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 Post subject: Re: Shutdown CB Patrick Peterson may be available from Cardi
PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 12:00 am 
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This is delusional. How can you get someone going that wants to avoid contact? Pull the plug.

Steelers think they can get Artie Burns going during bye week
Posted by Josh Alper on October 17, 2018, 6:26 AM EDT

The Steelers allowed a season-low 275 yards to the Bengals in their 28-21 Week Six victory and they allowed a season-low 17 points in their Week Five win over the Falcons, so their defense has been taking steps in the right direction after a 1-2-1 start to the year.
That turn has taken place at the same time as a drop in cornerback Artie Burns‘ playing time. He was on the field for nearly every snap in the first two weeks of the season and 68 percent of the snaps in Week Four, but was down to less than half the snaps against the Bengals last weekend.

Burns said “it’s their decision” and little else when asked about the change in fortunes on Tuesday, but defensive backs coach Tom Bradley was a bit more forthcoming. He said Burns needs to be more consistent and that he feels the team can fix the mental and physical errors that have hampered the corner this season.

“It’s always a little bit of both as you get out there,” Bradley said, via the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review. “Playing corner is a little different. Confidence has a shelf life that needs to be replenished. But he’ll be fine. … We’ll get him going here. I’m not worried about Artie now.”
The Steelers will return with games against the Browns and Ravens. They were 0-1-1 in their first meetings with their AFC North rivals and making their record 2-1-1 would be a big boost toward another division title. The playing time Burns gets against Cleveland will be a good sign of whether the Steelers think the 2016 first-round pick can help on that front.

Going out the door with bags packed, hopefully. And how interesting that the less snaps he gets, the better we do.

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Burns is Bad! Very Bad! Haden was solid and frustrated the hell out of Green all night. Green still got his catches though. Boyd ate that secondaries lunch. Burns is terrible. Sutton being matched up on their TE Uzomah was an advantage for the bunguls. Sutton did make some decent plays but it was as simple as a size mismatch. 6'6 vs 5'10? Come on man, put Brian Allen up on bigger TE's? Uzomah pushed off easily all game yeah. Arm length was the difference.


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 Post subject: Re: Shutdown CB Patrick Peterson may be available from Cardi
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Another possibility
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Gareon Conley to the Steelers for a fourth-round pick

This could be a slight overpay, but I’m okay with it. I don’t have to send Bell out the door, and the team can go with the two-headed monster attack with Bell and Conner. On top of that, it’s also a solution to the CB2 issue. Jon Gruden has benched Conley after having some struggles early, but he’s a rookie and he’s been improving. It doesn’t make sense why, but they’re now shopping around anyone and everyone — and this is exactly what we like to hear in Steelers Nation. It wouldn’t cost the Steelers much due to his lack of proven success in the NFL, but he’s a talented youngster with substantial upside.

He needs to move on, as Gruden clearly is not happy with him, and he can become one of the better players in the Steelers’ secondary. A fourth-rounder is about as good as the Raiders might get, and I doubt they would turn it down. Conley is a press-corner with length and some of the best speed to come out of the draft in years. Given Pittsburgh’s current needs in a CB, he fits in extremely well. I love Patrick Peterson, but this one might truly be the most ideal trade.


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 Post subject: Re: Shutdown CB Patrick Peterson may be available from Cardi
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Fully Agree Genie. Conley would be a very promising prospect for the Steelers to acquire. Burns is back sliding into oblivion and no one seems to know why. Haden will need replacing as he is approaching [NFL] old age. Hilton and hopefully Sutton can continue to develop into solid secondary players. Not sure Allen will. I think CB is high on the draft list yet again. If the Steelers could nab a young upstart that likely just needs a change of scenery to develop better I say go get him. Conley does have some injury concern. Missed just about his entire rookie season with an ankle injury. Reduced defensive snaps this season as well. Only playing ST's. Gruden has essentially, systematically reduced the snap count or traded or removed McKenzie's more recent picks from their starting positions. Conley could come cheaper than a 4th IMHO.

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Good post 77. Burns keeps saying he knows he has CTE. Maybe he just stupid but he tries to avoid contact. His tackling is a joke as he keeps whiffing plus he doesn't react to the receiver's cuts. I don't think you can cure his problems.

