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 Post Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 6:35 am 
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The nurses didn't immediately come out of the hospital and interject. Hence the cop wouldn't immediately know that their excuse was legit. Think about it.


But when they did, and even another cop, he still didn't let him go until he completed a background search for warrants and wrote out the ticket. Unless its one of those, "I've already made an ass out of myself and if I dont keep going i'll look weak" type situations, I don't understand your logic at all. I would argue the other people going into the hospital shouting "my mom is dying" while he has his gun drawn is a good indication of where they were headed as well.

And if they were lying to him, its not like they're fugitives, they rolled threw a red light. Its not like, oh no, now they're loose on the streets to run as many red lights as they can. How could you let them get away?!


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 Post Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 7:15 am 
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Pure abuse of power. One of my favorite such stories is:

Couple Arrested For Asking For Directions


BALTIMORE -- Baltimore City police arrested a Virginia couple over the weekend after they asked an officer for directions.

WBAL-TV 11 News I-Team reporter David Collins said Joshua Kelly and Llara Brook, of Chantilly, Va., got lost leaving an Orioles game on Saturday. Collins reported a city officer arrested them for trespassing on a public street while they were asking for directions .

"In jail for eight hours -- sleeping on a concrete floor next to a toilet," Kelly said.

"It was a nightmare," Brook said. "I was in there thinking I was just dreaming and waiting to wake up."

Collins reported it was a nightmare ending to a nearly perfect day. He said the couple went to a company picnic and watched the Orioles beat Kansas City. It was their first trip to Camden Yards and asked two people for directions to Interstate 95 South when they left.

Collins said somehow they ended up in the Cherry Hill section of south Baltimore. Hopelessly lost, relief melted away concerns after they spotted a police vehicle.

"I said, 'Thank goodness, could you please get us to 95?" Kelly said.

"The first thing that she said to us was no -- you just ran that stop sign, pull over," Brook said. "It wasn't a big deal. We'll pay the stop sign violation, but can we have directions?"

"What she said was 'You found your own way in here, you can find your own way out.'" Kelly said.

Collins said the couple spotted another police vehicle and flagged that officer down for directions. But Officer Natalie Preston, a six-year veteran of the force, intervened.

"That really threw us for a loop when she stepped in between our cars," Kelly said. "(She) said my partner is not going to step in front of me and tell you directions if I'm not."

Collins reported the circumstances got worse. Kelly pulled 40 feet forward parking next to a curb and put his flashers on while Brook was on the phone to her father hoping he could help her with directions. Both her parents are police officers in the Harrisburg, Pa., area.

"(Brook's father) was in the middle of giving us directions when the officer screeched up behind us and got out of the car and asked me to step out. I obeyed," Kelly said. "I obeyed everything -- stepped out of the car, put my hands behind my back, and the next thing I know, I was getting arrested for trespassing."

"By this time, I was completely in tears," Brook said. "I said, 'Ma'am, you know, we just need your help. We are not trying to cause you any trouble. I'm not leaving him here.' What she did was walk over to my side of the car and said, 'Ok, we are taking you downtown, too.'"

Collins said the couple was released from jail without being charged with anything. Brook is now concerned the arrest may complicate a criminal background check she's going through in her job as a child care worker.

Collins said police left Kelly's car unlocked and the windows down at the impound lot. He reported a cell phone charger, pair of sunglasses and 20 CDs were stolen.

http://www.wbaltv.com/news/9229472/detail.html

Abuse of power doesn't get much worse than this.

(corrected "better" to "worse". just makes more sense...)

I keep reading she-cop all over this one.
Not surprising this wo-MAN thought she had something to prove, especially when "the accused" tried to get other (probably men) officers involved.
Trespassing on a public street?!? :roll:
Was this a pair of women officers, or was this actually a beat cop-ette wandering solo in the streets of South Baltimore?!?
If it's the latter, she must really be one tough uber-bitch, which explains a lot...
doesn't make it right, though, and she should have had her ass handed to her, too.

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 Post subject: Re: He should be fired.
 Post Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 7:28 am 
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The nurses didn't immediately come out of the hospital and interject. Hence the cop wouldn't immediately know that their excuse was legit. Think about it.


But when they did, and even another cop, he still didn't let him go until he completed a background search for warrants and wrote out the ticket. Unless its one of those, "I've already made an ass out of myself and if I dont keep going i'll look weak" type situations, I don't understand your logic at all. I would argue the other people going into the hospital shouting "my mom is dying" while he has his gun drawn is a good indication of where they were headed as well.

And if they were lying to him, its not like they're fugitives, they rolled threw a red light. Its not like, oh no, now they're loose on the streets to run as many red lights as they can. How could you let them get away?!


