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 Post subject: Re: We have a lot of versatile guys
PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 9:49 pm 
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Nothing wrong with the pass rush or pass rush strategy... they were excellent last year, even with Dupree, Hargrave, & Tuitt apparently playing at less than 100% health. I'm excited to see Keion Adams added to the mix, and the addition of Joshua Frazier covers for the risk of Hargrave not playing up to his best of 2016.

I thought safety play the past two years was a huge problem... apparently, they agreed, and they did something about it.

They struggled to stop the run because:
A. missed tackles
B. failure to address ILB roster depth in august/september
C. three players in starting front 7 were playing with back or upper body injuries
D. Artie Burns

I hope C. will be better with health. A should be improved, simply because most of the personnel has improved. B. is still unaddressed unless Morgan Burnett or one of the other safeties is going to play ILB in nickel.

Giving up an inordinate number of over 40 yard plays is a huge problem that will likely revert to the mean... but I am sure hoping for some competition for Artie Burns.


F. Failure to hold Edge with OLBs ( some of that had to do with depth)
G. Did anyone mention poor play by the ILB ( including Shazier).

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 Post subject: Re: We have a lot of versatile guys
PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 2:03 am 
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jebrick wrote:
bradshaw2ben wrote:
Nothing wrong with the pass rush or pass rush strategy... they were excellent last year, even with Dupree, Hargrave, & Tuitt apparently playing at less than 100% health. I'm excited to see Keion Adams added to the mix, and the addition of Joshua Frazier covers for the risk of Hargrave not playing up to his best of 2016.

I thought safety play the past two years was a huge problem... apparently, they agreed, and they did something about it.

They struggled to stop the run because:
A. missed tackles
B. failure to address ILB roster depth in august/september
C. three players in starting front 7 were playing with back or upper body injuries
D. Artie Burns

I hope C. will be better with health. A should be improved, simply because most of the personnel has improved. B. is still unaddressed unless Morgan Burnett or one of the other safeties is going to play ILB in nickel.

Giving up an inordinate number of over 40 yard plays is a huge problem that will likely revert to the mean... but I am sure hoping for some competition for Artie Burns.


F. Failure to hold Edge with OLBs ( some of that had to do with depth)
G. Did anyone mention poor play by the ILB ( including Shazier).

Dupree will be better at his run responsibilities on the right side... more chasing from behind than 2-gapping. Watt will be a good rusher from teh left side, but run fits are goign to be all kinds of fun. My guess is that we're slowly becoming more of a 4-3 stop the run on the way to the passer team... have to have agile, athletic ILB(s) to run and chase. Or Safeties, I guess.

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 Post subject: Re: We have a lot of versatile guys
PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:49 am 
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I remember the last time Tomlin talked about versatility.....it seems that was forgettable.

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 Post subject: Re: We have a lot of versatile guys
PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:32 am 
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Kodiak wrote:
I remember the last time Tomlin talked about versatility.....it seems that was forgettable.

Yeah, but that was all about the OL, something which Tomlin, as a coach and a player, knew (knows) very little about...

...his OC at the time offered almost no help in that regard, too...

One would hope it's a different story on the defensive side of the ball...
I mean, he IS a former DC with an impressive pre-Steelers resume, but that was a dozen years ago, so we shall see...

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 Post subject: Re: We have a lot of versatile guys
PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:03 pm 
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Steeledge wrote:
Kodiak wrote:
I remember the last time Tomlin talked about versatility.....it seems that was forgettable.

Yeah, but that was all about the OL, something which Tomlin, as a coach and a player, knew (knows) very little about...

...his OC at the time offered almost no help in that regard, too...

One would hope it's a different story on the defensive side of the ball...
I mean, he IS a former DC with an impressive pre-Steelers resume, but that was a dozen years ago, so we shall see...


Mike Tomlin's coaching resume pre steelers is very thin.

A whopping 1 year as Vikings DC which was nothing to get excited about as far as I can tell.


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 Post subject: Re: We have a lot of versatile guys
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Havoc wrote:
Steeledge wrote:
Kodiak wrote:
I remember the last time Tomlin talked about versatility.....it seems that was forgettable.

Yeah, but that was all about the OL, something which Tomlin, as a coach and a player, knew (knows) very little about...

...his OC at the time offered almost no help in that regard, too...

One would hope it's a different story on the defensive side of the ball...
I mean, he IS a former DC with an impressive pre-Steelers resume, but that was a dozen years ago, so we shall see...


Mike Tomlin's coaching resume pre steelers is very thin.

A whopping 1 year as Vikings DC which was nothing to get excited about as far as I can tell.

Oh, I'm completely with you!

...but there are a TON of Tomlin apologists on "board" for this ride...

it's just about knowing the audience... ;)

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 Post subject: Re: We have a lot of versatile guys
PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 1:42 pm 
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Steeledge wrote:
Havoc wrote:
Steeledge wrote:
Yeah, but that was all about the OL, something which Tomlin, as a coach and a player, knew (knows) very little about...

...his OC at the time offered almost no help in that regard, too...

One would hope it's a different story on the defensive side of the ball...
I mean, he IS a former DC with an impressive pre-Steelers resume, but that was a dozen years ago, so we shall see...


Mike Tomlin's coaching resume pre steelers is very thin.

A whopping 1 year as Vikings DC which was nothing to get excited about as far as I can tell.

Oh, I'm completely with you!

...but there are a TON of Tomlin apologists on "board" for this ride...

it's just about knowing the audience... ;)

Ehhh...I wouldn’t say a ton. Just a very loud minority, including a handful that will come charging in on their white stallion to defend his honor at the slightest hint of criticism. :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: We have a lot of versatile guys
PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 2:25 pm 
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Jobus Rum wrote:
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Havoc wrote:
Mike Tomlin's coaching resume pre steelers is very thin.

A whopping 1 year as Vikings DC which was nothing to get excited about as far as I can tell.

Oh, I'm completely with you!

...but there are a TON of Tomlin apologists on "board" for this ride...

it's just about knowing the audience... ;)

Ehhh...I wouldn’t say a ton. Just a very loud minority, including a handful that will come charging in on their white stallion to defend his honor at the slightest hint of criticism. :lol:

It's the close ties that this "un-silent minority" have with the folks that run this website that I'm concerning myself with...

...and did you seriously use the term "white" stallion?!

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 Post subject: Re: We have a lot of versatile guys
PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:10 am 
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Havoc wrote:
Steeledge wrote:
Kodiak wrote:
I remember the last time Tomlin talked about versatility.....it seems that was forgettable.

Yeah, but that was all about the OL, something which Tomlin, as a coach and a player, knew (knows) very little about...

...his OC at the time offered almost no help in that regard, too...

One would hope it's a different story on the defensive side of the ball...
I mean, he IS a former DC with an impressive pre-Steelers resume, but that was a dozen years ago, so we shall see...


Mike Tomlin's coaching resume pre steelers is very thin.

A whopping 1 year as Vikings DC which was nothing to get excited about as far as I can tell.


He has more football experience as an offensive guy since he played WR growing up (at least in college so I assume he did so in HS and maybe before hand) then a couple of years as a secondary coach with Tampa and 1 season as a DC in Minn. He should really be more of an offensive mind than a defensive mind. NFL is weird like that though. Brian Billick is a prime example his being hired in Baltimore was due to his O putting up insane #'s in Minn and then in Baltimore the D carried the team his entire tenure.


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