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steelersin09
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 5:58 pm |
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Suwanee88 wrote: My All time 25 man roster and starting line up - some will be controversial but I am talking players in their primes.
Starting Lineup: LF Barry Bonds SS Honus Wagner CF Paul Waner 1B Willie Stargell RF Roberto Clemente 3B Pie Traynor 2B Rennie Stennett C Jason Kendall P
Bench: 1B/OF Ralph Kiner C Manny Sanguillen IF Bill Mazeroski IF Arky Vaughn OF Dave Parker
Starting Pitchers: Vernon Law John Candelaria Doug Drabek Bert Blyleven Bob Veale
Relief: Jim Bibby - long relief/spot starter Dave Guisti Roy Face Grant Jackson Rod Scurry (best curveball I have ever seen) Goose Gossage Kent Tekulve Nice list, Suwanee. Pirates have been so damn strong in the outfield throughout the years. I might have to find room for Al Oliver (maybe drop one of the relievers). Clemente #1 overall Maz over Rennie, easily. Sangy over Kendall. p.s. The only thing missing from your list is some obscure players that performed brilliantly in blizzards or monsoons.
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Hacksaw Jim Duggan
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 7:00 pm |
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FortyThree wrote: Hacksaw Jim Duggan wrote: FortyThree wrote: I don't care how hard he played, Dave Parker was not as good of a player as Barry Bonds. No way.
As for Jones, I won't disagree that you can make the argument for him on the list. But to me, the fact that he only hits righties, can't play defense at any position, and isn't a consistent hitter overwhelm his minor accomplishments.
EDIT: As for Zach Duke, I realize he probably shouldn't be there but I felt like it was down to Duke and Perez. They both had one good year, but Duke was more consistent. I also considered Kipp Wells. James McDonald would make the list if he had more time being successful. So...again... Zach Duke is your 10th best Pirate? Kip* Wells. As soon as I saw that you posted in this thread I knew it was in response to me. I guess we'll go through this stage were you go after me every chance you get because I called you out for suggesting the Penguins might trade Fleury and start a 35-year-old. Stick to baseball threads. I posted yesterday (before my thread was made) that your pick of Duke was retarded. (Didn't fact check -10 pts.) I'm sorry I missed the part where you answered my question. That tends to happen a lot when I make a fool out of you....which also happens a lot. For a guy who talks up his mediocre writing littered with cheesy cliches, you sure do miss out on reading comprehension...a large part of the journalism field. (-20 pts.) If a trade of Fleury is made...(which I said was probably not likely in the thread itself and that it was a wake-up call...legit statement)...I bet *SHOCK* the Penguins would find a solution to their goaltending woes within the next few years while using Vokoun as a stop-gap (most extreme scenario). Starting a 35 year old goaltender? WHO WOULD DO SUCH A THING? Some 2011-12 starting goaltenders ages entering the season 1. Tomas Vokoun (34) - Capitals 2. Martin Brodeur (40) - Devils 3. Nikolai Khabibulin (39) - Oilers 4. Jose Theodore (34) - Panthers 5. Nicklaus Backstrom (33) - Wild 6. Dwayne Roloson (42) - Lightning 7. Tim Thomas (38) - Bruins Do you not realize that goalies can be effective well into their 30s? (no research -20 pts) "Stick to baseball threads" ... (plagiarism - 50 pts) oh did you say that because I hurt your feelings months ago by saying the same thing to you? Awwww..poor baby....the irony! Stick to eating doughnuts, fatty...because you have and will never provide an original thought when it comes to sports
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FortyThree
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 7:05 pm |
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Hacksaw Jim Duggan wrote: FortyThree wrote: Hacksaw Jim Duggan wrote: FortyThree wrote: I don't care how hard he played, Dave Parker was not as good of a player as Barry Bonds. No way.
As for Jones, I won't disagree that you can make the argument for him on the list. But to me, the fact that he only hits righties, can't play defense at any position, and isn't a consistent hitter overwhelm his minor accomplishments.
