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Steelafan77
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 Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 9:59 pm |
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 1:21 am |
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I would be heart broken. The guy looks to be soft and is a finesse player. Haven't we had enough of that in the past 5 years? If you read Buntings bio on Martin he himself talks badly about the player. Says he isn't strong, doesn't have much anchor, doesn't play heavy handed, doesn't move well to make blocks in space. Brings up the fact that he protected Luck's blindside but hell, if you are running a quick 3 step offense that is nothing compared to having to protect Ben's blindside. To me Martin should not go in round 1 and if I were the Steelers I would not draft him until the end of round 3. It just seems real easy for outsiders to say well they need a T and need an ILB so they automatically grab Martin, Adams or Hightower. I just don't think it will be that clear cut or obvious. They may go for a CB or S and surprise us all.
I would hope that the Steelers at the very least start drafting offensive lineman that are at least dominant or very good at SOMETHING. It just seems like we have had so many guards and tackles that can't really say they are good/great at ANYTHING. To have a guard come in and be a very good at getting movement in the run game would be great, or to actually be able to pull and do damage against LBers. I saw Kemo so many times pull but have trouble breaking down and eliminating defenders on contact. Or it would be great to finally have a tackle who can handle speed and quickness on the edge. As it is we have had a bunch of players that are neither fish nor fowl, not very good at either run blocking or pass protection, with the exception of Pouncey of course.
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Steelafan77
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 11:10 am |
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I understand where you're coming from scrunge. Bunting selected Martin there IMO because the over whelming need for a decent OLineman on this team. (Usually draft OT over OG and especially when the draft is as deep with OG as this years is) You have to admit Martin would be the better option over Colon. Gilbert is an unproven at LT. Gilbert is in the least serviceable at RT. So with all that said your telling me your prepared to go into the season with an injury prone RT [size of a guard, brain of a rock] that hasn't played any signifigant snaps in about 2 years and an unproven [at LT] second year OT transitioning from RT over to LT? Seems like a big risk considering the depth at OT this team currently possesses. We already know our current OLine status is not working out, period. To me, Martin more than likely works out. Yeah, he doesn't wow you or jump off the page at you. Otherwise Martin wouldn't even be in any discussion about going to the Steelers at 24. Martin would be presumed gone by the time we pick. To not address the OLine until the 3rd RND to me is going to cost you going forward. Maybe it all unfolds well and this was just mock draft talk we can all look back on one day and laugh. Martin isn't the first on the list believe me but if he's available and I'm Colbert & Co, I seriously consider Martin as the pick @ 24. And just for the record I believe you aren't guaranteed a pro bowler even when picking at 24 but if that player can [signifigantly] upgrade a position of need I draft him without Hesitation. JMO
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 12:50 pm |
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there's so much talent from Round 3 onward
LG is the #1 need. LT is, at best 4 or 5 on the list, after nickel CB, WR, ILB, NT. At least there's a presumptive starter you can try to go to war with.
I think they'll choose a mobile LG and a developmental LT. If they find a guy who is both, that's the equivalent of hitting the jackpot. Who are those guys? I know they're not the first round guys. They're James Brown, Jeff Allen, James Carmon, maybe Donald Stephenson, maybe Osemele. Three of those guys are going to be around for the Steelers pick in the 3rd round.
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 3:12 pm |
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I like Stephenson for LT.
Osemele a mobile LG????
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 3:40 pm |
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Osemele I included just because it seems like he could play OT and OG... But a better guy to include in the conversation would be Mitchell Schwartz.
Stephenson, provided they think he can play LT someday... He's the perfect choice. He can earn a hat whether he starts or not... Can back up all 5 positions. He has long arms and he seems to have good feet.
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 4:17 pm |
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I like Moseley from Auburn in the 4th, Zeitler in the first, or Osemele, Washington , or Brooks in the 2nd.
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 9:47 pm |
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I read an article over on ProFootball Weekly about the 2008 offensive tackle class. That was the one where 8 tackles were taken in the first round.
