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 Post Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 1:10 pm 
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I actually heard the complete story from my dad on the 4th of July.

I will not share it...I have no proof....I will not soil someones memory for no reason.

I actually hold some media guys in high esteem

Jack Fleming
Myron
Bill Hillgrove
Hell I really like Stan Savran

When I close my eyes Jack Fleming and Myron Cope call Steelers games in my mind. I am sure you hear the gunner to this day....Which is awesome.


Thanks, FC, I appreciate that. I have to tell you that you are right about how I hear Buccos games, I can still hear him in my mind, and like you, I also hear Steelers games called by Cope and Fleming.

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 Post Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 5:47 pm 
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I found out why many and I mean many people hated the Gunner...It's not a story I would like to share in a public forum.

It's toxic and it will offend some of the older posters at the board.

Goes way beyond getting drunk and hitting a street sweeper or trying to falsely sue the city.


Unless he was a pedophile, I can't imagine being offended by anything Prince may have done off the air.

He was a great announcer for the Bucs. He was a homer through and through. But I couldn't care less if somebody hated him off the air. I'm sure he had a huge ego. From what I've read, he had to be the life of the party.

Who cares what he did outside of Forbes Field or 3 Rivers? Not me. He loved the game. He loved the Pirates. He was almost as important to the fans as any player of the era.


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 Post Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 9:10 pm 
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My uncle and brother worked for the Pirates back in those days... they liked Prince.

As for listening, there will never be ANYTHING to replace the Gunner calling a baseball game. I dig Harwell and old man Buck and those dudes... but Bob Prince *was* baseball announcing. The criticism he got was exactly what squares have done since the beginning of time to bland out everything... I mean, look where we are now? What Prince did was create an identity for himself and the broadcasts and the team. He personalized games in a way that made them matter more than anything else going on that day/night. I really, truly miss that. Milo Hamilton is a Hall of Famer who just plain blew chunks trying to follow the Gunner. He sounded like what he was: an import from some other place where they just don't get it.

I never really enjoyed Fleming... give me Hillgrove and Cope any day and twice on Sunday.

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 Post Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 9:23 pm 
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I actually liked Milo Hamilton.

I thought he and Lanny Frattare made a great team.

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Wow. I could never stand Milo Hamilton and I wasn't a fan of Lanny either, but I think my view was colored by the fact that they could never replace The Gunner for me. Lanny stuck and therefore he grew on me and I grew to like him, though I never thought he was really all that good. I respected him for his longevity with the club though. I hated fucking Milo Hamilton, to be honest with you. He had no balls.

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 Post Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 5:19 am 
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My uncle and brother worked for the Pirates back in those days... they liked Prince.

As for listening, there will never be ANYTHING to replace the Gunner calling a baseball game. I dig Harwell and old man Buck and those dudes... but Bob Prince *was* baseball announcing. The criticism he got was exactly what squares have done since the beginning of time to bland out everything... I mean, look where we are now? What Prince did was create an identity for himself and the broadcasts and the team. He personalized games in a way that made them matter more than anything else going on that day/night. I really, truly miss that. Milo Hamilton is a Hall of Famer who just plain blew chunks trying to follow the Gunner. He sounded like what he was: an import from some other place where they just don't get it.

I never really enjoyed Fleming... give me Hillgrove and Cope any day and twice on Sunday.


B2B, great post, and perfectly captured how I feel about the Gunner and Pirates Baseball broadcasting, particularly the portion of your post that I made bold.

I feel badly for fans who only started listening to Buccos broadcasts in the middle 70s or later. Other than brief recordings they'll never really fully get how much The Gunner meant to those of us who grew up with him in the 50s, 60s and early 70s.

About Myron, I liked Fleming better, but Hillgrove and Myron were very good as well. I actually liked The Possum, Jim Woods, a bit better than Nellie King, but I warmed right up to King as well when he took over for Woods in the late 60s. Because it was The Gunner that made those broadcasts. Just as Myron made those he was part of. The other guy almost didn't matter that much.

I warmed up to Lanny for his duration with the club and he was a bit of a homer in his own right and developed some of his own catch phrases and had some nicknames for some players once in a while. He made himself distinctive, when I first saw him as cookie cutter, and I eventually came to respect him for that. He wasn't the one who fired the Gunner.

The current crew is pretty bad. Blass, Rock and Walker are the only guys I like even a bit, and only because they used to play the game and have some relevant insights at times. And anyone who watches now, am I the only one who thinks that Blass only thinly veils his disdain for Greg Brown?

The Gunner was one of a kind, though in his generation there were many who were individualists like him, but there was only one Gunner.

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 Post Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 5:55 am 
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A guy I can't stand is Charlie Slowes of the Nationals. I literally have to immediately change the station if I hear his voice.

Skip ahead in this video to hear his real voice from 2:57-3:26. Compare that to his fake voice at 3:40.



Really hits my eardrums in a negative way.


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 Post Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 6:48 am 
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Wow. I could never stand Milo Hamilton and I wasn't a fan of Lanny either, but I think my view was colored by the fact that they could never replace The Gunner for me. Lanny stuck and therefore he grew on me and I grew to like him, though I never thought he was really all that good. I respected him for his longevity with the club though. I hated fucking Milo Hamilton, to be honest with you. He had no balls.


Well, I barely remember the Gunner in person.

Loved him, mind you, but was too young to get super broken up over his dismissal.

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