EDIT: As for Zach Duke, I realize he probably shouldn't be there but I felt like it was down to Duke and Perez. They both had one good year, but Duke was more consistent. I also considered Kipp Wells. James McDonald would make the list if he had more time being successful. So...again... Zach Duke is your 10th best Pirate? Kip* Wells. As soon as I saw that you posted in this thread I knew it was in response to me. I guess we'll go through this stage were you go after me every chance you get because I called you out for suggesting the Penguins might trade Fleury and start a 35-year-old. Stick to baseball threads. I'm sorry I missed the part where you answered my question. That tends to happen a lot when I make a fool out of you....which also happens a lot. For a guy who talks up his mediocre writing littered with cheesy cliches, you sure do miss out on reading comprehension...a large part of the journalism field. If a trade of Fleury is made...(which I said was probably not likely in the thread itself and that it was a wake-up call...legit statement)...I bet *SHOCK* the Penguins would find a solution to their goaltending woes within the next few years. Starting a 35 year old goaltender? WHO WOULD DO SUCH A THING? Some 2011-12 starting goaltenders ages entering the season 1. Tomas Vokoun (34) - Capitals 2. Martin Brodeur (40) - Devils 3. Nikolai Khabibulin (39) - Oilers 4. Jose Theodore (34) - Panthers 5. Nicklaus Backstrom (33) - Wild 6. Dwayne Roloson (42) - Lightning 7. Tim Thomas (38) - Bruins Do you not realize that goalies can be effective well into their 30s? "Stick to baseball threads" ... oh did you say that because I hurt your feelings months ago by saying the same thing to you? Awwww..poor baby....the irony! Stick to eating doughnuts, fatty...because you have and will never provide an original thought when it comes to sports  Someone's butthurt.
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Hacksaw Jim Duggan
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 7:06 pm |
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Another intelligent, original response.
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:12 pm |
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FortyThree wrote: I don't care how hard he played, Dave Parker was not as good of a player as Barry Bonds. No way.
As for Jones, I won't disagree that you can make the argument for him on the list. But to me, the fact that he only hits righties, can't play defense at any position, and isn't a consistent hitter overwhelm his minor accomplishments.
EDIT: As for Zach Duke, I realize he probably shouldn't be there but I felt like it was down to Duke and Perez. They both had one good year, but Duke was more consistent. I also considered Kipp Wells. James McDonald would make the list if he had more time being successful. Barry Bonds is the Jerome Bettis of Major League Baseball. Dude could rake with or without steroids in the regular season. He did FUCK ALL in the playoffs. Bonds should have let the Pirates to at least one World Series. He didn't. He failed. And he gave the bird to Pittsburgh on his way to the land of fruits and nuts. Fuck him.
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Suwanee88
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 4:11 pm |
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Surprised you guys arent busting my balls about Rod Scurry.
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MeanJoeGreene75
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 4:29 pm |
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FortyThree wrote: I don't care how hard he played, Dave Parker was not as good of a player as Barry Bonds. No way.
I think if you stack up each players prime years as a Bucco, they are very, very comparable. I don't think one blows the other out of the ball park, coming at from both sides. From 1975-1980, Parker was the best position player in MLB. I think the same could be said of Bonds 1988-1992. During those stretches, Bonds won 2 NL MVP's, Parker 1. Parker won 2 batting titles. Bonds had way more speed. Both won 3 gold gloves during this span of each career. Both could hit with power, line drive and home run, and did so. Both scored runs about equally, Parker collected more hits along the way, both could drive in runs about equally. During this stretch, Parker hit for better average, generally. Parker was a true 5 tool player during this time. I might say Bonds was a 5 tool player, but his lack of arm strength might make him 4.5. Bonds had speed Parker could only dream of, though Parker was a threat to steal bases, not anywhere on par with Bonds. Conversely, though both won 3 Gold Gloves during this span, I watched both play and Bonds used his speed to get to balls, Parker was a better defensive player in my opinion, and had an arm that many, at the time, compared to Clemente. Of course he played RF, while Bonds played LF (or CF occasionally). I find them comparable, not one sided to Bonds at all. Not during this stretch of their careers when stacked up side by side. So when you have that, I look to intangibles. And that is where The Cobra starts on my team.
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:15 pm |
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I take Maholm and Mike Gonzalez over Duke any day.
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SteelPro
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 9:01 pm |
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shamtown wrote: I take Maholm and Mike Gonzalez over Duke any day. And I'd take Francisco Cordova over all three of them.
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 9:14 pm |
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SteelPro wrote: shamtown wrote: I take Maholm and Mike Gonzalez over Duke any day. And I'd take Francisco Cordova over all three of them. Nice, SteelPro! Cordova was a solid pitcher with the Buccos.
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