No doubt. This is a common occurrence in the Dallas area. The police are some of the worse in the country. The funny thing was that the officer followed them from Dallas to freaking Plano. Plano is pretty much two cities north of Dallas. If the guy didn't pull over for you until he got to the hospital and then people are trying their best to get inside while he's telling you his mother-in-law is dying. Common sense should tell you that maybe, just maybe, he might be telling the truth. Even the Plano officer who showed up told the Dallas officer that he should really let him go and that he was wrong in what he was doing.

The news showed a pic of the officer and he looked like a smug punk kid playing cop.


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 Post subject: Re: He should be fired.
 Post Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 8:09 am 
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I'm thinking that when I, as a citizen, authorized police officers to carry a gun, I was not imagining that a trainer officer would pull his gun in the course of pulling a guy over for "running" a red light where there were no other vehicles or pedestrians present, in the middle of the night, on the way to the hospital.

If that isn't putting lives at risk for something so meaningless, then what is? Besides, how many cops do you know who would have waited for that light to change?

Police fail to realize that about 90% of the negative vibes they create are strictly reaction to the way they conduct themselves on the street and in interactions with traffic stops. My personal two favorites are: cops who break the same traffic laws they pulled you over for (speeding, illegal U Turns, running red light) and those who park in tow zones/handicapped spots, unpaid meters. It's a great country.

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 Post subject: Re: He should be fired.
 Post Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 8:25 am 
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Eh I think the cop needed to pull his gun. It's late at night, he puts on his lights and the guy doesn't immediately pull over and when the guy does pull over everyone immediately gets out of the car. How is he supposed to know what's going on? Dude has to protect himself and he needs to be prepared for the worst. After all it is his life on the line, not the monday morning QBs out there.

Now once everyone started yelling "My mother is dying" he should have been able to figure out that since he had pulled the people over in a hospital they weren't screwing with him and he should have let them go.

I don't think the dude should be fired. He needs an attitude adjustment and a public flogging like this will almost definitely bring the power trip this guy has down a notch. I guarantee this wasn't the first time this guy got out of line.


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 Post subject: Re: He should be fired.
 Post Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 8:45 am 
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I guarantee this wasn't the first time this guy got out of line.


Which is why he should be fired.

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 Post subject: Re: He should be fired.
 Post Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 9:13 am 
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Eh I think the cop needed to pull his gun. It's late at night, he puts on his lights and the guy doesn't immediately pull over and when the guy does pull over everyone immediately gets out of the car.


What's the one safety rule that is preached to everybody being pulled over. If you feel unsafe, go to a public, lighted place and then pull over. Moats obviously didn't go to the hospital because of that, but the cop didn't know that. For a car to not immediately pull over in the "wee" hours of the morning is prudent for anyone in any circumstance.

Going to the hospital for the traffic stop should have lowered the cop's perceived threat from the vehicle, not raised it.


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 Post subject: Re: He should be fired.
 Post Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 9:42 am 
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Eh I think the cop needed to pull his gun. It's late at night, he puts on his lights and the guy doesn't immediately pull over and when the guy does pull over everyone immediately gets out of the car. How is he supposed to know what's going on? .


Did you even see the video post on any of the news sites or even here? It's not like they were pulled over at an intersection or at a stop sign. The guy stopped his car at the emergency room entrance and "everyone that jumped out" were his wife and kids and other relatives that went directly into the emergency room. Moats was yelling at him because his mother-in-law was about to die and this guy decided he had needed to have a pissing match w/ Moats to show him who was boss.

Justify it all you want but the guy was a prick. I've dealt w/ officers like him before. The motto "To Protect and Serve" are just a stickered emblem on the squad car. They really only want the gun and badge so that they can tell others what to do and feel the power in doing so.

And as a side note, I know not all officers are like that. My uncle and cousins are both police officers and there are guys that they say should not even have a badge much less a gun.


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 Post subject: Re: He should be fired.
 Post Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 9:51 am 
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Yes I watched the videos.

I still think 3 people jumping out of the car as soon as everyone came to a complete stop startled the cop, regardless of where they were, and I don't think him drawing his gun was that big a deal. He expected them to stay in the car and wait for him to address them. Not a bunch of people to get out of the car screaming at him. A motorist can pull his gun in a parking lot just as easily as on the side of a road.

And like I said where he went wrong was his assholish behavior after he put the gun away. As soon as the people in the car said the mother in law was about to die is when the cop should have stopped what he was doing and come to his senses and let everyone go. If he wanted to make sure they weren't feeding him a line of BS, he could have gone into the hospital with them.


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 Post subject: Re: He should be fired.
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What's the one safety rule that is preached to everybody being pulled over. If you feel unsafe, go to a public, lighted place and then pull over.


In Cambria and Somerset counties currently there are several incidents under investigation were women have been pulled over and assaulted by a man in an unmarked car with blue light. Once again that is not the case here. However my wife and children know if in a remote area and a cop wants to pull you over put your four ways on and drive at a safe speed to the nearest populated place and then pull over. In the Dallas area I guess that is not even safe to do.

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