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MeanJoeGreene75
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 5:41 pm |
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Smizik, the very mention of the name is kind of like mentioning Tom Brady to a room full of rabid Black and Gold fans. Just to stir the conversation about a team I am hoping is ready for prime time next year. Quote: MLB free agency starts next week and at no time in the era of The Best Management Team in Baseball has there been a sharper public/media focus on what the Pirates need to do.
That hardly guarantees a level of urgency, since neither president/co-general manager Frank Coonelly nor general manager Neal Huntington ever has indicated they are concerned with what the public or media thinks. They move at their own pace, unencumbered by any need to put a winning team on the field and seemingly unworried about job security.
Coonelly spoke to the Altoona Curve Booster Club this week and put forth the usual company line:
``It's obviously disappointing the way the season ended, but our fans have been with us through thick and thin. They deserve a winner and we intend to give them a winner.''
He did not, according to the story, put a time frame on that promise or give any specifics on how the most wretched franchise in baseball will be turned into a winner.
Here's a suggestion toward reaching that goal: Spend some money.
If Coonelly and Huntington don't start spending some of owner Bob Nutting’s money this franchise is faced with the prospect of losing another generation of players. Call it Jason Kendall-disease. Players will only buy into a losing program for so long. And the longer the losing, the shorter the buy-in time.
Kendall, Brian Giles and Mike Williams couldn’t wait to get out of here and they were followed by Freddy Sanchez and Jack Wilson, who both professed love of team but both turned down market-value contracts to take their skills elsewhere. Another generation currently is one its way out, and Ryan Doumit and Paul Maholm are going gladly.
Next up: Andrew McCutchen and Neil Walker. They’re just pups, but they know the score. They have a pretty good idea that this franchise doesn’t mean business. They know MLB players are not expected to ``share the risk,’’ especially when the chance for a title is remote.
Hopefully, the BMTIB senses that time is running out on their charade. If they want McCutchen and Walker to buy into what they’re selling, they’ve got to do some buying.
As in players. A catcher, a first baseman, a pitcher or two. The team has gaping holes that were made obvious by the way it stumbled to the finish line last season.
Will it happen. I doubt it. Will they even try to make it happen. I doubt that, too. And if it doesn’t happen -- if the team opens another season with minor-leaguers on the roster -- the contagion of Jason Kendall-disease will spread and the franchise will sink even lower. http://communityvoices.sites.post-gazet ... cy-or-risk
_________________ Playing football was the greatest thing that ever happened to me. If I could go out today and suit up, I would do it.--Jack Butler
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MeanJoeGreene75
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 5:44 pm |
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I'll start. I'm all for Bob Nutting "nutting" up a little more cash in FA, but this blog post doesn't really say who we could afford, who we should go after, and what the "plan" should be. not that a fan critic needs to have those things in order; we aren't paid---Huntington and Coonelly are, and well.
I'll say this. The team needs to move forward in the standings...and now. However that happens.
_________________ Playing football was the greatest thing that ever happened to me. If I could go out today and suit up, I would do it.--Jack Butler
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FortyThree
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 5:45 pm |
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Didn't the Pirates do this during the Giles Era when they signed Reggie Sanders and Kenny Lofton?
They spent money and not only did they still suck, but they set the franchise back further because of it.
_________________ And then you take a good look around and they stole your rock n roll And once it's gone you'll never get it back
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MeanJoeGreene75
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 5:51 pm |
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I agree, but just to be the devil's advocate a little bit, couldn't they spend some cash more wisely? Maybe more wisely than Aki and Overbay even. The trick is not spending. The trick is knowing who to spend on and when. In that sense the article is a bit irresponsible, but again...fans are not being paid, we just express frustrations, joys, or whatever is the emotion of the moment.
I think...the Bucs are just going to be incremental about it and look within more than anything for progress. Bringing in a veteran slugger...not a has been but a now guy...would go a long way. Can the team afford it without going into debt? I don't know...the place was fucking buzzing this year. That shows me that if this team competes, fans will fill seats.