You had Jake Long, Ryan Clady, Chris Williams, Branden Albert, Gosder Cherilous, Jeff Otah, Sam Baker and Duane Brown all taken in the first 26 picks of the first round.
Long, Clady and Brown have all lived up to the hype and the others are busts or semi-busts who can't stay healthy.
This year I see Kalil and Reily Rieff as being legitimate 1st rounders as left tackles, and I see Cordy Glenn as a legitimate 1st rounder as a right tackle. Martin is a pretender and is not a 1st rounder in my estimation. Martin is going to be pushed into round 1 the way Sam Baker was and some team is going to be disappointed. I don't want my Steelers to be that team.
Steelafan77, I agree that going into the season depending on Colon to stay healthy is a dicey proposition. But if I am going to draft a tackle thinking to backup or replace Colon then I would just draft Bobby Massie at 24. I think Massie has more potential as a RT then Martin does. Martin is soft and is never going to be a nasty run blocking type RT and from the scouting reports that I have read some question his athleticism to be a left tackle. If a tackle prospect is going to be pushed up into the 1st round like Sam Baker, then why not Massie instead of Martin and Adams?
Also, the Steelers could very well get a tackle prospect if they waited until round 2 regardless. Perhaps they go tackle in round 2, guard in round 3?
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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 1:08 am |
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Not that I dislike Massie but... he's not first RND material and definately less talented than Martin. I do believe that Mayock does the analysis here. I usually don't believe everything I read either. But I'll take Mike's word for it here. Massie later in the draft Martin 1st-2nd RND OT. JMO Quote: Massie is a massive offensive tackle who was nearly a three-year starter for Ole Miss and chose to forgo his last year of eligibility. He is four years removed from high school after a year at the renowned Hargrave Military Academy. Massie was not a standout player in college and will have to find the right opportunity to land a spot on a roster as a rookie; he could get drafted late to a team with a need. Strengths Size is Massie's best friend, as he was able to excel as a blocker in the run game simply from being able to maul his man and control from his girth. He rarely got blown back by defensive linemen in college and has a strong anchor that he sits nicely in after his pass set. He is more of a react-and-catch blocker who gets away with this technique solely because of his leg strength. He has decent range in his pass set and controls his man once engaged. Weaknesses Massie is not a very dynamic athlete and is a slow-footed mover. He is not a natural bender and is rigid in many of his movements. He labors to work to the second level and and struggles when sifting through traffic to engage his man. He relies on catching his man as a blocker in pass protection and will get in trouble with that technique at the next level. http://m.nfl.com/combine/profile/2533543/bobby-massie/Quote: Jonathan is one of two tackle prospects in this year's class that could be considered elite, and given the value of the position will be a likely first-round pick because of it. He embodied all that Stanford football was throughout his time there, as he is an aggressive, smart, technically sound prospect who will enter the league at a stage in his development where he should be able to contribute immediately. Strengths Martin has prototypical starting skills for the tackle position. He missed just two games in his career and is extremely tough. He carries his weight well and is one of the most technically sound prospects in the draft. He has a smooth, efficient pass set that allows him to get a solid base and work from a balanced state. He is powerful and aggressive against the run and a very good foot athlete at his size. Martin was the anchor of a very polished offensive line and is simply an NFL-ready tackle who possesses all the traits. Weaknesses Martin has a tendency to pop upright on contact and get slightly off balance, usually when slanting in the run game. He isn't a real powerful or violent puncher, and at times his punches will slow his feet and he can get caught off guard. He isn't a quick-twitched mover off the snap and could have some issues against the league's best speed rushers. http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/jon ... id=2533041 To me this says Martin is a very good prospect at RT with the capability to play LT. _________________ Honor the Fallen. http://www.militarytimes.com/valor/
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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 3:04 am |
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If Jon Martin is available at 1.24 the Steelers will do a back flip while running the pick up to the podium. No brainer as the man you groom to protect Ben for the duration of his career IMHO.
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