're thinking in even front terms, since that's the majority of the time now.

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Could this be why they're targeting the The 6'3-6'4 280-ish/290-ish type DLinemen instead of the 6'5-6'6 300+?


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 Post subject: Re: 6th Round pick Sutton Smith Edge N. Illinois
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Tune your defense to the players at hand, to the strengths of your team and quit forcing square pegs into round holes of your strict idealogical 3-4 defense.

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