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Fully Agree Genie. Conley would be a very promising prospect for the Steelers to acquire. Burns is back sliding into oblivion and no one seems to know why. Haden will need replacing as he is approaching [NFL] old age. Hilton and hopefully Sutton can continue to develop into solid secondary players. Not sure Allen will. I think CB is high on the draft list yet again. If the Steelers could nab a young upstart that likely just needs a change of scenery to develop better I say go get him. Conley does have some injury concern. Missed just about his entire rookie season with an ankle injury. Reduced defensive snaps this season as well. Only playing ST's. Gruden has essentially, systematically reduced the snap count or traded or removed McKenzie's more recent picks from their starting positions. Conley could come cheaper than a 4th IMHO.

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 Post subject: Re: Shutdown CB Patrick Peterson may be available from Cardi
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That's what I was thinking, Genie.

He clearly doesn't want to play football anymore so they should honor that and find his replacement.


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Deonne Buccanon is barely playing for AZ... there's a realistic trade option that could really help as dime backer OR starter at Mack.

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I'd take Buchanan in a heartbeat. I'd also kick the tires on Conley. Unless the season ends in total disaster (raising the value of a 4th rounder closer to a 3rd rounder, etc), that's some pretty good talent to be buying with next year's middling picks. I say that as someone who loves looking at players to fill middling picks.


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 Post subject: Re: Shutdown CB Patrick Peterson may be available from Cardi
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
Deonne Buccanon is barely playing for AZ... there's a realistic trade option that could really help as dime backer OR starter at Mack.

Just curious, but is Bucannon much different than Edmunds really. If/when Burnett is healthy, I could see Edmunds doing some of the same things you would want Bucannon to do...no?


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And all this is all the more reason for parting ways with Bell as quickly as possible. If we can improve on offense or defense, which one needs it the most? Can Bell improve the offense more than replacing Burns, at the very least, improves the defense? Absolutely not. There is no improvement to the offense needed before improvement to the defense. This can be a championship offense with the personnel we currently have active. This IS NOT even close to a championship defense. We need to parlay Bell into defensive help while his value is decent.

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 Post subject: Re: Shutdown CB Patrick Peterson may be available from Cardi
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
Deonne Buccanon is barely playing for AZ... there's a realistic trade option that could really help as dime backer OR starter at Mack.

Just curious, but is Bucannon much different than Edmunds really. If/when Burnett is healthy, I could see Edmunds doing some of the same things you would want Bucannon to do...no?


Buchanon has already done those things well at the pro level, and it allows you to plug in Edmunds' athletic skills somewhere else?


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 Post subject: Re: Shutdown CB Patrick Peterson may be available from Cardi
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I can say the Steelers can at least look into this


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 Post subject: Re: Shutdown CB Patrick Peterson may be available from Cardi
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Look at the league. You can't have too many athletes in the back seven.

Conley was over drafted, but he's got ball skills, he's played a lot of man coverage, and he's not afraid to stick his head in and tackle.


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Seems we might be better off trading or signing defensive players given the miss rate Tombert has had of late in the draft.


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 Post subject: Re: Shutdown CB Patrick Peterson may be available from Cardi
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B I N G O!

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Seems we might be better off trading or signing defensive players given the miss rate Tombert has had of late in the draft.


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 Post subject: Re: Shutdown CB Patrick Peterson may be available from Cardi
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Trade LeVeon Bell to the Raiders for Gareon Conley, Karl Joseph, and Amari Cooper. Lynch looks to be out for the long haul and they really need RB help now.

Yeah, slightly lopsided but they'd get rid of three players that aren't fitting the environment that Gruden is building there. I'd be fine with throwing in a draft pick too.

We do that it's time to dump Coty Sensabaugh, Jordan Dangerfield, and one of Justin Hunter/Darrius Heyward-Bey.

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 Post subject: Re: Shutdown CB Patrick Peterson may be available from Cardi
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Trade LeVeon Bell to the Raiders for Gareon Conley, Karl Joseph, and Amari Cooper. Lynch looks to be out for the long haul and they really need RB help now.

