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 Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:45 pm |
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If DeCastro was still on the board around 15-16, I wouldn't be opposed at all to see the Steelers do a Polamalu-like trade up for him (our 1, 3, and a 6). If the Steelers were evaluating him as a Pro Bowl guard, sure, why not? Put him beside Pouncey for 10 years and turn our IOL play from a weakness into a strength in the second half our our franchise QB's career.
I understand the argument about the value of guard and the depth of the position in this draft, but a great player is a great player regardless of positional depth in a draft or some value argument. If DeCastro ends up being a Pouncey-like talent at either LG or RG (and I personally believe he has that ability), that's a great trade because you're more likely to have drafted a Kraig Urbik or a Keenan Lewis with that extra top 100 pick you gave up for a Pro Bowler than you are to have found another Mike Wallace.
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Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 9:54 pm |
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SteelPerch wrote: I really don't know what people are seeing in Chandler Jones. He has risen more than anyone since the season ended. This is a guy who never stood out in any game I watched him. The stats say he's capable of putting up 10 sacks total in 3 years against Big East competition. His combine wasn't anything special, and he's not very explosive, overpowering, or agile as a pass rusher. Can somebody explain his meteoric rise??? McShay and Mayock have been swinging from his nuts lately, I just can't see why. i put up a long post a month or so ago about why i thought Jones was the best DE in this class after i picked him up with my vikes in the first draft, but i can't find it. basically comes down to his production, tape, quickness measurables, frame, explosiveness measurables, age, and what i call 'career trajectory'. production: as a senior, he was on pace (had he played 13 games) for something like 8.5 sacks, 14 TFL, 70 tackles. not mindblowing, but good enough to get a gold star for the category. quickness measurables: 4.38 shuttle and 7.07 three cone for a guy at 270ish is nice; good change of direction which maybe is something you want from a guy looping around an OT en route to a QB. frame: 6'5", but THOSE ARMS! 35.5ers. PLATINUM STAR! explosiveness measurables: kei basically. 35.5" vertical, and managed 22 reps despite those ridiculous arms. i red flag any pass rusher that can't put up at least 35, but there were only a few this year that could manage even that. tape: uses his arms well to keep off blockers; actually manages to stand up against double teams pretty well. age: not a true junior, but would be a young senior. leaves plenty of room/time for growth and upside. 'career trajectory': basically, 1.5 sacks at age 19, 4.0 at age 20, pace for 8.5 at age 21. project to age 22? 23? 24? 25? yeah. basically, come for the arms, stay because he's solid to strong everywhere else on your checklist. but as colbert describes most 1st rounders this year, it's more an effort in projection than it is in rating him based on what's already been shown on tape.
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Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 10:02 pm |
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SteelDrama wrote: Mayock's top 100:
5. Matt Kalil, OT, Southern California
9. Chandler Jones, DE, Syracuse
48. Josh Robinson, CB, Central Florida
57. A.J. Jenkins, WR, Illinois
94. Frank Alexander, DE, Oklahoma
96. Donald Stephenson, OT, Oklahoma
97. Ryan Broyles, WR, Oklahoma my vikings class from mock 1: mick fadden wrote: vikings added...10 players? huh.
(1) Matt Kalil, OT, USC. One of the few elite prospects in this class. Just can't pass it up.
(2) Josh Robinson, CB, UCF. Coming out as a true junior, was a bit of a dream for the vikes here. Great ball skills, led all CBs in this class in passes defended over the last year, and last two years, physical run defender with a solid NFL build, two time all conference, fastest player at the combine and arguably the most athletic.
(3) Chandler Jones, DE, Syracuse. I like the current depth chart at DE, but crazy BPA opportunity on a guy that fits our system. Suffice to say this guy won't be available for the Vikes at this point in the draft in reality.
(4a) AJ Jenkins, WR, Illinois. There was a lot of good value at WR on the board at this point; I don't like the WRs at the top of this class, but I love the depth through the middle. Teams in need of help at WR would do well to show some patience before going into shopping spree mode this year if the draft falls anything like it did for us.
(4b) Ryan Broyles, WR, Oklahoma. See 4a.
(4c) Justin Bethel, S, Presbyterian. Plenty of people around here can talk up Bethel if you are interested. Pretty decent safety prospect to me.
(5) Ronnie Hillman, RB, San Diego St.
(6) Donald Stephenson, OT, Oklahoma. Workout warrior? Led all Olinemen at the combine in vertical by like 5 inches....at 314 pounds. Nice long arms as well.
(7a) Chandler Harnish, QB, NIU. Anyone suggest any late round QBs that would make sense to take a flyer on as guys with 'franchise QB' upside? What I saw available after the top 6 or so was (A) guys with crap arms (B) short dudes (C) guys who were bad at playing QB in college.
(7b) Frank Alexander, DE, Oklahoma. apparently mayock and i aren't that far apart in our evaluations:/
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 12:02 am |
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Quote: 33. David Wilson, RB, Virginia Tech- I'm trying to picture a fan being excited about this being the first pick of R2, if it's their team... 150 broken tackles 1000 yards after contact Both led college football last season.
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 10:01 am |
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Quote: If DeCastro was still on the board around 15-16, I wouldn't be opposed at all to see the Steelers do a Polamalu-like trade up for him (our 1, 3, and a 6). If the Steelers were evaluating him as a Pro Bowl guard, sure, why not? When was the last time the Steelers moved up in the draft to acquire a player who is pretty much assured of making zero "splash plays" throughout their career? Quote: Think about the difference Alan Faneca and Steve Hutchison made for their offenses over a 10 year span. I see Decastro making that kind of impact. A great guard can make a good RB very productive and help keep the QB clean. Where was Alan Faneca drafted? Did the Steelers trade up for him? Alan Faneca was drafted at #26, and the Steelers didn't trade up for him. Hutchinson was drafted at #17 with Seattle's 2nd pick. If DeCastro is there at 1.24- the Steelers will almost certainly take him. I just think the chance of that event happening is nil, and I think the chance of the steelers moving up more than 1-4 slots to get him is nil. There are too many needs this year.
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 10:03 am |
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FC wrote: Quote: 33. David Wilson, RB, Virginia Tech- I'm trying to picture a fan being excited about this being the first pick of R2, if it's their team... 150 broken tackles 1000 yards after contact Both led college football last season. Fair enough. If the Steelers, given what we know about their RB situation, drafted Wilson in the 2nd with James available, I have to trust James' character issues were just insurmountable... Wilson is a potential feature back, so that's good info to know.
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 10:09 am |
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Both thing amazed me Jones...I'm glad you realized I was not being a dick
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 10:11 am |
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It's a discussion... You have to be pretty ignorant or disrespectful before I'm calling you (or anyone else) a dick. Silently or otherwise. I don't know everything, I do have the occasional opinion. 
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