_________________ Playing football was the greatest thing that ever happened to me. If I could go out today and suit up, I would do it.--Jack Butler
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FortyThree
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 6:27 pm |
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They can spend cash wisely, they've already been doing that by using it in the draft and development of players.
The free agent market isn't great this year. Outside of Fielder and Pujols, and they pretty much don't exist when it comes to the Pirates.
_________________ And then you take a good look around and they stole your rock n roll And once it's gone you'll never get it back
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MeanJoeGreene75
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 7:00 pm |
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Everyone in the free world knows we won't/can't spend on top of the line FA's. No one else available?
Spending on the draft is great, and I'm one to applaud it, but it's a real iffy proposition. Very few prospects ever make it.
I knew you'd be here 43. Good man. Hope all is going well for you.
_________________ Playing football was the greatest thing that ever happened to me. If I could go out today and suit up, I would do it.--Jack Butler
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FortyThree
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:03 pm |
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MeanJoeGreene75 wrote: Everyone in the free world knows we won't/can't spend on top of the line FA's. No one else available?
Spending on the draft is great, and I'm one to applaud it, but it's a real iffy proposition. Very few prospects ever make it.
I knew you'd be here 43. Good man. Hope all is going well for you. Spending on the draft is the only real way for small market teams to build a competitor. They'll never be able to spend enough to bring in great players. They have to draft them.
_________________ And then you take a good look around and they stole your rock n roll And once it's gone you'll never get it back
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:13 pm |
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FortyThree wrote: Didn't the Pirates do this during the Giles Era when they signed Reggie Sanders and Kenny Lofton?
They spent money and not only did they still suck, but they set the franchise back further because of it. So tell me how signing Sanders and Kenny Lofton set the franchise back further? Sanders cost the Pirates 1,000,000. Lofton a few thousand more. Both provided the team with an offensive output that was pretty solid for the first part of the year. I missed the part where Sanders hit .285 with 31 HR and Lofton hit .277 in 84 games and was the first legit lead-off hitter they had in awhile. Now I will agree that signing pieces of shit players to high dollar amounts on the decline is a bad idea....something this management team has done on a consistent basis (Aki, Overbay, Church). That's just me talking though. Good players can be found in free agency that CAN be helpful to this team at a reasonable price. If the team still sucks, they can be traded for prospects. Minus relievers, Huntington has failed to deliver. Making stuff up to tow the company line isn't going to work here.
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MeanJoeGreene75
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Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 11:52 am |
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FortyThree wrote: MeanJoeGreene75 wrote: Everyone in the free world knows we won't/can't spend on top of the line FA's. No one else available?
Spending on the draft is great, and I'm one to applaud it, but it's a real iffy proposition. Very few prospects ever make it.
I knew you'd be here 43. Good man. Hope all is going well for you. Spending on the draft is the only real way for small market teams to build a competitor. They'll never be able to spend enough to bring in great players. They have to draft them. Primary way, yes. Only way? No. We need to expend...and spend...every resource in every available avenue. We need to do a better job in FA. Spending is not what it's all about, it's assessing and evaluating. And pulling the wallet trigger when it's been figured out. It hasn't been figured out very well over the past 4 years, FA wise. There is a great need there to be better.
_________________ Playing football was the greatest thing that ever happened to me. If I could go out today and suit up, I would do it.--Jack Butler
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Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 1:57 pm |
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I suppose the thinking is that if a small market team opens up the wallet in free agency that they are destined to purchase contracts of shitty FA's because the real prizes wouldn't want to go to the small market city anyway. So here's the list of 2012 FA's: http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2001/0 ... -2012.htmlJust avert your eyes from Fielder and Pujols because no way they're coming to Pittsburgh. Taking those two away, I'd say there's at least some FA's on this list who could significantly help the Pirates.
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