Yeah, slightly lopsided but they'd get rid of three players that aren't fitting the environment that Gruden is building there. I'd be fine with throwing in a draft pick too.

We do that it's time to dump Coty Sensabaugh, Jordan Dangerfield, and one of Justin Hunter/Darrius Heyward-Bey.

That would be outrageously awesome, but...Gruden is blowing things up, why the hell would he want Lev Bell?

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 Post subject: Re: Shutdown CB Patrick Peterson may be available from Cardi
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Jobus Rum wrote:
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Trade LeVeon Bell to the Raiders for Gareon Conley, Karl Joseph, and Amari Cooper. Lynch looks to be out for the long haul and they really need RB help now.

Yeah, slightly lopsided but they'd get rid of three players that aren't fitting the environment that Gruden is building there. I'd be fine with throwing in a draft pick too.

We do that it's time to dump Coty Sensabaugh, Jordan Dangerfield, and one of Justin Hunter/Darrius Heyward-Bey.

That would be outrageously awesome, but...Gruden is blowing things up, why the hell would he want Lev Bell?

SHHHHH!!! Who cares?? Let him take Bell!! Don't tip him off!!!

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I don't really care for Bucannon. I believe him to be overrated. I think this defense has their future safeties and praying they have their future Mack LB'er (Thomas). Big Dime could 'theoretically' be played by Brian Allen. That is in his wheelhouse but for some reason this staff won't give Allen his due. With Burnett always injured I'd be giving Allen those snaps. I would rather they went and picked up a solid man cover CB with size, speed and ball skills to compliment Haden before Haden hangs 'em up. Bench Burns.... JMO


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 Post subject: Re: Shutdown CB Patrick Peterson may be available from Cardi
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Arizona was destroyed by Denver 45-10 today. Maybe Peterson will become available for a trade. Arizona needs help badly.


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 Post subject: Re: Shutdown CB Patrick Peterson may be available from Cardi
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The Steelers will need to drop 3 players from the roster very soon. Eli Rodgers, Ola and Bell need roster spots. Instead of trying to get Brian Allen back to the practice squad or just downright cutting guys, I sure hope they try to swing a trade.

Guys I think could be let go for the right deal:
LeVeon Bell - of course
Justin Hunter - with Eli Rodgers returning
Steven Ridley - with Bell coming back
Sensabaugh
Burns
Manetavich
Dangerfield
Grimble

Would love to see the Steelers knock the Cardinals socks off for Peterson. Maybe a #2 pick and two or three of the players listed. Then trade Bell to the Packers for a #2.


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Rapin Lev isn't showing up until after the trade deadline. Loves the Steelers too much. Got a bitch slap from his mother.


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Rapin Lev isn't showing up until after the trade deadline. Loves the Steelers too much. Got a bitch slap from his mother.


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Doubtful Bell will sign before the trade deadline.

But, sure, go get Peterson. We're going to have the money next year, without Shazier and Bell's cap, and if you could get a Peterson with a late R2 you jump on it.

Counting this year, I think Ben has 2-3 years left at an elite level. Gotta make moves to take advantage of that window. Unfortunately, Ben's game has never been like Peyton or Brady, so he won't decline gracefully playing like Favre. Which is a long way of saying Ben will age into a liability, rather than a solid QB you can still carry.

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Whatever decision(s) we make in the next couple weeks will be very telling as to the mindset of the organization.

Current roster can't compete with the chiefs, and that's what we have to be looking at in regards to the post season. The chiefs' defense is improving. And their offense is not showing any signs of slowing down. I'd say that they are a more confidant and solid offense than the one we faced earlier this season.

Our offense is getting slightly better, but doesn't have much more of an upside. That being said, a mistake free Steeler offense is capable against the rest of the league.

But our defense...

Without roster change on defense, we aren't getting past the chiefs. I believe our current roster can win a shootout against Brady this year. I really do. But I don't believe we have anything for the chiefs. Our offense would have to score 7 on every possession, because that's just about what their offense would do to us.

So if we don't pull off a substantial trade for defensive help, the organization simply isn't trying to win it this year.

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